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The post birth abortion debate has started - SFLiberal - 02-24-2014 Is anyone really surprised that those that support abortion union demand at any time during a pregnancy are now talking about allowing post birth abortions? Quote:After-Birth Abortion RE: The post birth abortion debate has started - orygunluvr - 02-24-2014 What do you expect? More black babies aborted than born in New York and the leftists celebrate. They vow to push for more. RE: The post birth abortion debate has started - tvguy - 02-24-2014 Pretty much a straw man argument since what is proposed in the article has nothing to do with what the average right to choice person is thinking. But SF and OL both want to act as if this is how leftists or libs all think. BTW If I had a child who was born alive but didn't have a brain I would hope to hell I wouldn't HAVE to raise it. Which seems to me is what this article is about. RE: The post birth abortion debate has started - chuck white - 02-24-2014 I think we should have post birth aborted GW Bush RE: The post birth abortion debate has started - Prospero - 02-24-2014 (02-24-2014, 01:47 PM)chuck white Wrote: I think we should have post birth aborted GW Bush Retroactive abortion, an idea whose time has come. RE: The post birth abortion debate has started - orygunluvr - 02-24-2014 (02-24-2014, 12:02 PM)tvguy Wrote: Pretty much a straw man argument since what is proposed in the article has nothing to do with what the average right to choice person is thinking. If every child without a brain was aborted or euthanized you libbies wouldn't exist. RE: The post birth abortion debate has started - SFLiberal - 02-24-2014 (02-24-2014, 12:02 PM)tvguy Wrote: Pretty much a straw man argument since what is proposed in the article has nothing to do with what the average right to choice person is thinking. No it's not. You have people like MSNBC host Melissa Harris-Perry who has said that life begins when the parents feel like life begins, and Alisa Lapolt Snow, the lobbyist representing the Florida Alliance of Planned Parenthood Affiliates who has publicly said that a baby who survives a botched abortion the decision to care for that baby (yes, it is a human life at that point by even those that are pro-choice) belongs to the parents: “We believe that any decision that’s made should be left up to the woman, her family, and the physician. That decision should be between the patient and the health care provider." You also have progressive pro-choicers that advocate that post birth abortion should be allowed up to 2 years after birth, even for babies that are not disabled (Alberto Giubilini and Francesca Minerva, University of Melbourne paper). Then you have John Holdren, is the senior advisor to President Barack Obama on science and technology issues, who co-authored a paper called ECOSCIENCE: Population, resources, environment, stating the same thing, that abortion's should be allowed throughout the entire pregnancy and that people should be allow to terminate unwanted children up to two-years of age because they (the children) are not really aware of their surroundings and can't be considered people. So don't say it is a straw man argument. RE: The post birth abortion debate has started - orygunluvr - 02-24-2014 (02-24-2014, 01:56 PM)Prospero Wrote:(02-24-2014, 01:47 PM)chuck white Wrote: I think we should have post birth aborted GW Bush You first? RE: The post birth abortion debate has started - tvguy - 02-24-2014 (02-24-2014, 02:02 PM)SFLiberal Wrote:(02-24-2014, 12:02 PM)tvguy Wrote: Pretty much a straw man argument since what is proposed in the article has nothing to do with what the average right to choice person is thinking. Quote:No it's not. You have people like MSNBC host Melissa Harris-Perry who has said that life begins when the parents feel like life begins Right which is just as silly as saying life begins as is to sacred to end when we are talking about something as small as the period at the end of this sentence. Or that it's wrong to take a day after pill. It's extremism on both sides. To enter either one of these EXTREMES to the abortion issue is introducing a strawman. RE: The post birth abortion debate has started - csrowan - 02-24-2014 If you don't want people to have abortions, why not support programs that have been proven to reduce unwanted pregnancies? How about comprehensive sex ed classes? How about mandating birth control in employer health care plans, no religious exemptions? How about publicly funded birth control, for that matter? Free long-acting reversible contraception? RE: The post birth abortion debate has started - Scrapper - 02-26-2014 (02-24-2014, 03:27 PM)csrowan Wrote: If you don't want people to have abortions, why not support programs that have been proven to reduce unwanted pregnancies? Because they're too stupid. That would take rational thought... something they are severely lacking. And... then they would have to come up with something else to whine about. It's just easier for them to continue to whine about abortions. RE: The post birth abortion debate has started - tornado - 02-27-2014 A couple of the members here seem to be quite naive when it comes to sex education in government schools. Planned Parenthood was actively engaged in visiting health classes at Eagle Point high school when my children attended there in the 1980s. So, unless you know otherwise, don't tell me about how we need comprehensive sex ed classes. We've had it for years, and at the tax payer's expense. Planned Parenthood should be banned from setting foot on public school grounds. Planned Parenthood should not receive on cent from American's wallets; unless they choose to voluntarily donate. Case in point: Planned Parenthood Produces Video Promoting Bondage and Sadomasochism to Teens http://cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollingsworth/planned-parenthood-produces-video-promoting-bondage-and?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Marketing&utm_term=Facebook+&utm_content=socialflow&utm_campaign=BDSM (CNSNews.com) -- Planned Parenthood of Northern New England (PPNNE)--which received more than $2.75 million in government funding in 2012--has produced and posted online a video specifically aimed at teenagers that promotes bondage and sadomasochism (BDSM) and proposes "rules" to follow when engaging in these activities. “People sometimes think that those who practice BDSM are emotionally scarred or were once abused—not true, it’s a total myth," the host of the video, Laci Green, informs its intended audience of teens. "BDSM relies upon and creates trust," she says. In a message published at the beginning of PPNNE's 2012 annual report, PPNNE President Meagan Gallagher described the genesis of the project that produced the video on bondage and sadomasochism. "We continued to grow our online presence, and launched an innovative social education project called 'A Naked Notion' (www.anakednotion.org)," wrote Gallagher. "The numbers show that young people took notice--PPNNE’s 'A Naked Notion' YouTube channel has been viewed more than a million times!" The homepage of PPNNE's website includes a menu of tabs that lead to internal pages. One of these is entitled "For Teens." "We are dedicated to protecting the sexual health of teens by providing accurate information, opportunities to explore and establish beliefs and attitudes, and the skills to communicate their needs," says PPNNE's "For Teens" page. "For teens who are sexually involved, Planned Parenthood is committed to providing resources for safeguarding their emotional and physical health," it says. RE: The post birth abortion debate has started - csrowan - 02-27-2014 BDSM includes things like spankings, spicing up your love life by doing some role play, maybe bringing out some ropes or scarves and tying up your partner. It doesn't have to be whips and chains and hot wax dripping on your testicles, you know. Or maybe you don't. But regardless, it's a good idea to communicate with your partner beforehand, to have a good idea about what you are doing, to make sure there are open lines of communication throughout the entire event, and to make sure that everyone involved (whether it's two people who've been happily married and monogamous for decades or a dozen who barely know each other) knows what's going on and what the rules are, and what everyone else's particular rules are. Teaching kids the rudimentary basics of consent, respect, and being safe if you're going to experiment with any form of kink sounds like a good idea to me. And BDSM isn't "bondage and sadomasochism". It's bondage, domination, sadism, and masochism. There can be separation or overlap. You can also pull it apart into B (bondage), B/D (bondage/domination), D/s (Domination/submission), S&M (sadism and masochism), and of course, simply M (masochism). You won't find just sadism as part of BDSM, because sadism without masochism isn't consensual, and therefore isn't acceptable. Of course, I highly doubt the video even went into that much detail. I could be wrong, though. More likely, it was just about safety and communication. RE: The post birth abortion debate has started - Scrapper - 03-03-2014 RE: The post birth abortion debate has started - SFLiberal - 03-03-2014 (03-03-2014, 10:19 AM)Scrapper Wrote: Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach him to fish and you feed him for life. Progressives have created a generation of people waiting in line for a fish. Your argument is a: RE: The post birth abortion debate has started - Wonky - 03-03-2014 (03-03-2014, 10:19 AM)Scrapper Wrote: I see the point Scrapper, but wonder if that's really fair. People who really believe life starts at conception are responding to a genuine belief (emotion?) that should be respected. The science is still murky, and even when one dismisses the religious overtones it is something to seriously consider. In a perfect world we would hope abortions would be unnecessary. And it's true that when that life is allowed to come into this imperfect world we (the entire society) should make sure that all the young are given the basic needs children require. We should be able to embrace both concepts. Feed the little ones and protect them during childhood or accept that there are times when stopping the growing of that seed is the humane and right thing to do. Not easy, this stuff. RE: The post birth abortion debate has started - SFLiberal - 03-03-2014 Cecile Richards, the president of Planned Parenthood said this a few days ago: Quote:It (when life begins) is not something that I feel is really part of this conversation I don’t know if it’s really relevant to the conversation (abortion).” She's wrong. It is relevant. RE: The post birth abortion debate has started - csrowan - 03-03-2014 It's called "body autonomy". You can't force a woman to donate a kidney, even to save someone's life. You can't even force her to donate a pint of blood or a lobe of liver, and those will be replaced in time. Neither can you force her to donate her womb for nine months if she doesn't want to—even if it will save a life. RE: The post birth abortion debate has started - Willie Krash - 03-03-2014 (03-03-2014, 10:38 AM)SFLiberal Wrote: Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach him to fish and you feed him for life. Teach a man to fish and you're a socialist. RE: The post birth abortion debate has started - csrowan - 03-03-2014 (03-03-2014, 01:23 PM)Willie Krash Wrote:(03-03-2014, 10:38 AM)SFLiberal Wrote: Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach him to fish and you feed him for life. “When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist.” ? Hélder Câmara |