Shooting at UCC in Roseburg
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(10-02-2015, 07:40 AM)GPnative Wrote: Thought a mention of Chris Mintz is in order, I am thankful he survived and wish him well for a full and quick recovery.

http://www.businessinsider.com/her-army-...15-10?op=1

Me too. 
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#22
(10-02-2015, 07:53 AM)cletus1 Wrote:
(10-02-2015, 07:40 AM)GPnative Wrote: Thought a mention of Chris Mintz is in order, I am thankful he survived and wish him well for a full and quick recovery.

http://www.businessinsider.com/her-army-...15-10?op=1

Me too. 

Ditto that!
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#23
(10-02-2015, 05:59 AM)cletus1 Wrote:
(10-01-2015, 11:30 PM)orygunluvr Wrote: '

(10-01-2015, 10:00 PM)Willie Krash Wrote:
(10-01-2015, 06:20 PM)Hugo Wrote:
(10-01-2015, 06:16 PM)Willie Krash Wrote: The sheriff it seems a while back wrote VP Biden and said he would not enforce gun laws he deemed unconstitutional.

Do you have a problem with that?

Until we know more about this specific situation, can you cite a gun law that would have prevented it?  Within Constitutional parameters?

Unrelated to this shooting, did you know that almost EVERY County Sheriff in Oregon is on record saying they will not enforce SB941?  Do you know why?

I do not, no judgement call. Just spices things up. I do have a problem if the sheriff decides what law he follows. Kim Davis stuff?

But you could care less when Obama tells the doj, atf, border patrol to ignore certain laws that have resulted in many many more deaths than today, just by fast and furious alone. 

Really? Obama? Get over yourself. Fast and furious was an investigation that went sideways. You act like Obama want to Mexico and started handing out guns. 

They should make owning and carrying a gun the law. We need more guns not less, right?

We need more guns not less, right?



Well yeah maybe. Maybe if even one student in Roseburg was carrying a gun this tragedy could have been either minimized or averted.
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#24
(10-02-2015, 09:45 AM)tvguy Wrote:
(10-02-2015, 05:59 AM)cletus1 Wrote:
(10-01-2015, 11:30 PM)orygunluvr Wrote: '


(10-01-2015, 10:00 PM)Willie Krash Wrote:
(10-01-2015, 06:20 PM)Hugo Wrote: Do you have a problem with that?

Until we know more about this specific situation, can you cite a gun law that would have prevented it?  Within Constitutional parameters?

Unrelated to this shooting, did you know that almost EVERY County Sheriff in Oregon is on record saying they will not enforce SB941?  Do you know why?

I do not, no judgement call. Just spices things up. I do have a problem if the sheriff decides what law he follows. Kim Davis stuff?

But you could care less when Obama tells the doj, atf, border patrol to ignore certain laws that have resulted in many many more deaths than today, just by fast and furious alone. 

Really? Obama? Get over yourself. Fast and furious was an investigation that went sideways. You act like Obama want to Mexico and started handing out guns. 

They should make owning and carrying a gun the law. We need more guns not less, right?

We need more guns not less, right?



Well yeah maybe. Maybe if even one student in Roseburg was carrying a gun this tragedy could have been either minimized or averted.

I lived in Roseburg for a time. I'd be very surprised if there weren't a few guns on campus, regardless of the schools policies. It's just that kind of place. That just means there probably wasn't one in the vicinity at the time.
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#25
(10-02-2015, 10:39 AM)Cuzz Wrote:
(10-02-2015, 09:45 AM)tvguy Wrote:
(10-02-2015, 05:59 AM)cletus1 Wrote:
(10-01-2015, 11:30 PM)orygunluvr Wrote: '



(10-01-2015, 10:00 PM)Willie Krash Wrote: I do not, no judgement call. Just spices things up. I do have a problem if the sheriff decides what law he follows. Kim Davis stuff?

But you could care less when Obama tells the doj, atf, border patrol to ignore certain laws that have resulted in many many more deaths than today, just by fast and furious alone. 

Really? Obama? Get over yourself. Fast and furious was an investigation that went sideways. You act like Obama want to Mexico and started handing out guns. 

They should make owning and carrying a gun the law. We need more guns not less, right?

We need more guns not less, right?



Well yeah maybe. Maybe if even one student in Roseburg was carrying a gun this tragedy could have been either minimized or averted.

I lived in Roseburg for a time. I'd be very surprised if there weren't a few guns on campus, regardless of the schools policies. It's just that kind of place. That just means there probably wasn't one in the vicinity at the time.

There was a student who was interviewed at UCC who openly said he was carrying a concealed weapon and that he had a permit. So I don't know if it's allowed or not.
What I see is because of these crazy bastards people need to be very aware and have some sort of protection. Even pepper spray might have helped.
I hate to say that because In truth I still think the odds of getting shot in a school are extremely low.
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#26
(10-02-2015, 10:46 AM)tvguy Wrote:
(10-02-2015, 10:39 AM)Cuzz Wrote: I lived in Roseburg for a time. I'd be very surprised if there weren't a few guns on campus, regardless of the schools policies. It's just that kind of place. That just means there probably wasn't one in the vicinity at the time.

There was a student who was interviewed at UCC who openly said he was carrying a concealed weapon and that he had a permit. So I don't know if it's allowed or not.
What I see is because of these crazy bastards people need to be very aware and have some sort of protection. Even pepper spray might have helped.
I hate to say that because In truth I still think the odds of getting shot in a school are extremely low.

Campus carry in Oregon is legal if you have a CHL. However, if the college finds out, nothing to stop them from expelling you if you're a student or calling the police and having you trespassed.
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#27
Also, what the actual fuck, CNN?

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#28
Quote: Wrote:CNN Breaking News 

Family members told investigators that the Oregon gunman had sought mental health treatment, two officials say.

Investigators have recovered writings believed to be his that include ramblings about his racial animus toward African-Americans and general feelings of anger about being isolated and unable to make relationships, law enforcement officials briefed on the investigation tell CNN.

It's not the freaking guns!  It's mental health!
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#29
(10-02-2015, 11:13 AM)syn4xe Wrote: Also, what the actual fuck, CNN?


Did CNN censor their own reporter? Sheep. 
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#30
(10-02-2015, 12:01 PM)Snail Wrote:
(10-02-2015, 11:13 AM)syn4xe Wrote: Also, what the actual fuck, CNN?


Did CNN censor their own reporter? Sheep. 

What do you mean?
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#31
(10-02-2015, 12:11 PM)Cuzz Wrote:
(10-02-2015, 12:01 PM)Snail Wrote:
(10-02-2015, 11:13 AM)syn4xe Wrote: Also, what the actual fuck, CNN?


Did CNN censor their own reporter? Sheep. 

What do you mean?

I think Cnn said the guys name because apparently they don't give a shit about the point the sheriff was trying to make. fucking assholes. I think it was edited (bleeped) by whomever posted the video.
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#32
News Release from Oregon State Police

Posted on FlashAlert: October 2nd, 2015 3:15 PM
News Briefing on behalf of Douglas County Sheriff's Office and the Oregon State Police Medical Examiner's Office:

Talking Points
Sheriff John Hanlin

10/2/15
2:00 pm briefing

My name is John Hanlin, and I am the sheriff in Douglas County.

This afternoon I am able to share with you information about the deceased victims. The information I am about to provide will be posted at www.flashalerteugene.net so that you may have the proper spellings and details.

The victims are:

* Lucero Alcaraz of Roseburg - 19 years old
* Quinn Glen Cooper of Roseburg - 18 years old
* Kim Saltmarsh Dietz of Roseburg - 59 years old
* Lucas Eibel of Roseburg - 18 years old
* Jason Dale Johnson of Winston - 33 years old
* Lawrence Levine of Glide - 67 years old. Mr. Levine is the teacher.
* Sarena Dawn Moore of Myrtle Creek - 44 years old
* Treven Taylor Anspach of Sutherlin - 20 years old
* Rebecka Ann Carnes of Myrtle Creek - 18 years old

We know that media are interested in speaking with families. We are working very closely them to arrange the release of these statements and photos. If they wish to do interviews, we will arrange those for them as well. At this time, all are asking for privacy. We would ask that you respect that request as they work through this most tragic of days.

This includes our emergency response families who, themselves, have suffered losses. First responders are not doing interviews and we ask that allow them to go about their work.

I do want to make a clarification regarding the number of injured. We have confirmed with the hospitals that there were indeed 9 victims who were transported and treated... not 7. To repeat, we have 9 injured. The death toll remains at 10, including the shooter.

Again, we are still requesting anyone with information, photos or videos to call 1-800-CALL FBI. Choose option 7.

Now, I would like to introduce Janet Holland - Executive Director of Community Health Alliance - to talk to us about the mental health resources available.

We are working to release the vehicles that are parked on campus. There have been inaccurate media reports saying that people should gather at the fairgrounds immediately. That is not true. Do not gather at the fairgrounds until at least 3 pm. The busses will be running from the fairgrounds to the campus until 6 pm. This is only for people who need to pick up their vehicles. We will make arrangements at a later time for those who need to pick up bags and backpacks inside the buildings.

Finally, the medical examiner has identified the shooter as Christopher Sean Harper-Mercer, age 26, of Winchester, Oregon. He was a student at Umpqua Community College and was enrolled in the class where the mass shooting took place.
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#33
(10-02-2015, 08:28 AM)Scrapper Wrote:
(10-02-2015, 07:53 AM)cletus1 Wrote:
(10-02-2015, 07:40 AM)GPnative Wrote: Thought a mention of Chris Mintz is in order, I am thankful he survived and wish him well for a full and quick recovery.

http://www.businessinsider.com/her-army-...15-10?op=1

Me too. 

Ditto that!

Have you seen the GoFundMe page for Chris Mintz?  People are really stepping up!  So far $287,238 in 8 short hours!
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#34
(10-02-2015, 03:31 PM)Scrapper Wrote:
(10-02-2015, 08:28 AM)Scrapper Wrote:
(10-02-2015, 07:53 AM)cletus1 Wrote:
(10-02-2015, 07:40 AM)GPnative Wrote: Thought a mention of Chris Mintz is in order, I am thankful he survived and wish him well for a full and quick recovery.

http://www.businessinsider.com/her-army-...15-10?op=1

Me too. 

Ditto that!

Have you seen the GoFundMe page for Chris Mintz?  People are really stepping up!  So far $287,238 in 8 short hours!

https://www.gofundme.com/s75ge9y4 
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#35
Hey Hugo, Check this out: The shooter was a gun nut. Check out the videos. Obama is the sanest politician of the bunch. Why the hell are you gun fanatics pissed at him? And more importantly, what would you do or suggest be done?





Oregon Killer Described as Man of Few Words, Except on Topic of Guns
By JACK HEALY and IAN LOVETTOCT. 2, 2015


ROSEBURG, Ore. — 
Christopher Harper-Mercer was withdrawn and quiet as he grew up in southern California, spending most of his time indoors at his mother’s apartment and deflecting neighbors when they asked him how he was doing, or why he always wore the same outfit of combat boots and green Army pants. But there was one subject that got him to open up: guns

Mr. Harper-Mercer collected handguns and rifles, and he regularly went to a shooting range with his mother, said neighbors in Torrance, Calif., where the two lived until moving to Oregon in 2013. At a barbecue shortly before they left, Mr. Harper-Mercer spent hours talking with a next-door neighbor about guns and how he and his mother were excited to leave Los Angeles and get a fresh start


“When we talked about guns and hunting, he was real open about it,” said the neighbor, Louie Flores, 32. “But anything about what was going on in his life, he really didn’t say too much at all.”



But two years after that fresh start, the authorities say, Mr. Harper-Mercer, 26, carried out the worst shooting rampage in this state’s history at Umpqua Community College on Thursday morning, killing nine people in the writing class where he was enrolled and wounding others. He was armed with six guns, a flak jacket and spare ammunition magazines, suggesting he expected a long siege. He had seven more guns at his apartment, officials said.


For investigators searching for his path to mass murder, he left behind a typewritten manifesto at the scene and a string of online postings that showed he had become increasingly interested in other high-profile shootings, angry at not having a girlfriend and bitter at a world that he believed was working against him.
Mr. Harper-Mercer appeared to have a particular animus against organized religion, and some survivors’ families have said he asked the victims whether they were Christians before shooting them.


Just this week, on Tuesday, using the handle lithium_love, he commented on a post titled “How many girlfriends have you had?” by saying “0. Never had anyone.” When pressed further by another user, he responded “Well, it means I’ve never been with anyone, no woman nor man (nor dog or animal or any other).” Then, on Wednesday, responding to a comment that he “must be saving himself for someone special,” he said, “Involuntarily so.” It was a day before the killings.
“He did not like his lot in life, and it seemed like nothing was going right for him,” a law enforcement official said, describing the writings found at the crime scene. “It’s clear he was in a very bad state of mind.”


He retreated to online message boards to express his thoughts about commercialism, other shootings and the infamy that accompanied the gunmen who carried them out. On a blog post linked to Mr. Harper-Mercer’s email address, an Aug. 31 entry expresses sympathy for Vester Lee Flanagan II, a dismissed television reporter who killed two former colleagues during a live broadcast in Roanoke, Va.: “I have noticed that people like him are all alone and unknown, yet when they spill a little blood, the whole world knows who they are.”
The entry continues, “Seems the more people you kill, the more you’re in the limelight.”
 


Full story: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/03/us/chr...oting.html
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#36
(10-03-2015, 08:13 AM)cletus1 Wrote: Hey Hugo, Check this out: The shooter was a gun nut. Check out the videos. Obama is the sanest politician of the bunch. Why the hell are you gun fanatics pissed at him? And more importantly, what would you do or suggest be done?





Oregon Killer Described as Man of Few Words, Except on Topic of Guns
By JACK HEALY and IAN LOVETTOCT. 2, 2015


ROSEBURG, Ore. — 
Christopher Harper-Mercer was withdrawn and quiet as he grew up in southern California, spending most of his time indoors at his mother’s apartment and deflecting neighbors when they asked him how he was doing, or why he always wore the same outfit of combat boots and green Army pants. But there was one subject that got him to open up: guns

Mr. Harper-Mercer collected handguns and rifles, and he regularly went to a shooting range with his mother, said neighbors in Torrance, Calif., where the two lived until moving to Oregon in 2013. At a barbecue shortly before they left, Mr. Harper-Mercer spent hours talking with a next-door neighbor about guns and how he and his mother were excited to leave Los Angeles and get a fresh start


“When we talked about guns and hunting, he was real open about it,” said the neighbor, Louie Flores, 32. “But anything about what was going on in his life, he really didn’t say too much at all.”



But two years after that fresh start, the authorities say, Mr. Harper-Mercer, 26, carried out the worst shooting rampage in this state’s history at Umpqua Community College on Thursday morning, killing nine people in the writing class where he was enrolled and wounding others. He was armed with six guns, a flak jacket and spare ammunition magazines, suggesting he expected a long siege. He had seven more guns at his apartment, officials said.


For investigators searching for his path to mass murder, he left behind a typewritten manifesto at the scene and a string of online postings that showed he had become increasingly interested in other high-profile shootings, angry at not having a girlfriend and bitter at a world that he believed was working against him.
Mr. Harper-Mercer appeared to have a particular animus against organized religion, and some survivors’ families have said he asked the victims whether they were Christians before shooting them.


Just this week, on Tuesday, using the handle lithium_love, he commented on a post titled “How many girlfriends have you had?” by saying “0. Never had anyone.” When pressed further by another user, he responded “Well, it means I’ve never been with anyone, no woman nor man (nor dog or animal or any other).” Then, on Wednesday, responding to a comment that he “must be saving himself for someone special,” he said, “Involuntarily so.” It was a day before the killings.
“He did not like his lot in life, and it seemed like nothing was going right for him,” a law enforcement official said, describing the writings found at the crime scene. “It’s clear he was in a very bad state of mind.”


He retreated to online message boards to express his thoughts about commercialism, other shootings and the infamy that accompanied the gunmen who carried them out. On a blog post linked to Mr. Harper-Mercer’s email address, an Aug. 31 entry expresses sympathy for Vester Lee Flanagan II, a dismissed television reporter who killed two former colleagues during a live broadcast in Roanoke, Va.: “I have noticed that people like him are all alone and unknown, yet when they spill a little blood, the whole world knows who they are.”
The entry continues, “Seems the more people you kill, the more you’re in the limelight.”
 


Full story: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/03/us/chr...oting.html

A gun "nut"...  who desperately needed professional mental help... even sought it out.  America desperately needs mental health reform!
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#37
23 mental health groups are calling on Congress to pass legislation aimed at repairing the country's broken mental health system.


http://www.kgw.com/story/news/2015/10/02.../73217666/


Quote:A day after a mass shooting in Oregon, 23 mental health groups are calling on Congress to pass legislation aimed at repairing the USA's broken mental health system.

The groups delivered a letter to congressional leaders Thursday, just hours before the attack at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Ore. left 10 people dead. The shooting was the latest in a series of mass killings perpetrated by unstable young men, many of whom were mentally ill.
While people with mental illness are generally no more violent than anyone else, the attacks have cast a spotlight on mental illness and the serious gaps in mental health care.
"How many more reminders do we need that mental health has to be a high priority?" asked psychiatrist Renee Binder, president of the American Psychiatric Association, which coauthored a letter to leaders of the House of Representatives, where several mental health bills have been introduced. "This is not a Republican issue or a Democratic issue. This is an American issue."
Although more than 13 million Americans have a serious mental illness, such as schizophrenia, bipolar disorder or major depression, most fail to receive the psychiatric care and services that could help them lead productive lives, according to the letter.
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USA TODAY
Mental Illness: The Cost of Not Caring

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In the House, Rep. Doris Matsui, D-Calif., has sponsored a bill that aims to make it easier for families to be involved in the care of loved ones with mental illness. Today, doctors and nurses often cite federal privacy laws when shutting families out of their loved one's mental health care, even though, in many cases, they're legally permitted to share the information.
Reps. Tim Murphy, R-Pa. and Eddie Bernice Johnson, D-Texas  also have introduced a bill to clarify healthy privacy rules. Their bill also would create an Assistant Secretary of Mental Health and Substance Abuse Disorders, who would coordinate mental health care across federal agencies and ensure that private insurers comply with federal laws on mental health coverage.
In addition, their bill would increase the number of hospitals beds for people in acute psychiatric crisis; support early intervention; and support "telepsychiatry" to increase mental health care for people in rural areas.
"Basic services are not available for many patients who have severe mental illness," Johnson said. "Many of these people end up homeless or incarcerated because there is a scarcity of treatment options."
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In this 2009 photo, Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson, D-Texas, waits to receive the Federal Legislator Award during the Jump$tart Coalition 2009 Awards Dinner at the Renaissance Hotel in Washington. (Photo: Joe Brier, for USA TODAY)

Murphy said he's frustrated that his bill, the Helping Families in Mental Health Crisis Act, has not moved forward.
"A person is dying from suicide, homicide or drug overdose every few minutes," said Murphy, a child psychologist. The cost of delaying action "can be measured in lives lost. . . . Every time I hear about another tragedy, I think about how bill could have helped them, so that people have a place to go in a crisis."
The Murphy-Johnson bill "really is landmark mental health reform," said John Snook, executive director of the Virginia-based Treatment Advocacy Center, which also cosigned the letter. "It talks about every aspect of this issue in a really smart way."
Sens. Chris Murphy, D-Conn., and Bill Cassidy, R-La., have introduced a similar bill in the Senate.
Also in the Senate, Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, has introduced a bill that would allow communities to use federal funds to expand crisis intervention teams. These teams -- already in place in many police departments around the country -- are trained to respond to deescalate psychiatric crises, helping people with mental illness avoid arrest. Cornyn's bill also promotes mental health courts, which allow inmates with mental illness to receive treatment, rather than remain in prison.
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Crime scene tape limits access to Umpqua Community College on October 2, 2015 in Roseburg, Oregon. (Photo: Scott Olson, Getty Images)

Ron Honberg, national director of policy and legal affairs at the National Alliance on Mental Illness, said it would be "heartbreaking" if Congress fails to improve mental health coverage.
"We need to get something meaningful passed this year," said Honberg, whose group also cosigned the letter. "We'll never have a better chance at reform because both the Republicans and Democrats agree that significant improvements to mental health care are needed."
Honberg said he hopes lawmakers will find a way to work together.
"To get legislation passed in Congress these days is a challenge," Honberg said. "But the fact that we have agreement on the need to fix the broken mental health system is huge."
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#38
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northw...shoot.html

Quote:Rand McGowan stayed still amid the gunfire.

The 18-year-old was in the writing class where a killer opened fire Thursday, killing nine at Umpqua Community College in Oregon's deadliest mass shooting.
McGowan told family members that the gunman didn't specifically target Christians but asked them about faith. The shooter, apparently planning to die during the massacre, told students: "I'll see you soon" or "I'll meet you soon."
McGowan's mother, Stephanie Salas, shared her son's account Friday. The teenager, one of triplet boys, was shot in the right hand and released from Mercy Medical Center in Roseburg.
McGowan heard gunshots before he knew what was happening, his mother said.
The 26-year-old gunman, Christopher Sean Harper-Mercer, told everyone to move toward the center of the room.
"The shooter would call a person: 'You, stand up,'" Salas said, recalling what her son told her. "And then he would ask them if they were a Christian, knew God, or had religion. And it wasn't like it was stated on TV. It wasn't about that he was just trying to pinpoint Christians, no."
The shooter would tell them it wouldn't hurt.
"And then he would shoot them," she said.
McGowan told his mom he kept his head down among students crouched in the middle of the classroom, didn't move and just tried to avoid looking at Harper-Mercer.
McGowan isn't sure how he got shot, she said. The gunman deliberately picked some people to shoot, but also sprayed bullets randomly, he told his mother.
At one point, Salas said, McGowan heard the shooter tell someone: "You, with the glasses, stand up."
His friend, Lucas Eibel, wore glasses and was among the students killed.
The shooter singled out one person in the room to live, McGowan told his mom. "I want you to be able to tell the cops about me, or something like that," Salas said of the directive.
Finally, at some point, the shooting stopped.
Police exchanged gunfire with the shooter and he was "neutralized," Douglas County sheriff's officials said.
McGowan told his mom that he saw the gunman dead on the classroom floor, perhaps from a self-inflicted wound to the head. He didn't see the shooter turn the gun on himself, she said, but he did see the body on the ground.
Students in the classroom recovered the gun and police entered about 20 seconds later, she said.
Salas, a single mother of four boys, said Rand was among three of her sons who were on campus Thursday.
He graduated from Roseburg High this year and was going to Umpqua Community College to study computer science. He likes to play the flute and guitar.
"He's recovering," Salas said. "He seems to be doing well. He's my quiet boy, so that's a little scary. Obviously, being in that, that can't be a good thing at all."
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#39
(10-02-2015, 03:32 PM)Scrapper Wrote:
(10-02-2015, 03:31 PM)Scrapper Wrote:
(10-02-2015, 08:28 AM)Scrapper Wrote:
(10-02-2015, 07:53 AM)cletus1 Wrote:
(10-02-2015, 07:40 AM)GPnative Wrote: Thought a mention of Chris Mintz is in order, I am thankful he survived and wish him well for a full and quick recovery.

http://www.businessinsider.com/her-army-...15-10?op=1

Me too. 

Ditto that!

Have you seen the GoFundMe page for Chris Mintz?  People are really stepping up!  So far $287,238 in 8 short hours!

https://www.gofundme.com/s75ge9y4 

$602,764 in 1 day!
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#40
News Release from Oregon State Police

Posted on FlashAlert: October 3rd, 2015 12:43 PM
On behalf of the Oregon State Police and the Oregon State Police Medical Examiner:

On October 1, 2015 at 10:38 AM Douglas County Emergency Communications (DCEC) received the first 911 calls directing law enforcement to the Umpqua Community College. Roseburg Police Department (RPD) officers were the first to arrive at 10:44 AM. Two RPD officers engaged the shooter in gunfire. The Oregon State Police Medical Examiner has determined the cause of death of the shooter to be suicide.

The Oregon State Police is conducting the investigation on the officer involved shooting. Any further details will be released by the Douglas County District Attorney's Office upon completion of the investigation.  
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