Memorial Weekend
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Quote:Wonky...So, I'm not sure we have to right to choose how we observe this day. No more than we would show up at the burial of someone's loved one drunk and singing spirited songs.

Of course we have a right to chose how we observe this day or how we don't. Good grief people work their ass off and when winter is finally over and you get a three day weekend of good weather.We DESERVE to have some fun
Many of us stretch the weekend to four days.
We can OBSERVE or celebrate our freedom and honor the fallen any F***ING way we want.

I've worked my ass off building parade floats to honor the soldiers who gave it all.
I've also gone to the coast or the lake and did nothing more than put a flag out at my house.

Your analogy (show up at the burial of someone's loved one drunk and singing spirited songs)  is a ridiculous comparison.
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#62
(05-26-2015, 02:53 PM)Wonky3 Wrote: Is this a great spot, or what! (Rhetorical) 

A bunch of us got to voice our opinions, views, attitudes, and whatever about an annual holiday we are blessed to have.

Lots of different opinions, etc, and many rebuttals, arguments and so on. And Still, a group of local folks had the chance to express these things. This may not foster "fellowship" but it sure don't hurt making our community a bit more like a neighborhood. 

I learned a new word from Tia that does what vocabulary is around to help us with: 
jingoism |?jiNGg??iz?m|nounchiefly derogatoryextreme patriotism, esp. in the form of aggressive or warlike foreign policy.

With this word I more completely understand a lot of the divergent stuff I read and hear about our military and the folks who serve. 

Is this a great spot, or what! 

Well, it can also mean just extreme patriotism, Wonky.
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#63
(05-26-2015, 11:18 AM)Hugo Wrote:
(05-23-2015, 07:52 PM)Hugo Wrote: Enjoy Boatnik.
Enjoy camping.
Enjoy your family time and the BBQ.
Enjoy the extra day off work. (if you work)

While enjoying all of these things this weekend, please remember the reason for the National Holiday.  Those who lost their lives in defense of this great Country of ours.

This video (although shot on D-Day last year, not Memorial Day) really sums up , for me, the depth of admiration and humility I feel for those who died in service of America.



Quote:Tiamat wrote:  I don't think ANYONE here has a problem with that sentiment. It's the challenging tone with it's predictable regularity that is offensive to some of us here.

Show me where I said or implied ANYONE HERE is "less" in any way.  Show me Tia, where in this OP I have a "challenging tone".  SHOW me, in the obove OP, what you are "offended" by.

Show you?  Well, no, I can't show you. I can read you though. It may not be how you meant it. It IS  how I took it however. I may be wrong about you, Larry, I may be wrong.  Sounds like Cuzz sees/reads it too though.
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#64
(05-26-2015, 06:15 PM)Tiamat Wrote:
(05-26-2015, 11:18 AM)Hugo Wrote:
(05-23-2015, 07:52 PM)Hugo Wrote: Enjoy Boatnik.
Enjoy camping.
Enjoy your family time and the BBQ.
Enjoy the extra day off work. (if you work)

While enjoying all of these things this weekend, please remember the reason for the National Holiday.  Those who lost their lives in defense of this great Country of ours.

This video (although shot on D-Day last year, not Memorial Day) really sums up , for me, the depth of admiration and humility I feel for those who died in service of America.



Quote:Tiamat wrote:  I don't think ANYONE here has a problem with that sentiment. It's the challenging tone with it's predictable regularity that is offensive to some of us here.

Show me where I said or implied ANYONE HERE is "less" in any way.  Show me Tia, where in this OP I have a "challenging tone".  SHOW me, in the obove OP, what you are "offended" by.

Show you?  Well, no, I can't show you. I can read you though. It may not be how you meant it. It IS  how I took it however. I may be wrong about you, Larry, I may be wrong.  Sounds like Cuzz sees/reads it too though.

Show you where you have a challenging tone? Really? It would be easire to show where you don't Laughing You doubted she watched the video.You claim she doesn't understand WHY you posted. And then incredibly you challenge whether or not she understands OR CARES about the sacrifices of our soldiers.
 
And all that simply because she thought ahead of time about the possibility that Larry would post something patriotic on memorial day. And had the unmitigated gall to say so.





 Hugo..."If the only thing you took away from what I posted, and the video (which I doubt you watched), was the satisfaction that you thought I would post something, then you certainly don't understand my reason for posting itNor do you seem to care about the sacrifice of the ones we remember on this occasion".
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#65
(05-26-2015, 06:47 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(05-26-2015, 06:15 PM)Tiamat Wrote:
(05-26-2015, 11:18 AM)Hugo Wrote:
(05-23-2015, 07:52 PM)Hugo Wrote: Enjoy Boatnik.
Enjoy camping.
Enjoy your family time and the BBQ.
Enjoy the extra day off work. (if you work)

While enjoying all of these things this weekend, please remember the reason for the National Holiday.  Those who lost their lives in defense of this great Country of ours.

This video (although shot on D-Day last year, not Memorial Day) really sums up , for me, the depth of admiration and humility I feel for those who died in service of America.



Quote:Tiamat wrote:  I don't think ANYONE here has a problem with that sentiment. It's the challenging tone with it's predictable regularity that is offensive to some of us here.

Show me where I said or implied ANYONE HERE is "less" in any way.  Show me Tia, where in this OP I have a "challenging tone".  SHOW me, in the obove OP, what you are "offended" by.

Show you?  Well, no, I can't show you. I can read you though. It may not be how you meant it. It IS  how I took it however. I may be wrong about you, Larry, I may be wrong.  Sounds like Cuzz sees/reads it too though.

Show you where you have a challenging tone? Really? It would be easire to show where you don't Laughing You doubted she watched the video.You claim she doesn't understand WHY you posted. And then incredibly you challenge whether or not she understands OR CARES about the sacrifices of our soldiers.
 
And all that simply because she thought ahead of time about the possibility that Larry would post something patriotic on memorial day. And had the unmitigated gall to say so.





 Hugo..."If the only thing you took away from what I posted, and the video (which I doubt you watched), was the satisfaction that you thought I would post something, then you certainly don't understand my reason for posting itNor do you seem to care about the sacrifice of the ones we remember on this occasion".
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#66
(05-26-2015, 06:12 PM)Tiamat Wrote:
(05-26-2015, 02:53 PM)Wonky3 Wrote: Is this a great spot, or what! (Rhetorical) 

A bunch of us got to voice our opinions, views, attitudes, and whatever about an annual holiday we are blessed to have.

Lots of different opinions, etc, and many rebuttals, arguments and so on. And Still, a group of local folks had the chance to express these things. This may not foster "fellowship" but it sure don't hurt making our community a bit more like a neighborhood. 

I learned a new word from Tia that does what vocabulary is around to help us with: 
jingoism |?jiNGg??iz?m|nounchiefly derogatoryextreme patriotism, esp. in the form of aggressive or warlike foreign policy.

With this word I more completely understand a lot of the divergent stuff I read and hear about our military and the folks who serve. 

Is this a great spot, or what! 

Well, it can also mean just extreme patriotism, Wonky.

"Just" extreme patriotism? Extreme anything is a caution. Whatever...don't mean to be splitting hairs but "extreme patriots" can be scary folks. 
Whatever: I'm glad we had the chance to kick this stuff around. 
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#67
(05-26-2015, 03:05 PM)tvguy Wrote:
Quote:Wonky...So, I'm not sure we have to right to choose how we observe this day. No more than we would show up at the burial of someone's loved one drunk and singing spirited songs.

Of course we have a right to chose how we observe this day or how we don't. Good grief people work their ass off and when winter is finally over and you get a three day weekend of good weather.We DESERVE to have some fun
Many of us stretch the weekend to four days.
We can OBSERVE or celebrate our freedom and honor the fallen any F***ING way we want.

I've worked my ass off building parade floats to honor the soldiers who gave it all.
I've also gone to the coast or the lake and did nothing more than put a flag out at my house.

Your analogy (show up at the burial of someone's loved one drunk and singing spirited songs)  is a ridiculous comparison.

A ridiculous comparison maybe. I was attempting to make a point about the difference between different kind of "holidays" we are blessed with. I think there is a real difference between Memorial day and Independence day, for instance. 
So go ahead and "OBSERVE or celebrate our freedom and honor the fallen any F***ING way we want.". I'll continue to feel our "fallen" should be honored with some reverence and a sober attitude. But that's just how I feel and I'm glad I had the chance to express it. 
But arguing is your default position so I'm not shocked. Arguing can be good, but do we have to argue about everything? The great thing about this is that we can make our own choices. I just don't think I want to be with you on Memorial Day.
Do as you will. Any F***ING way you want. 
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(05-26-2015, 10:13 PM)Wonky3 Wrote:
(05-26-2015, 03:05 PM)tvguy Wrote:
Quote:Wonky...So, I'm not sure we have to right to choose how we observe this day. No more than we would show up at the burial of someone's loved one drunk and singing spirited songs.

Of course we have a right to chose how we observe this day or how we don't. Good grief people work their ass off and when winter is finally over and you get a three day weekend of good weather.We DESERVE to have some fun
Many of us stretch the weekend to four days.
We can OBSERVE or celebrate our freedom and honor the fallen any F***ING way we want.

I've worked my ass off building parade floats to honor the soldiers who gave it all.
I've also gone to the coast or the lake and did nothing more than put a flag out at my house.

Your analogy (show up at the burial of someone's loved one drunk and singing spirited songs)  is a ridiculous comparison.

A ridiculous comparison maybe. I was attempting to make a point about the difference between different kind of "holidays" we are blessed with. I think there is a real difference between Memorial day and Independence day, for instance. 
So go ahead and "OBSERVE or celebrate our freedom and honor the fallen any F***ING way we want.". I'll continue to feel our "fallen" should be honored with some reverence and a sober attitude. But that's just how I feel and I'm glad I had the chance to express it. 
But arguing is your default position so I'm not shocked. Arguing can be good, but do we have to argue about everything? The great thing about this is that we can make our own choices. I just don't think I want to be with you on Memorial Day.
Do as you will. Any F***ING way you want. 

Of course we don't  have to argue about everything. We can insert snide, biting little innuendos about each other at opportune moments too!   Big Grin  Sarcasm alert!
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#69
(05-26-2015, 08:14 AM)Wonky3 Wrote:
(05-25-2015, 08:43 PM)cletus1 Wrote:
(05-25-2015, 07:55 PM)Tiamat Wrote: Retracted.  Smiling

What? Retract nothing. Speak your mind. 

Every fucking Memorial Day Hugo points out how most of us are lacking for not celebrating Memorial Day the way we should. It is an annual assault on everyone he deems not patriotic enough. Personally, I find his self appointed role as defender of fallen soldiers nothing more than mean spirited attack on people that don't share his politics. 

I think (feel?) Hugo has a point. 
Memorial day is not a typical "holiday". Not a day simply to be free from work, enjoy fun and games as we might on Holidays to be celebrated, like maybe, our Independance Day or Thanksgiving. 
This is in memory of. It started as Armistice Day after the Great War to honor the fallen. It was solemn, with a tone of reverence for the dead who we miss and grieve for. 

So, I'm not sure we have to right to choose how we observe this day. No more than we would show up at the burial of someone's loved one drunk and singing spirited songs. 

But, we are a free people. Those who died in battle helped secure that freedom. That said, I guess in all candor we have the right be behave in any fashion we want. 

Some of us chose to honor the fallen with a Memorial, feeling our conduct should be appropriate to the spirit of the history that provides us with this day set aside for a specific reason. 

So........what would you suggest as the way too do this day if we don't have the "right to choose"? You do know how that sounds, right?  
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#70
(05-26-2015, 10:13 PM)Wonky3 Wrote:
(05-26-2015, 03:05 PM)tvguy Wrote:
Quote:Wonky...So, I'm not sure we have to right to choose how we observe this day. No more than we would show up at the burial of someone's loved one drunk and singing spirited songs.

Of course we have a right to chose how we observe this day or how we don't. Good grief people work their ass off and when winter is finally over and you get a three day weekend of good weather.We DESERVE to have some fun
Many of us stretch the weekend to four days.
We can OBSERVE or celebrate our freedom and honor the fallen any F***ING way we want.

I've worked my ass off building parade floats to honor the soldiers who gave it all.
I've also gone to the coast or the lake and did nothing more than put a flag out at my house.

Your analogy (show up at the burial of someone's loved one drunk and singing spirited songs)  is a ridiculous comparison.

A ridiculous comparison maybe. I was attempting to make a point about the difference between different kind of "holidays" we are blessed with. I think there is a real difference between Memorial day and Independence day, for instance. 
So go ahead and "OBSERVE or celebrate our freedom and honor the fallen any F***ING way we want.". I'll continue to feel our "fallen" should be honored with some reverence and a sober attitude. But that's just how I feel and I'm glad I had the chance to express it. 
But arguing is your default position so I'm not shocked. Arguing can be good, but do we have to argue about everything? The great thing about this is that we can make our own choices. I just don't think I want to be with you on Memorial Day.
Do as you will. Any F***ING way you want. 

Not "maybe" at all it was totally ridiculous to compare people enjoying a long weekend at the lake to someone interrupting a funeral. I just pointed that out and you can justify what you said be saying I just want to argue if  it makes you feel better.
So you go ahead and sit around being sullen and morose all day on Memorial day but don't sit here and tell everyone else what you think we have a RIGHT to do.
If there was more that six people on this forum my money says there would be others agreeing with me.

"The great thing about this is that we can make our own choices. "

Really? You can't have it both ways. I'm not the one telling anyone else what they have a right to do Or even what they should do on a Federal holiday.
I really don't give a shit if people want to have a good time and I don't understand how anyone can take that to mean they don't honor or feel for dead soldiers.

And YOU don't want to be with ME on memorial day Laughing Laughing  
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#71
(05-26-2015, 09:00 AM) pid=\355757' Wrote:
(05-26-2015, 08:35 AM)Tiamat Wrote:
(05-26-2015, 08:14 AM)Wonky3 Wrote: WonkyI think (feel?) Hugo has a point. 
Memorial day is not a typical "holiday". Not a day simply to be free from work, enjoy fun and games as we might on Holidays to be celebrated, like maybe, our Independance Day or Thanksgiving. 
This is in memory of. It started as Armistice Day after the Great War to honor the fallen. It was solemn, with a tone of reverence for the dead who we miss and grieve for. 

So, I'm not sure we have to right to choose how we observe this day. No more than we would show up at the burial of someone's loved one drunk and singing spirited songs. 

But, we are a free people. Those who died in battle helped secure that freedom. That said, I guess in all candor we have the right be behave in any fashion we want. 

Some of us chose to honor the fallen with a Memorial, feeling our conduct should be appropriate to the spirit of the history that provides us with this day set aside for a specific reason. 
 
There must be 10's of millions of people who don't celebrate Memorial day with what you view as appropriate.Yeah there just the same as drunks crashing a funeral.
 Poor people are all missing out on your great company Sad




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#72
(05-26-2015, 10:13 PM)Wonky3 Wrote:
(05-26-2015, 03:05 PM)tvguy Wrote:
Quote:Wonky...So, I'm not sure we have to right to choose how we observe this day. No more than we would show up at the burial of someone's loved one drunk and singing spirited songs.

Of course we have a right to chose how we observe this day or how we don't. Good grief people work their ass off and when winter is finally over and you get a three day weekend of good weather.We DESERVE to have some fun
Many of us stretch the weekend to four days.
We can OBSERVE or celebrate our freedom and honor the fallen any F***ING way we want.

I've worked my ass off building parade floats to honor the soldiers who gave it all.
I've also gone to the coast or the lake and did nothing more than put a flag out at my house.

Your analogy (show up at the burial of someone's loved one drunk and singing spirited songs)  is a ridiculous comparison.

A ridiculous comparison maybe. I was attempting to make a point about the difference between different kind of "holidays" we are blessed with. I think there is a real difference between Memorial day and Independence day, for instance. 
So go ahead and "OBSERVE or celebrate our freedom and honor the fallen any F***ING way we want.". I'll continue to feel our "fallen" should be honored with some reverence and a sober attitude. But that's just how I feel and I'm glad I had the chance to express it. 
But arguing is your default position so I'm not shocked. Arguing can be good, but do we have to argue about everything? The great thing about this is that we can make our own choices. I just don't think I want to be with you on Memorial Day.
Do as you will. Any F***ING way you want. 

It seems too many people, not just on this forum, get all caught up in thinking there is only one way to do things. That there is only one "right" way. I prefer to see this situation, that is observing Memorial Day, much like observing a funeral. It's not a two dimensional event. It's not just this way or that way. It's more 3D and can be approached from any angle that suits. Consider a funeral in a flag waving, bible thumping, socially strict family. Now consider a funeral in New Orleans. One mourns a passing. The other celebrates a life lived. I don't see anything wrong with either approach. Memorial Day observance can be viewed much the same.
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#73
No funeral for me! I want to be scorched... a huge party for everyone to celebrate that I've had a great life... (At least part of) my ashes scattered in the ocean at Orient Beach in Saint Martin. Call it good!

Kind of like Eva... only she wanted to float the Rogue River down to the ocean. Last month was 2 years.
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#74
(05-27-2015, 08:14 AM)Cuzz Wrote:
(05-26-2015, 10:13 PM)Wonky3 Wrote:
(05-26-2015, 03:05 PM)tvguy Wrote:
Quote:Wonky...So, I'm not sure we have to right to choose how we observe this day. No more than we would show up at the burial of someone's loved one drunk and singing spirited songs.

Of course we have a right to chose how we observe this day or how we don't. Good grief people work their ass off and when winter is finally over and you get a three day weekend of good weather.We DESERVE to have some fun
Many of us stretch the weekend to four days.
We can OBSERVE or celebrate our freedom and honor the fallen any F***ING way we want.

I've worked my ass off building parade floats to honor the soldiers who gave it all.
I've also gone to the coast or the lake and did nothing more than put a flag out at my house.

Your analogy (show up at the burial of someone's loved one drunk and singing spirited songs)  is a ridiculous comparison.

A ridiculous comparison maybe. I was attempting to make a point about the difference between different kind of "holidays" we are blessed with. I think there is a real difference between Memorial day and Independence day, for instance. 
So go ahead and "OBSERVE or celebrate our freedom and honor the fallen any F***ING way we want.". I'll continue to feel our "fallen" should be honored with some reverence and a sober attitude. But that's just how I feel and I'm glad I had the chance to express it. 
But arguing is your default position so I'm not shocked. Arguing can be good, but do we have to argue about everything? The great thing about this is that we can make our own choices. I just don't think I want to be with you on Memorial Day.
Do as you will. Any F***ING way you want. 

It seems too many people, not just on this forum, get all caught up in thinking there is only one way to do things. That there is only one "right" way. I prefer to see this situation, that is observing Memorial Day, much like observing a funeral. It's not a two dimensional event. It's not just this way or that way. It's more 3D and can be approached from any angle that suits. Consider a funeral in a flag waving, bible thumping, socially strict family. Now consider a funeral in New Orleans. One mourns a passing. The other celebrates a life lived. I don't see anything wrong with either approach. Memorial Day observance can be viewed much the same.


I see this a LOT in social media. I call the "lock step" mentality and woe be unto they who step out of line.  I like this forum though.  There are people who feel certain things should be a certain way, but there are others who have completely different points of view. So, I like that this forum is not a "lock step" forum, and all ideas are welcome to be spoken here. You may not like the responses  you get from individuals if you speak your mind, but the entire forum will not, in unison say and think the same thing. This place still has value to me.
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#75
How'd I get here?

I'm all for thanking those that serve but honestly we are a warrior nation and freedom is not always what it's about.
I guess I'm nostalgic for old fashion war. You know the one the other guy started.  
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#76
(05-27-2015, 12:07 PM)Willie Krash Wrote: How'd I get here?

I'm all for thanking those that serve but honestly we are a warrior nation and freedom is not always what it's about.
I guess I'm nostalgic for old fashion war. You know the one the other guy started.  

Right like south Vietnam was free or south Korea or east Germany Or the Iraq People or the people of Afghanistan.

We are a warrior nation because someone has to be and it just so happens that we are the greatest free nation on earth... WE were forced to take this position after we saved the world from Tyranny not all that long ago. BECAUSE of all of our freedoms.We are also also not only the most powerful nation but insanely wealthy. Not to mention the technology or inventions. medicines that came from free Americans.
And not to mention so many people all over the planet who strive to live just like we do.
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#77
(05-27-2015, 02:34 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(05-27-2015, 12:07 PM)Willie Krash Wrote: How'd I get here?

I'm all for thanking those that serve but honestly we are a warrior nation and freedom is not always what it's about.
I guess I'm nostalgic for old fashion war. You know the one the other guy started.  

Right like south Vietnam was free or south Korea or east Germany Or the Iraq People or the people of Afghanistan.

We are a warrior nation because someone has to be and it just so happens that we are the greatest free nation on earth... WE were forced to take this position after we saved the world from Tyranny not all that long ago. BECAUSE of all of our freedoms.We are also also not only the most powerful nation but insanely wealthy. Not to mention the technology or inventions. medicines that came from free Americans.
And not to mention so many people all over the planet who strive to live just like we do.
We don't send our young folks to die in far off places with strange sounding names to secure the freedom of others. That's a whole lot like your constant harping about my alleged attempt to force my opinions on others. 
We should go to war only when our national security is threatened. We know now that Korea, Viet Nam, Iraq, and Afghanistan were mistakes because there was never any fear that these conflicts were a direct threat to our national security. The cost has been trillions of dollars and far too many lives. 
And example: The ISIL nut jobs running amuck in the middle east don't warrant the insertion of U.S. Ground troops in numbers. Our troops should not bleed in the sands there, the countries in the region should be responsible for dealing with these extremists. 
But...
Should ISIL get their hands on WMD and the ability to threaten the U.S. with that stuff, THEN we need to go to war. And when we do, the ENTIRE nation should be at war (as in WW11) and we should draft from ALL levels of our society to provide the manpower necessary. 

I agree with Willie. Got to war when the other guys start it. 
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#78
(05-27-2015, 08:07 PM)Wonky3 Wrote:
(05-27-2015, 02:34 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(05-27-2015, 12:07 PM)Willie Krash Wrote: How'd I get here?

I'm all for thanking those that serve but honestly we are a warrior nation and freedom is not always what it's about.
I guess I'm nostalgic for old fashion war. You know the one the other guy started.  

Right like south Vietnam was free or south Korea or east Germany Or the Iraq People or the people of Afghanistan.

We are a warrior nation because someone has to be and it just so happens that we are the greatest free nation on earth... WE were forced to take this position after we saved the world from Tyranny not all that long ago. BECAUSE of all of our freedoms.We are also also not only the most powerful nation but insanely wealthy. Not to mention the technology or inventions. medicines that came from free Americans.
And not to mention so many people all over the planet who strive to live just like we do.

Quote:We don't send our young folks to die in far off places with strange sounding names to secure the freedom of others.

Yes we do and to keep our own freedom.






Quote:That's a whole lot like your constant harping about my alleged attempt to force my opinions on others. 

Well I don't see any connection whatsoever and ....ALLEGED???? Laughing Laughing  Wow it's bad enough you have been doing this for years,There's areason you picked up the nickname forum nanny and it's been pointed out to you by SEVERAL people, not just me.
And you deny that it's true??




Quote:We should go to war only when our national security is threatened.

So lets say the holocaust was happening if Europe right now just like before. Are you still saying we should sit on our thumbs because our nation isn't threatened?
By the way you mentioned Iraq. we went there because we BELIEVED they had weapons of mass destruction.WE removed a brutal dictator who gassed his own people. I believe our mistake was to stay there not to go there.

 We bombed Iraq once before when he invaded Kuwait and we kicked their ass and ran them back home. Were we supposed to let Saddam take over Kuwait because Saddam didn't attack OUR nation?







Quote:We know now that Korea, Viet Nam, Iraq, and Afghanistan were mistakes because there was never any fear that these conflicts were a direct threat to our national security. The cost has been trillions of dollars and far too many lives.
 
We  NOW , so how does that mean that the reason went to war was not about freedom like Willie said?
I'm not saying we were always right. But I'm not going with the notion that we went to war without good intentions and those intentions were about freedom.

Pretty easy to sit here and say what we should have done in the past.





 

Quote:And when we do, the ENTIRE nation should be at war (as in WW11) and we should draft from ALL levels of our society to provide the manpower necessary. 

 

I don't think that will ever happen. I don't think we have enough civilians to draft who could actually ever be a soldier.

 
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#79
(05-28-2015, 02:59 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(05-27-2015, 08:07 PM)Wonky3 Wrote:
(05-27-2015, 02:34 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(05-27-2015, 12:07 PM)Willie Krash Wrote: How'd I get here?

I'm all for thanking those that serve but honestly we are a warrior nation and freedom is not always what it's about.
I guess I'm nostalgic for old fashion war. You know the one the other guy started.  

Right like south Vietnam was free or south Korea or east Germany Or the Iraq People or the people of Afghanistan.

We are a warrior nation because someone has to be and it just so happens that we are the greatest free nation on earth... WE were forced to take this position after we saved the world from Tyranny not all that long ago. BECAUSE of all of our freedoms.We are also also not only the most powerful nation but insanely wealthy. Not to mention the technology or inventions. medicines that came from free Americans.
And not to mention so many people all over the planet who strive to live just like we do.

Quote:We don't send our young folks to die in far off places with strange sounding names to secure the freedom of others.

Yes we do and to keep our own freedom.







Quote:That's a whole lot like your constant harping about my alleged attempt to force my opinions on others. 

Well I don't see any connection whatsoever and ....ALLEGED???? Laughing Laughing  Wow it's bad enough you have been doing this for years,There's areason you picked up the nickname forum nanny and it's been pointed out to you by SEVERAL people, not just me.
And you deny that it's true??





Quote:We should go to war only when our national security is threatened.

So lets say the holocaust was happening if Europe right now just like before. Are you still saying we should sit on our thumbs because our nation isn't threatened?
By the way you mentioned Iraq. we went there because we BELIEVED they had weapons of mass destruction.WE removed a brutal dictator who gassed his own people. I believe our mistake was to stay there not to go there.

 We bombed Iraq once before when he invaded Kuwait and we kicked their ass and ran them back home. Were we supposed to let Saddam take over Kuwait because Saddam didn't attack OUR nation?








Quote:We know now that Korea, Viet Nam, Iraq, and Afghanistan were mistakes because there was never any fear that these conflicts were a direct threat to our national security. The cost has been trillions of dollars and far too many lives.
 
We  NOW , so how does that mean that the reason went to war was not about freedom like Willie said?
I'm not saying we were always right. But I'm not going with the notion that we went to war without good intentions and those intentions were about freedom.

Pretty easy to sit here and say what we should have done in the past.





 


Quote:And when we do, the ENTIRE nation should be at war (as in WW11) and we should draft from ALL levels of our society to provide the manpower necessary. 

 

I don't think that will ever happen. I don't think we have enough civilians to draft who could actually ever be a soldier.

 
If true, that's damn sad. 

And with that I'm finished with this topic. I appreciate that we have different views, and I think exchanging those views is what a forum is all about. But at some point it just turns into repeating the same old crap. 
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