Hope for redistricting?
#1
From NPR this morning (12/4) a glimmer of hope in changing this lousy way of setting our congressional districts using state legislatures. 

Or maybe not: Change is slow. The good news--this has been before a couple of district courts and my find it's way to our SCOTUS. 

http://www.npr.org/2016/12/04/504322023/...istricting


"Gerrymandering is a venerable American tradition. NPR's Ailsa Chang gets the latest on court challenges to this practice from Nicholas Stephanopoulos, a lawyer for a plaintiff in one of the cases". 

...and they report that NO other country on the globe allows politicans to set these boundries. 

and more:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/03/opinio...eft-region
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#2
"No other country..." blah blah blah. Start trying to win local and state elections in moderate or even conservative states. NPR will not be a good source for prescriptive guidance in this area, going forward.
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#3
(12-06-2016, 09:04 PM)Big Rock Wrote: "No other country..." blah blah blah. Start trying to win local and state elections in moderate or even conservative states. NPR will not be a good source for prescriptive guidance in this area, going forward.
What's wrong with you? That straight down the middle, none biased, pure as the wind driven snow outfit know as npr..... who could be better?

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(12-06-2016, 09:32 PM)capitalist pig Wrote:
(12-06-2016, 09:04 PM)Big Rock Wrote: "No other country..." blah blah blah. Start trying to win local and state elections in moderate or even conservative states. NPR will not be a good source for prescriptive guidance in this area, going forward.
What's wrong with you?  That straight down the middle, none biased, pure as the wind driven snow outfit know as npr..... who could be better?

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#5
(12-06-2016, 09:32 PM)capitalist pig Wrote:
(12-06-2016, 09:04 PM)Big Rock Wrote: "No other country..." blah blah blah. Start trying to win local and state elections in moderate or even conservative states. NPR will not be a good source for prescriptive guidance in this area, going forward.
What's wrong with you?  That straight down the middle, none biased, pure as the wind driven snow outfit know as npr..... who could be better?

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Your sarcasm is unnecessary. 

If you listened, you heard "Journalistic Content". It didn't expose or criticize any political party or ideal. They reported about the problems with the way we "Gerrymander" our congressional districts. They did mention that the Republican Party has more "skin in the game" (as it were) but that's because the GOP has been so very effective in electing people to state legislatures  where these decisions are made. And that's not to fault the GOP: That's politics and they have drubbed the Dems in this. 

I'm thinking that your bias toward NPR has distracted you from the important context of this production. And, that's just plain sad, because it's a down home fact that Gerrymandering is perhaps the factor most responsible for the gridlock in our government. 

You may have heard in this podcast that the U.S. is the ONLY democracy in the WORLD who selects our representive body in this way. 

But, I will never overcome your bias. 

So be it.
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#6
(12-06-2016, 10:02 PM)Wonky3 Wrote:
(12-06-2016, 09:32 PM)capitalist pig Wrote:
(12-06-2016, 09:04 PM)Big Rock Wrote: "No other country..." blah blah blah. Start trying to win local and state elections in moderate or even conservative states. NPR will not be a good source for prescriptive guidance in this area, going forward.
What's wrong with you?  That straight down the middle, none biased, pure as the wind driven snow outfit know as npr..... who could be better?

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Your sarcasm is unnecessary. 

If you listened, you heard "Journalistic Content". It didn't expose or criticize any political party or ideal. They reported about the problems with the way we "Gerrymander" our congressional districts. They did mention that the Republican Party has more "skin in the game" (as it were) but that's because the GOP has been so very effective in electing people to state legislatures  where these decisions are made. And that's not to fault the GOP: That's politics and they have drubbed the Dems in this. 

I'm thinking that your bias toward NPR has distracted you from the important context of this production. And, that's just plain sad, because it's a down home fact that Gerrymandering is perhaps the factor most responsible for the gridlock in our government. 

You may have heard in this podcast that the U.S. is the ONLY democracy in the WORLD who selects our representive body in this way. 

But, I will never overcome your bias. 

So be it.

 Too funny. Listen to NPR and it's calm intelligent soft spoken people. But these guys prefer Rush, Mark Levine. Michael Savage, Hannity and all  the other far right zealot screaming loudmouths who make a living making people angry.
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(12-07-2016, 05:51 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(12-06-2016, 10:02 PM)Wonky3 Wrote:
(12-06-2016, 09:32 PM)capitalist pig Wrote:
(12-06-2016, 09:04 PM)Big Rock Wrote: "No other country..." blah blah blah. Start trying to win local and state elections in moderate or even conservative states. NPR will not be a good source for prescriptive guidance in this area, going forward.
What's wrong with you?  That straight down the middle, none biased, pure as the wind driven snow outfit know as npr..... who could be better?

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Your sarcasm is unnecessary. 

If you listened, you heard "Journalistic Content". It didn't expose or criticize any political party or ideal. They reported about the problems with the way we "Gerrymander" our congressional districts. They did mention that the Republican Party has more "skin in the game" (as it were) but that's because the GOP has been so very effective in electing people to state legislatures  where these decisions are made. And that's not to fault the GOP: That's politics and they have drubbed the Dems in this. 

I'm thinking that your bias toward NPR has distracted you from the important context of this production. And, that's just plain sad, because it's a down home fact that Gerrymandering is perhaps the factor most responsible for the gridlock in our government. 

You may have heard in this podcast that the U.S. is the ONLY democracy in the WORLD who selects our representive body in this way. 

But, I will never overcome your bias. 

So be it.

 Too funny. Listen to NPR and it's calm intelligent soft spoken people. But these guys prefer Rush, Mark Levine. Michael Savage, Hannity and all  the other far right zealot screaming loudmouths who make a living making people angry.

Bullshit, spoken softly, is still bullshit.
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#8
Do you think you'll ever hear anything about this on mellifluous, agenda-driven, publically-subsidized NPR?

Quote:How Union Bosses Sold Out Their Workers
The 2016 election exposed deep divisions in America, but none deeper than that between the leadership of organized labor and its membership. Union bosses spent some $100 million in member dues to try and elect Hillary Clinton and other Democrats across the country. It wasn’t money well-spent.
This disconnect between Democratic elites, their union boss pals and rank-and-file union members has been a long time coming. Decades ago, organized labor made a pact with the Democratic Party. Democrats would support legislation approved by the union leadership and in return labor leaders would support Democratic politicians and liberal causes, even when those candidates and causes were objectionable to most of their members.
The labor agenda became nearly indistinguishable from that of the East Coast liberals and Hollywood elites who run the Democratic Party. This agenda focused on climate change, immigration reform, and liberal cultural issues rather than working to improve their members’ economic condition. This was particularly true when it came to public employee unions that are especially close to Democratic politicians who control government purse strings.
But Democrats and public-sector union bosses sowed the seeds of their mutual destruction in Wisconsin and Michigan where public employee pay, benefits and pensions were threatening to bankrupt the states. In reaction, Governors Scott Walker and Rick Snyder and legislative Republicans passed collective bargaining reforms and right-to-work laws that gave workers the right to opt out of paying union dues.
Democrats thought Republicans had done them a favor by energizing labor activists. They set out to recall Walker, and unions mobilized their members to hold massive protests. But a funny thing happened: In union-heavy Wisconsin, Walker not only survived the recall rather handily, he went on to win re-election again in 2012. So did Rick Snyder in Michigan, one of the most union-heavy states in the country. In the meantime, workers keep leaving private-sector unions in droves.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/article...32515.html
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#9
(12-07-2016, 06:21 PM)Hugo Wrote:
(12-07-2016, 05:51 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(12-06-2016, 10:02 PM)Wonky3 Wrote:
(12-06-2016, 09:32 PM)capitalist pig Wrote:
(12-06-2016, 09:04 PM)Big Rock Wrote: "No other country..." blah blah blah. Start trying to win local and state elections in moderate or even conservative states. NPR will not be a good source for prescriptive guidance in this area, going forward.
What's wrong with you?  That straight down the middle, none biased, pure as the wind driven snow outfit know as npr..... who could be better?

Sent from my SM-G920R4 using Tapatalk

Your sarcasm is unnecessary. 

If you listened, you heard "Journalistic Content". It didn't expose or criticize any political party or ideal. They reported about the problems with the way we "Gerrymander" our congressional districts. They did mention that the Republican Party has more "skin in the game" (as it were) but that's because the GOP has been so very effective in electing people to state legislatures  where these decisions are made. And that's not to fault the GOP: That's politics and they have drubbed the Dems in this. 

I'm thinking that your bias toward NPR has distracted you from the important context of this production. And, that's just plain sad, because it's a down home fact that Gerrymandering is perhaps the factor most responsible for the gridlock in our government. 

You may have heard in this podcast that the U.S. is the ONLY democracy in the WORLD who selects our representive body in this way. 

But, I will never overcome your bias. 

So be it.

 Too funny. Listen to NPR and it's calm intelligent soft spoken people. But these guys prefer Rush, Mark Levine. Michael Savage, Hannity and all  the other far right zealot screaming loudmouths who make a living making people angry.

Bullshit, spoken softly, is still bullshit.
Well of course but it's not all bullshit and if you can't see there is less bullshit on NPR than most of those screaming clowns on AM radio then you have issues with reality.

Unlike most other radio programs NPR doesn't spend all it's time on right versus left issues.They actually have guests and interview them, Musicians, Novelists ETC.

And when they do have someone on the left talking politics I don't see then constantly trying to infer everyone on the right has a mental disorder or any of the other totally divisive garbage that is constantly spewed by AM radio entertainers.
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#10
(12-07-2016, 07:04 PM)Big Rock Wrote: Do you think you'll ever hear anything about this on mellifluous, agenda-driven, publically-subsidized NPR?

Quote:How Union Bosses Sold Out Their Workers
The 2016 election exposed deep divisions in America, but none deeper than that between the leadership of organized labor and its membership. Union bosses spent some $100 million in member dues to try and elect Hillary Clinton and other Democrats across the country. It wasn’t money well-spent.
This disconnect between Democratic elites, their union boss pals and rank-and-file union members has been a long time coming. Decades ago, organized labor made a pact with the Democratic Party. Democrats would support legislation approved by the union leadership and in return labor leaders would support Democratic politicians and liberal causes, even when those candidates and causes were objectionable to most of their members.
The labor agenda became nearly indistinguishable from that of the East Coast liberals and Hollywood elites who run the Democratic Party. This agenda focused on climate change, immigration reform, and liberal cultural issues rather than working to improve their members’ economic condition. This was particularly true when it came to public employee unions that are especially close to Democratic politicians who control government purse strings.
But Democrats and public-sector union bosses sowed the seeds of their mutual destruction in Wisconsin and Michigan where public employee pay, benefits and pensions were threatening to bankrupt the states. In reaction, Governors Scott Walker and Rick Snyder and legislative Republicans passed collective bargaining reforms and right-to-work laws that gave workers the right to opt out of paying union dues.
Democrats thought Republicans had done them a favor by energizing labor activists. They set out to recall Walker, and unions mobilized their members to hold massive protests. But a funny thing happened: In union-heavy Wisconsin, Walker not only survived the recall rather handily, he went on to win re-election again in 2012. So did Rick Snyder in Michigan, one of the most union-heavy states in the country. In the meantime, workers keep leaving private-sector unions in droves.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/article...32515.html

Well, public television covered all that without the extra opinion.
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