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Ten SHTF Threats Not Prepared For by Preppers - Clone - 08-24-2012

Okay, SHTF stands for Shit Hits the Fan.
I really have started my food storage, mainly because of rising prices and scarcity that could be coming.
I want to be reasonable about being prepared.
Is there a middle ground between being a camoflauge, military boot wearing freak who only thinks of prepping and survival while building a fortress in the Idaho panhandle and just being completely oblivious, following the yellow brick road?
I want to take this stuff seriously...but, man, they sure see the worst is their fellow man!
I think most of us will work together to survive.
Silly me?
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When planning for a SHTF scenario, there’s really only one thing that we can be sure of; Survival will be a bigger challenge than you ever believed possible. While you can defiantly take measures to prepare yourself for what’s to come, when you’re talking about a SHTF scenario, all bets are really off.
Here are 10 things that you may have never considered when planning for a SHTF survival situation.

Law Enforcement Issues

1. No Law Enforcement
During an extreme SHTF scenario, it is very likely that law enforcement and emergency responders will be nonexistent. Even during small scale disasters, law enforcement officers often leave to take care of their own families first. When things go bad (empty grocery stores, no utilities, mass riots, violence, etc.) you are more than likely going to have to defend yourself.

2. Fake Law Enforcement
In a SHTF Scenario you need to be on the lookout for everything including people impersonating law enforcement and military personnel. During a catastrophic event, you will most likely see criminals preying on the innocent by pretending to be either police or military officers. You have to be able to quickly determine who is who, or stay away from people at all costs
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3. Law Enforcement and the Military Will Try to Take Your Guns.
Think it can’t happen? It already has! In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, New Orleans Police Superintendent Eddie Compass ordered all local law enforcement, including the U.S. Marshalls office and the National Guard, to seize all civilian firearms.

Without warrants, armed National Guard troops and New Orleans law enforcement officials forcibly confiscated over 1,000 legal firearms from law abiding citizens. The New Orleans gun confiscation should serve as a warning to how the government and law enforcement officials will react during a large scale national disaster. It is extremely likely that they will come for your guns!

Personal Safety Issues

4. Gangs & Raiders
If things go bad, there will likely be more people who mean to do you harm than there will be people who are prepared. This is something that you must accept and learn to deal with. The fact is, most people have no idea what it really takes to survive and once their safety net is removed they will become increasingly desperate and unpredictable.

Let’s face it, even during the good times there’s a certain segment of our population that’s just downright insane. From the idiots who go nuts and riot after their team loses a game, to the violent criminals and gangs who are already terrorizing big cities throughout America, there’s little doubt that a total collapse would make urban living almost impossible.

5. You need to be able to Defend Yourself.

During an extreme emergency situation the lunatics of the world are going to be roaming the streets looking for easy victims to target. If you’re serious about survival, you need to train yourself in multiple self-defense styles and techniques. This means arming yourself with not only weapons, but also with the knowledge of how to defend yourself without them
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Sanitation Issues

6. Garbage will become a Killer.

This is a topic that’s not often discussed, but it’s one that will probably become a real problem during a SHTF situation. Often, people who talk about urban survival worry about things like raiders and roaming gangs, but the real danger might actually come from something that you already have in your home - Garbage

7. You have to Stock up on Sanitation Items
When planning to survive in any long-term survival situation, one thing that’s often overlooked is the dangers associated with a lack of adequate sanitation. I know it’s not a pleasant thing to think about, but this one issue has the potential to kill more people than any other survival topic that we can talk about.

Mental & Physical Health Issues

8. Maintaining a Positive Mental Attitude during a Survival Situation

The ability to maintain a positive mental attitude during a survival situation is something that needs to be taking seriously. It’s also something that you need to start working on now, before the SHTF.

Making it through a survival scenario often comes down to how well you can control your emotions. Keeping a positive frame of mind, even in the face of an unthinkable threat, will help you process what’s happening and will help you respond to the situation without giving into fear.

9. You must be prepared to face a number of physical and mental challenges.
From dealing with a lack of sleep and inadequate hydration, to coping with hunger pains and other stressors, survival can take a huge toll on your body. One of the best things you can do to ensure your survival, in just about any situation, is to make sure your body and your mind are trained to survive. This means motivating yourself to get off your butt and get in shape now, before it’s to late
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Communication Issues

10. You will be cut off from the outside World.

In a survival situation, knowledge is going to be a critical factor in determining the ultimate outcome of your situation. The ability to be able to predict what will happen in a survival situation is an important part of being prepared and often comes down to your ability to send and receive information.

When the power lines go down and the radio stations stop transmitting, there’s one line of communication that will still be alive and well. Having a good Multiband Ham Radio will allow you to send and receive critical emergency information during a disaster. It’s also a great way to find alternative news sources from around the world.
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http://offgridsurvival.com/shtfprepperthreats/


RE: Ten SHTF Threats Not Prepared For by Preppers - Tiamat - 08-24-2012

Sounds like an argument for second amendment to me.


RE: Ten SHTF Threats Not Prepared For by Preppers - Larry - 08-24-2012

And when I was saying this 2-3 years ago, you called me mad....

LMAO. Welcome to Armageddon.


RE: Ten SHTF Threats Not Prepared For by Preppers - Larry - 08-24-2012

(08-24-2012, 09:05 PM)Tiamat Wrote: Sounds like an argument for second amendment to me.

Amen. Wink

(ps.. when the SHTF, you know.....)


RE: Ten SHTF Threats Not Prepared For by Preppers - Tiamat - 08-24-2012

When you look at SHTF scenarios, remembering Katrina isn't a bad way to go as a worse case scenario. A best case scenario? The flood in Iowa/Illinois not long after Katrina where folk worked together. Japan? Where folks didn't panic, didn't horde and worked cooperatively. The Mormons prepare quietly without much fanfare but in a serious way.


RE: Ten SHTF Threats Not Prepared For by Preppers - Tiamat - 08-24-2012

(08-24-2012, 09:06 PM)Larry Wrote: And when I was saying this 2-3 years ago, you called me mad....

LMAO. Welcome to Armageddon.

Wait, I called you mad? As in insane? Well.....you can't argue with brilliance.


RE: Ten SHTF Threats Not Prepared For by Preppers - chuck white - 08-24-2012

I have a big pit, ready to bury the bodies.


RE: Ten SHTF Threats Not Prepared For by Preppers - Tiamat - 08-24-2012

(08-24-2012, 09:10 PM)chuck white Wrote: I have a big pit, ready to bury the bodies.

See garden thread.


RE: Ten SHTF Threats Not Prepared For by Preppers - Larry - 08-24-2012

(08-24-2012, 09:09 PM)Tiamat Wrote:
(08-24-2012, 09:06 PM)Larry Wrote: And when I was saying this 2-3 years ago, you called me mad....

LMAO. Welcome to Armageddon.

Wait, I called you mad? As in insane? Well.....you can't argue with brilliance.

Sorry, that was for Clone....


RE: Ten SHTF Threats Not Prepared For by Preppers - tvguy - 08-24-2012

(08-24-2012, 09:08 PM)Tiamat Wrote: When you look at SHTF scenarios, remembering Katrina isn't a bad way to go as a worse case scenario. A best case scenario? The flood in Iowa/Illinois not long after Katrina where folk worked together. Japan? Where folks didn't panic, didn't horde and worked cooperatively. The Mormons prepare quietly without much fanfare but in a serious way.

I'm not saying you are but you are close to comparing a bunch of rich farmers in Iowa/Illinois with thousands of acres of land who probably ALL had vehicles and money to a inundated city full of destitute people who were basically trapped.

And the death toll in Death Toll in Iowa was like 5 and from katrina almost 2000.


RE: Ten SHTF Threats Not Prepared For by Preppers - Tiamat - 08-24-2012

(08-24-2012, 09:23 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(08-24-2012, 09:08 PM)Tiamat Wrote: When you look at SHTF scenarios, remembering Katrina isn't a bad way to go as a worse case scenario. A best case scenario? The flood in Iowa/Illinois not long after Katrina where folk worked together. Japan? Where folks didn't panic, didn't horde and worked cooperatively. The Mormons prepare quietly without much fanfare but in a serious way.

I'm not saying you are but you are close to comparing a bunch of rich farmers in Iowa/Illinois with thousands of acres of land who probably ALL had vehicles and money to a inundated city full of destitute people who were basically trapped.

And the death toll in Death Toll in Iowa was like 5 and from katrina almost 2000.


I said best case scenario. Didn't make any socio economic comparisons.


RE: Ten SHTF Threats Not Prepared For by Preppers - tvguy - 08-24-2012

(08-24-2012, 09:27 PM)Tiamat Wrote:
(08-24-2012, 09:23 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(08-24-2012, 09:08 PM)Tiamat Wrote: When you look at SHTF scenarios, remembering Katrina isn't a bad way to go as a worse case scenario. A best case scenario? The flood in Iowa/Illinois not long after Katrina where folk worked together. Japan? Where folks didn't panic, didn't horde and worked cooperatively. The Mormons prepare quietly without much fanfare but in a serious way.

I'm not saying you are but you are close to comparing a bunch of rich farmers in Iowa/Illinois with thousands of acres of land who probably ALL had vehicles and money to a inundated city full of destitute people who were basically trapped.

And the death toll in Death Toll in Iowa was like 5 and from katrina almost 2000.


I said best case scenario. Didn't make any socio economic comparisons.

I said you were close. You were.

You mention Iowa where white people worked together.

And you mention katrina along with "panic and hoard" which brings to mind New Orleans.

These two disasters were used by racists to describe the difference in how whites and blacks behaved in supposedly the same situations.


RE: Ten SHTF Threats Not Prepared For by Preppers - Tiamat - 08-24-2012

(08-24-2012, 09:33 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(08-24-2012, 09:27 PM)Tiamat Wrote:
(08-24-2012, 09:23 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(08-24-2012, 09:08 PM)Tiamat Wrote: When you look at SHTF scenarios, remembering Katrina isn't a bad way to go as a worse case scenario. A best case scenario? The flood in Iowa/Illinois not long after Katrina where folk worked together. Japan? Where folks didn't panic, didn't horde and worked cooperatively. The Mormons prepare quietly without much fanfare but in a serious way.

I'm not saying you are but you are close to comparing a bunch of rich farmers in Iowa/Illinois with thousands of acres of land who probably ALL had vehicles and money to a inundated city full of destitute people who were basically trapped.

And the death toll in Death Toll in Iowa was like 5 and from katrina almost 2000.


I said best case scenario. Didn't make any socio economic comparisons.

I said you were close. You were.

You mention Iowa where white people worked together.

And you mention katrina along with "panic and hoard" which brings to mind New Orleans.

These two disasters were used by racists to describe the difference in how whites and blacks behaved in supposedly the same situations.


Actually, TV, I said panic and hoard in reference to Japan. As in not. And, hey, you're the one always saying most crime is from poor, black folk. Not me.


RE: Ten SHTF Threats Not Prepared For by Preppers - Leonard - 08-24-2012

(08-24-2012, 09:34 PM)Tiamat Wrote:
(08-24-2012, 09:33 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(08-24-2012, 09:27 PM)Tiamat Wrote:
(08-24-2012, 09:23 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(08-24-2012, 09:08 PM)Tiamat Wrote: When you look at SHTF scenarios, remembering Katrina isn't a bad way to go as a worse case scenario. A best case scenario? The flood in Iowa/Illinois not long after Katrina where folk worked together. Japan? Where folks didn't panic, didn't horde and worked cooperatively. The Mormons prepare quietly without much fanfare but in a serious way.

I'm not saying you are but you are close to comparing a bunch of rich farmers in Iowa/Illinois with thousands of acres of land who probably ALL had vehicles and money to a inundated city full of destitute people who were basically trapped.

And the death toll in Death Toll in Iowa was like 5 and from katrina almost 2000.


I said best case scenario. Didn't make any socio economic comparisons.

I said you were close. You were.

You mention Iowa where white people worked together.

And you mention katrina along with "panic and hoard" which brings to mind New Orleans.

These two disasters were used by racists to describe the difference in how whites and blacks behaved in supposedly the same situations.


Actually, TV, I said panic and hoard in reference to Japan. As in not. And, hey, you're the one always saying most crime is from poor, black folk. Not me.

I think Barbara Bush, speaking on behalf of most Republicans was the spokesperson for US racism during Katrina when she said the poor, mostly black people never had it so good when they were stuck in the Stadium during the storm.


RE: Ten SHTF Threats Not Prepared For by Preppers - Larry - 08-24-2012

(08-24-2012, 09:40 PM)Leonard Wrote:
(08-24-2012, 09:34 PM)Tiamat Wrote:
(08-24-2012, 09:33 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(08-24-2012, 09:27 PM)Tiamat Wrote:
(08-24-2012, 09:23 PM)tvguy Wrote: I'm not saying you are but you are close to comparing a bunch of rich farmers in Iowa/Illinois with thousands of acres of land who probably ALL had vehicles and money to a inundated city full of destitute people who were basically trapped.

And the death toll in Death Toll in Iowa was like 5 and from katrina almost 2000.


I said best case scenario. Didn't make any socio economic comparisons.

I said you were close. You were.

You mention Iowa where white people worked together.

And you mention katrina along with "panic and hoard" which brings to mind New Orleans.

These two disasters were used by racists to describe the difference in how whites and blacks behaved in supposedly the same situations.


Actually, TV, I said panic and hoard in reference to Japan. As in not. And, hey, you're the one always saying most crime is from poor, black folk. Not me.

I think Barbara Bush, speaking on behalf of most Republicans was the spokesperson for US racism during Katrina when she said the poor, mostly black people never had it so good when they were stuck in the Stadium during the storm.

Can you cite that from somewhere?


RE: Ten SHTF Threats Not Prepared For by Preppers - Tiamat - 08-24-2012

That's a paraphrase. Here's what she said:
Quote:What I'm hearing, which is sort of scary, is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is so overwhelmed by the hospitality. And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this is working very well for them.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/barbara2.asp


RE: Ten SHTF Threats Not Prepared For by Preppers - tvguy - 08-24-2012

Quote: Tia... Actually, TV, I said panic and hoard in reference to Japan.

OK then my mistake although the way you worded it still sounded to me like you were CLOSE to comparing Iowa to New Orleans like the racial Internet stuff I spoke of.



Quote: As in not. And, hey, you're the one always saying most crime is from poor, black folk. Not me.

That's true I don't say that to criticize blacks as a race. You know that. I brought it up at times when others like to compare our country to other countries.


RE: Ten SHTF Threats Not Prepared For by Preppers - tvguy - 08-24-2012

(08-24-2012, 09:49 PM)Tiamat Wrote: That's a paraphrase. Here's what she said:
Quote:What I'm hearing, which is sort of scary, is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is so overwhelmed by the hospitality. And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this is working very well for them.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/barbara2.asp

LaughingLaughing The old broad still stepped on her tongue.


RE: Ten SHTF Threats Not Prepared For by Preppers - Tiamat - 08-24-2012

(08-24-2012, 09:53 PM)tvguy Wrote:
Quote: Tia... Actually, TV, I said panic and hoard in reference to Japan.

OK then my mistake although the way you worded it still sounded to me like you were CLOSE to comparing Iowa to New Orleans like the racial Internet stuff I spoke of.



Quote: As in not. And, hey, you're the one always saying most crime is from poor, black folk. Not me.

That's true I don't say that to criticize blacks as a race. You know that. I brought it up at times when others like to compare our country to other countries.

I'm not going there. Just saying.


RE: Ten SHTF Threats Not Prepared For by Preppers - Larry - 08-24-2012

(08-24-2012, 09:49 PM)Tiamat Wrote: That's a paraphrase. Here's what she said:
Quote:What I'm hearing, which is sort of scary, is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is so overwhelmed by the hospitality. And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this is working very well for them.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/barbara2.asp

I don't take that as meaning they should be happy living in a stadium. I take that as meaning they were welcomed in Texas and the prospect of moving back to New Orleans might not be a choice they desired?