Obama Coming To Roseburg On Friday

[Hugo]

Hypocrisy: The President coming to Roseburg with a full armament of Secret Service and Military defense surrounding him, while trying to sell the need for society to disarm themselves.

 Perhaps ironic.
 The need for protection is due to the fact there are so many guns. If people will shoot students for no reason so would they a pope, political figure or even John Lennon.
He is not trying to disarm anyone and repeatedly said he believes in the second amendment.

Therein lies the difference.  You believe him.  I know better.

[Valuesize]

Hypocrisy: The President coming to Roseburg with a full armament of Secret Service and Military defense surrounding him, while trying to sell the need for society to disarm themselves.

 Perhaps ironic.
 The need for protection is due to the fact there are so many guns. If people will shoot students for no reason so would they a pope, political figure or even John Lennon.
He is not trying to disarm anyone and repeatedly said he believes in the second amendment.

Here are some sentences I plucked from his speech on the Roseburg shooting I posted here 
President on the Shootings in support of changing gun laws not banning guns.

Earlier this year, I answered a question in an interview by saying, “The United States of America is the one advanced nation on Earth in which we do not have sufficient common-sense gun-safety laws -- even in the face of repeated mass killings.”  

 It cannot be this easy for somebody who wants to inflict harm on other people to get his or her hands on a gun.  

And what’s become routine, of course, is the response of those who oppose any kind of common-sense gun legislation.  Right now, I can imagine the press releases being cranked out:  We need more guns, they’ll argue.  Fewer gun safety laws.  
Does anybody really believe that?  There are scores of responsible gun owners in this country --they know that's not true.  We know because of the polling that says the majority of Americans understand we should be changing these laws -- including the majority of responsible, law-abiding gun owners.  

When Americans are killed in mine disasters, we work to make mines safer.  When Americans are killed in floods and hurricanes, we make communities safer.  When roads are unsafe, we fix them to reduce auto fatalities.  We have seatbelt laws because we know it saves lives.  So the notion that gun violence is somehow different, that our freedom and our Constitution prohibits any modest regulation of how we use a deadly weapon, when there are law-abiding gun owners all across the country who could hunt and protect their families and do everything they do under such regulations doesn’t make sense.

I’d ask the American people to think about how they can get our government to change these laws, and to save lives, and to let young people grow up.  And that will require a change of politics on this issue.  And it will require that the American people, individually, whether you are a Democrat or a Republican or an independent, when you decide to vote for somebody, are making a determination as to whether this cause of continuing death for innocent people should be a relevant factor in your decision.  If you think this is a problem, then you should expect your elected officials to reflect your views.

And I would particularly ask America’s gun owners -- who are using those guns properly, safely, to hunt, for sport, for protecting their families -- to think about whether your views are properly being represented by the organization that suggests it's speaking for you.

And each time this happens I'm going to bring this up.  Each time this happens I am going to say that we can actually do something about it, but we're going to have to change our laws.  And this is not something I can do by myself.  I've got to have a Congress and I've got to have state legislatures and governors who are willing to work with me on this.  

And this reference to the countries that did not ban all guns but severely restricted them, is as far as I can tell is what he said that makes people say he wants to ban all guns. 

We know that other countries, in response to one mass shooting, have been able to craft laws that almost eliminate mass shootings.  Friends of ours, allies of ours -- Great Britain, Australia, countries like ours. So we know there are ways to prevent it. 

[Scrapper]

How long has he been President? Do you still have your friggin guns? Yeah, you know better. Friggin Chicken Little. Sorry, I'm not sorry... that I have no patience for dumb asses.

[tvguy]

Hypocrisy: The President coming to Roseburg with a full armament of Secret Service and Military defense surrounding him, while trying to sell the need for society to disarm themselves.

I have never heard him say he wants to ban all guns. I have heard him say many times we need to have a discussion on how we can better keep those doing harm with guns from doing so. Again, the NRA or whoever need to start bringing some ideas to the discussion before the time for discussion has passed. 

I would have agreed with you in the past but not anymore. This president has openly said that we need to do something about gun control and then used countries who have banned guns as an example.

Do you REALLY need him to say the exact words "I want to ban guns" .


NRA or whoever need to start bringing some ideas to the discussion before the time for discussion has passed.

Like what?

[Scrapper]

NEWS RELEASE - CITY OF ROSEBURG
OCTOBER 6, 2015

Since the announcement that President Obama may be in the Roseburg area on Friday to meet with the families that lost loved ones at Umpqua Community College, news outlets have been announcing that the President was not welcome in Roseburg. These announcements have included alleged quotes from community leaders. 
Unfortunately, individuals have been claiming to be speaking on behalf of the City of Roseburg. Please be advised that any statements made by individuals other than our elected City of Roseburg officials or our appointed City Manager Colley and Police Chief Burge are misrepresentations.
We wish to be clear that Mayor Rich, City Council President Ryan and the Roseburg City Council welcome the President to Roseburg and will extend him every courtesy.
Please keep the families of the victims and those impacted by this tragedy in your thoughts and prayers.

[Willie Krash]

Hypocrisy: The President coming to Roseburg with a full armament of Secret Service and Military defense surrounding him, while trying to sell the need for society to disarm themselves.

 Perhaps ironic.
 The need for protection is due to the fact there are so many guns. If people will shoot students for no reason so would they a pope, political figure or even John Lennon.
He is not trying to disarm anyone and repeatedly said he believes in the second amendment.

Therein lies the difference.  You believe him.  I know better.

Well don't forget to attend the garage sale on Nov, 1.
Obama will be selling off to police agencies all the guns he didn't collect over the last seven years...
Hey so far everything he has signed has been pro-gun. You know like having guns in National Parks, in your luggage on Amtrak. Hell the Brady Campaign gives him an F....Remember Brady, when Raygun went after guns.

Why are they banned in Federal Buildings and Courthouse? Most Govt buildings in fact? Why?

[cletus1]

Hypocrisy: The President coming to Roseburg with a full armament of Secret Service and Military defense surrounding him, while trying to sell the need for society to disarm themselves.

 Perhaps ironic.
 The need for protection is due to the fact there are so many guns. If people will shoot students for no reason so would they a pope, political figure or even John Lennon.
He is not trying to disarm anyone and repeatedly said he believes in the second amendment.

Therein lies the difference.  You believe him.  I know better.

Well don't forget to attend the garage sale on Nov, 1.
Obama will be selling off to police agencies all the guns he didn't collect over the last seven years...
Hey so far everything he has signed has been pro-gun. You know like having guns in National Parks, in your luggage on Amtrak. Hell the Brady Campaign gives him an F....Remember Brady, when Raygun went after guns.

Why are they banned in Federal Buildings and Courthouse? Most Govt buildings in fact? Why?

Hugo and company believe what they want to believe. In the bubble they live in, those of us that rely on facts are either leftist wackos or naive. There is little help for the willfully ignorant. 

How stupid is it, to think because the president uses an armed secret service for protection, he is hypocritical because he also wants to make gaining access to guns more difficult for some people that shouldn't have them?

[tvguy]

Hypocrisy: The President coming to Roseburg with a full armament of Secret Service and Military defense surrounding him, while trying to sell the need for society to disarm themselves.

 Perhaps ironic.
 The need for protection is due to the fact there are so many guns. If people will shoot students for no reason so would they a pope, political figure or even John Lennon.
He is not trying to disarm anyone and repeatedly said he believes in the second amendment.

Therein lies the difference.  You believe him.  I know better.

Well don't forget to attend the garage sale on Nov, 1.
Obama will be selling off to police agencies all the guns he didn't collect over the last seven years...
Hey so far everything he has signed has been pro-gun. You know like having guns in National Parks, in your luggage on Amtrak. Hell the Brady Campaign gives him an F....Remember Brady, when Raygun went after guns.

Why are they banned in Federal Buildings and Courthouse? Most Govt buildings in fact? Why?

Hugo and company believe what they want to believe. In the bubble they live in, those of us that rely on facts are either leftist wackos or naive. There is little help for the willfully ignorant. 

How stupid is it, to think because the president uses an armed secret service for protection, he is hypocritical because he also wants to make gaining access to guns more difficult for some people that shouldn't have them?

Because he is clearly implying that HE wants to do something like Australia or Britain and those countries have gun bans.
WTF? Believe what we want to believe? I would like to believe that Obama isn't considering gun bans but his words+ common sense and logic are not telling me that.


  he also wants to make gaining access to guns more difficult for some people that shouldn't have them?

That's your words, That's YOU believing what you want to believe.

[cletus1]

 Perhaps ironic.
 The need for protection is due to the fact there are so many guns. If people will shoot students for no reason so would they a pope, political figure or even John Lennon.
He is not trying to disarm anyone and repeatedly said he believes in the second amendment.

Therein lies the difference.  You believe him.  I know better.

Well don't forget to attend the garage sale on Nov, 1.
Obama will be selling off to police agencies all the guns he didn't collect over the last seven years...
Hey so far everything he has signed has been pro-gun. You know like having guns in National Parks, in your luggage on Amtrak. Hell the Brady Campaign gives him an F....Remember Brady, when Raygun went after guns.

Why are they banned in Federal Buildings and Courthouse? Most Govt buildings in fact? Why?

Hugo and company believe what they want to believe. In the bubble they live in, those of us that rely on facts are either leftist wackos or naive. There is little help for the willfully ignorant. 

How stupid is it, to think because the president uses an armed secret service for protection, he is hypocritical because he also wants to make gaining access to guns more difficult for some people that shouldn't have them?

Because he is clearly implying that HE wants to do something like Australia or Britain and those countries have gun bans.
WTF? Believe what we want to believe? I would like to believe that Obama isn't considering gun bans but his words+ common sense and logic are not telling me that.


  he also wants to make gaining access to guns more difficult for some people that shouldn't have them?

That's your words, That's YOU believing what you want to believe.

Consider yourself as dumb as Hugo. 

Obama is not proposing anything yet. What he comes up with will certainly be some type of gun control, just not the type you and Hugo want to believe, which apparently includes Jack booted thugs taking all your guns away. 

Think about it. I am listening to almost everything that is coming out of Obama's mouth and what he is saying is he wants to keep guns out of the hands of people that should not have them. Yet, I am the one believing what I want, while you with your apparent psychic abilities know what Obama really plans to do. OK 

[Hugo]

Therein lies the difference.  You believe him.  I know better.

Well don't forget to attend the garage sale on Nov, 1.
Obama will be selling off to police agencies all the guns he didn't collect over the last seven years...
Hey so far everything he has signed has been pro-gun. You know like having guns in National Parks, in your luggage on Amtrak. Hell the Brady Campaign gives him an F....Remember Brady, when Raygun went after guns.

Why are they banned in Federal Buildings and Courthouse? Most Govt buildings in fact? Why?

Hugo and company believe what they want to believe. In the bubble they live in, those of us that rely on facts are either leftist wackos or naive. There is little help for the willfully ignorant. 

How stupid is it, to think because the president uses an armed secret service for protection, he is hypocritical because he also wants to make gaining access to guns more difficult for some people that shouldn't have them?

Because he is clearly implying that HE wants to do something like Australia or Britain and those countries have gun bans.
WTF? Believe what we want to believe? I would like to believe that Obama isn't considering gun bans but his words+ common sense and logic are not telling me that.


  he also wants to make gaining access to guns more difficult for some people that shouldn't have them?

That's your words, That's YOU believing what you want to believe.

Consider yourself as dumb as Hugo. 

Obama is not proposing anything yet. What he comes up with will certainly be some type of gun control, just not the type you and Hugo want to believe, which apparently includes Jack booted thugs taking all your guns away. 

Think about it. I am listening to almost everything that is coming out of Obama's mouth and what he is saying is he wants to keep guns out of the hands of people that should not have them. Yet, I am the one believing what I want, while you with your apparent psychic abilities know what Obama really plans to do. OK 

Because the Government has never worked incrementally before.......  right?  Like....  until the last few years you couldn't admit to being a socialist in public, now you're putting up Sanders for President.

[Scrapper]

The News-Review

Rather than worry about Obama's visit, how about we pay attention to plans by the whacked out Westboro Baptist Church plans to picket the funerals of the victims? How disgusting is that?
Publisher Jeff Ackerman

[Valuesize]

I would have agreed with you in the past but not anymore. This president has openly said that we need to do something about gun control and then used countries who have banned guns as an example.

Do you REALLY need him to say the exact words "I want to ban guns" .


NRA or whoever need to start bringing some ideas to the discussion before the time for discussion has passed.

Like what?

Like what? FIIK.

[Tiamat]

It's a plot:

[Scrapper]

http://www.nrtoday.com/news/18524706-113...dent-obama

City of Roseburg releases statement welcoming President Obama


The city of Roseburg has released a statement in support of President Barack Obama’s upcoming visit to Roseburg.

“Since the announcement that President Obama may be in the Roseburg area on Friday to meet with the families that lost loved ones at Umpqua Community College, news outlets have been announcing that the president was not welcome in Roseburg,” the statement read. “These announcements have included alleged quotes from community leaders.
“... We wish to be clear that Mayor (Larry) Rich, City Council President (Tom) Ryan and the Roseburg City Council welcome the president to Roseburg and will extend him every courtesy,” the statement said.
President Obama is scheduled to visit Roseburg on Friday to visit the families of the victims from the Umpqua Community College shooting, which killed nine people at the school and injured nine others.
The statement, released shortly before noon Tuesday, comes on the heels of recent statements made on national television that suggest the president would not be well received. David Jaques, the publisher of the Roseburg Beacon, had said that President Obama would not be welcome in Roseburg.
“We’ve talked to dozens upon dozens of citizens, some family members of the victims, our elected officials,” Jaques recently told Bill O’Reilly on his show “The O’Reilly Factor.” “Our Douglas County commissioners, along with our Douglas County-elected sheriff, who is very popular, and our chief of police all came to a consensus language about him not being welcome here for political grandstanding.”
City Councilor Steve Kaser, who oversees the southeastern quadrant of the city, said the comments by Jaques were upsetting.
“When I heard his interview I was appalled. He didn’t speak for us as a council. He didn’t speak for Roseburg,” Kaser said. “We’ve united around this thing. To have somebody like Mr. Jaques make this a political thing — this is a sitting president. I don’t care who he is. You agree with him or not, you have to show respect.”
The statement concluded, “Please keep the families of the victims and those impacted by this tragedy in your thoughts and prayers.”

[tvguy]

Therein lies the difference.  You believe him.  I know better.

Well don't forget to attend the garage sale on Nov, 1.
Obama will be selling off to police agencies all the guns he didn't collect over the last seven years...
Hey so far everything he has signed has been pro-gun. You know like having guns in National Parks, in your luggage on Amtrak. Hell the Brady Campaign gives him an F....Remember Brady, when Raygun went after guns.

Why are they banned in Federal Buildings and Courthouse? Most Govt buildings in fact? Why?

Hugo and company believe what they want to believe. In the bubble they live in, those of us that rely on facts are either leftist wackos or naive. There is little help for the willfully ignorant. 

How stupid is it, to think because the president uses an armed secret service for protection, he is hypocritical because he also wants to make gaining access to guns more difficult for some people that shouldn't have them?

Because he is clearly implying that HE wants to do something like Australia or Britain and those countries have gun bans.
WTF? Believe what we want to believe? I would like to believe that Obama isn't considering gun bans but his words+ common sense and logic are not telling me that.


  he also wants to make gaining access to guns more difficult for some people that shouldn't have them?

That's your words, That's YOU believing what you want to believe.

Consider yourself as dumb as Hugo. 

Obama is not proposing anything yet. What he comes up with will certainly be some type of gun control, just not the type you and Hugo want to believe, which apparently includes Jack booted thugs taking all your guns away. 

Think about it. I am listening to almost everything that is coming out of Obama's mouth and what he is saying is he wants to keep guns out of the hands of people that should not have them. Yet, I am the one believing what I want, while you with your apparent psychic abilities know what Obama really plans to do. OK 

OK I'm dumb but Y0U listened to Obama and heard him say.....

  “We know that other countries, in response to one mass shooting, have been able to craft laws that almost eliminate mass shootings,” the president said. “Friends of ours, allies of ours — Great Britain, Australia, countries like ours. So we know there are ways to prevent it.”


 


 
You listened to that and you still can't or won't admit that he is at the very least considering a gun ban???

If you seriously think one needs psychic abilities to conclude that when Obama says there are ways to prevent mass shooting. That he isn't considering a ban when he says "there are ways to prevent mass shootings' and then talks about “Friends of ours, allies of ours" " countries like ours". Great Britain, Australia  So we know there are ways to prevent it.”

DUH McFly Those countries banned guns!


You actually can read that and not see even the possibility that he wants to ban guns?? And I'm the dumb one

[Wonky3]

Well don't forget to attend the garage sale on Nov, 1.
Obama will be selling off to police agencies all the guns he didn't collect over the last seven years...
Hey so far everything he has signed has been pro-gun. You know like having guns in National Parks, in your luggage on Amtrak. Hell the Brady Campaign gives him an F....Remember Brady, when Raygun went after guns.

Why are they banned in Federal Buildings and Courthouse? Most Govt buildings in fact? Why?

Hugo and company believe what they want to believe. In the bubble they live in, those of us that rely on facts are either leftist wackos or naive. There is little help for the willfully ignorant. 

How stupid is it, to think because the president uses an armed secret service for protection, he is hypocritical because he also wants to make gaining access to guns more difficult for some people that shouldn't have them?

Because he is clearly implying that HE wants to do something like Australia or Britain and those countries have gun bans.
WTF? Believe what we want to believe? I would like to believe that Obama isn't considering gun bans but his words+ common sense and logic are not telling me that.


  he also wants to make gaining access to guns more difficult for some people that shouldn't have them?

That's your words, That's YOU believing what you want to believe.

Consider yourself as dumb as Hugo. 

Obama is not proposing anything yet. What he comes up with will certainly be some type of gun control, just not the type you and Hugo want to believe, which apparently includes Jack booted thugs taking all your guns away. 

Think about it. I am listening to almost everything that is coming out of Obama's mouth and what he is saying is he wants to keep guns out of the hands of people that should not have them. Yet, I am the one believing what I want, while you with your apparent psychic abilities know what Obama really plans to do. OK 

OK I'm dumb but Y0U listened to Obama and heard him say.....

  “We know that other countries, in response to one mass shooting, have been able to craft laws that almost eliminate mass shootings,” the president said. “Friends of ours, allies of ours — Great Britain, Australia, countries like ours. So we know there are ways to prevent it.”


 


 
You listened to that and you still can't or won't admit that he is at the very least considering a gun ban???

If you seriously think one needs psychic abilities to conclude that when Obama says there are ways to prevent mass shooting. That he isn't considering a ban when he says "there are ways to prevent mass shootings' and then talks about “Friends of ours, allies of ours" " countries like ours". Great Britain, Australia  So we know there are ways to prevent it.”

DUH McFly Those countries banned guns!


You actually can read that and not see even the possibility that he wants to ban guns?? And I'm the dumb one

Be serious! Ban guns? That's NEVER going to happen. Our Supreme Court ruled, not all that long ago, that the 2nd amendment means what it says and says what it means. We have the right to own and use guns. 

This president has NEVER said he wanted to "ban" guns. He (and so many others) have talked a lot about legislation to LIMIT how we use guns, who can't have them (felons, for instance), and what we can do to stop the madness of one crazy nut job from shooting up groups of people. (So far no one has a clue) 

But it ain't never gonna happen. There are just too many guns out there already, and politically it's impossible to do anything even close to banning guns. Rest easy. You MAY have to someday give up clips that hold a couple of hundred (  ) steel jacketed bullets, but you will NEVER have to give up your deer gun. 

[Willie Krash]

Because the Government has never worked incrementally before.......  right?  Like....  until the last few years you couldn't admit to being a socialist in public, now you're putting up Sanders for President.

I bought some pot yesterday. Clean and cheap. Told the guy I waited 50 years for this.....
For seven years all I hear is Obama wants our guns. He is running out of time.
Sanders is his own dog, its social change not gov't.

Sanders is drawing large crowds and crossover voters. This wasn't done by the gov't its done by a party.
The GOP and Tea Party with their extreme rightwing agenda propels Sanders.
This is what gave the conservatives Trump and the progressives Sanders, thank you.

[tvguy]

Be serious! Ban guns? That's NEVER going to happen. Our Supreme Court ruled, not all that long ago, that the 2nd amendment means what it says and says what it means. We have the right to own and use guns. 

This president has NEVER said he wanted to "ban" guns. He (and so many others) have talked a lot about legislation to LIMIT how we use guns, who can't have them (felons, for instance), and what we can do to stop the madness of one crazy nut job from shooting up groups of people. (So far no one has a clue) 

But it ain't never gonna happen. There are just too many guns out there already, and politically it's impossible to do anything even close to banning guns. Rest easy. You MAY have to someday give up clips that hold a couple of hundred (  ) steel jacketed bullets, but you will NEVER have to give up your deer gun. 

I haven't ever said banning guns was going to happen. "be serious"? When our? president openly says we have to do something and then points to countries that have banned guns then what in the hell do you think it means??

 2nd amendment means what it says and says what it means.

No I'm sorry but there are lots of idiots, err I mean people who dispute the meaning of the second amendment.
I've seen it right here on this forum, Where have you been?


This president has NEVER said he wanted to "ban" guns.

Holy crap how many people are going to keep saying that??  I never said Obama said he was going to ban guns.
I would have thought that by now it was obvious that he would like too based on what he DID say.


He (and so many others) have talked a lot about legislation to LIMIT how we use guns, who can't have them (felons, for instance), and what we can do to stop the madness of one crazy nut job from shooting up groups of people.
 
Yes he (Obama) has indeed talked about legislation to LIMIT how we use guns. But when he points to our allied countries who have banned guns and says "So we know there are ways to prevent it.”

What the hell do you think that means??

[tvguy]

I bought some pot yesterday. Clean and cheap. 

How cheap?

[Scrapper]

Douglas County Commissioners: 'We await the president's arrival & look forward to his support'

By Kristin Goodwillie Published: Oct 7, 2015 at 5:39 PM PDT



Douglas County Commissioners issue statement on President Barack Obama's upcoming visit to Roseburg: Tim Freman, Susan Morgan & Chris Boice
ROSEBURG, Ore. -- Douglas County commissioners called an impromptu meeting Wednesday afternoon, issuing an official statement concerning the president’s upcoming visit Friday.
 
Tuesday, Roseburg Mayor Larry Rich and city councilors said in a statement that they will extend the president every courtesy.

This comes after City of Roseburg officials said some news outlets were reporting that the president was not welcome in Roseburg.
 
“Regardless of our differences with the president on policy issues, we await the president's arrival and look forward to his support for a community that is grieving and whose heartache is immeasurable, especially for the families of those killed,” said commissioner Susan Morgan.

She ended by thanking everyone for the outpouring of support they've received from around the state and nation.

http://www.kpic.com/news/local/Douglas-C...73261.html