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RE: Record Breaking Weather - Wonky3 - 07-10-2016
(07-10-2016, 12:18 PM)tvguy Wrote:"If you look at the hottest recorded temperatures all over the planet almost all of the old records were topped and were set relatively recently. Lots were set in 2015. " (from your post above)(07-09-2016, 09:43 PM)Wonky3 Wrote: Well, we all (reasonable folks) understand that our climate is going to be changing. This many people putting that much carbon in the atmosphere is doing it, without a doubt.
Our only arguement is about the weather and if recent weather extremes suggest our climate has already changed.
And I doubt we will ever agree about the difference.
Without a doubt, in the near future (if not already) extreme weather will be the result of climate change and it will be pure fact.
It's been fun.
Our only arguement is about the weather and if recent weather extremes suggest our climate has already changed.
Well I still don't understand the "argument" I guess you are saying it could be way hotter than normal on any given day and that doesn't really mean anything.
I get that.U guess. I'm talking about consistent warmer than normal temps day after day and week after week.
If you look at the hottest recorded temperatures all over the planet almost all of the old records were topped and were set relatively recently. Lots were set in 2015.
But if you look at records cold temps most of the old records still stand.
True enough. May mean something about climate change. May not. We have been keeping weather records for about a hundred years. That's a blink of an eye when seen in the age of the planet.
So to repeat: We've had climate changes before. (Cycles, caused by various natural events)
But NOW we (mankind) are messing up the air with lots of carbon and there is no doubt we are going to effect the climate.
Has it happened? Maybe. But recent record high temps don't prove it yet. It may be another "cycle". Probably not, but the science tells us we can't be ABSOULTELY sure yet that the climate has changed, but they know ABSOLUTELY we are on our way to effecting it...for the worse in most places.
Won't be long. Science is neat stuff, and at the end of the day they will get it right. And in time they will also be able to explain why in some places the temps are going to be cooler andt things wetter.
Not easy stuff.
RE: Record Breaking Weather - tvguy - 07-10-2016
(07-10-2016, 04:30 PM)Wonky3 Wrote:(07-10-2016, 12:18 PM)tvguy Wrote:"If you look at the hottest recorded temperatures all over the planet almost all of the old records were topped and were set relatively recently. Lots were set in 2015. " (from your post above)(07-09-2016, 09:43 PM)Wonky3 Wrote: Well, we all (reasonable folks) understand that our climate is going to be changing. This many people putting that much carbon in the atmosphere is doing it, without a doubt.
Our only arguement is about the weather and if recent weather extremes suggest our climate has already changed.
And I doubt we will ever agree about the difference.
Without a doubt, in the near future (if not already) extreme weather will be the result of climate change and it will be pure fact.
It's been fun.
Our only arguement is about the weather and if recent weather extremes suggest our climate has already changed.
Well I still don't understand the "argument" I guess you are saying it could be way hotter than normal on any given day and that doesn't really mean anything.
I get that.U guess. I'm talking about consistent warmer than normal temps day after day and week after week.
If you look at the hottest recorded temperatures all over the planet almost all of the old records were topped and were set relatively recently. Lots were set in 2015.
But if you look at records cold temps most of the old records still stand.
True enough. May mean something about climate change. May not. We have been keeping weather records for about a hundred years. That's a blink of an eye when seen in the age of the planet.
So to repeat: We've had climate changes before. (Cycles, caused by various natural events)
But NOW we (mankind) are messing up the air with lots of carbon and there is no doubt we are going to effect the climate.
Has it happened? Maybe. But recent record high temps don't prove it yet. It may be another "cycle". Probably not, but the science tells us we can't be ABSOULTELY sure yet that the climate has changed, but they know ABSOLUTELY we are on our way to effecting it...for the worse in most places.
Won't be long. Science is neat stuff, and at the end of the day they will get it right. And in time they will also be able to explain why in some places the temps are going to be cooler andt things wetter.
Not easy stuff.
True enough. May mean something about climate change. May not. We have been keeping weather records for about a hundred years. That's a blink of an eye when seen in the age of the planet.
Holy crap Wonky the last time You said this only a hundred year of records theory of yours I posted this.......
Did you even look? There are more ways of knowing the past temperatures than someone writing it down.
![[Image: 2000_Year_Temperature_Comparison.png]](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/2000_Year_Temperature_Comparison.png)
RE: Record Breaking Weather - Wonky3 - 07-10-2016
(07-10-2016, 05:35 PM)tvguy Wrote:(07-10-2016, 04:30 PM)Wonky3 Wrote:(07-10-2016, 12:18 PM)tvguy Wrote:"If you look at the hottest recorded temperatures all over the planet almost all of the old records were topped and were set relatively recently. Lots were set in 2015. " (from your post above)(07-09-2016, 09:43 PM)Wonky3 Wrote: Well, we all (reasonable folks) understand that our climate is going to be changing. This many people putting that much carbon in the atmosphere is doing it, without a doubt.
Our only arguement is about the weather and if recent weather extremes suggest our climate has already changed.
And I doubt we will ever agree about the difference.
Without a doubt, in the near future (if not already) extreme weather will be the result of climate change and it will be pure fact.
It's been fun.
Our only arguement is about the weather and if recent weather extremes suggest our climate has already changed.
Well I still don't understand the "argument" I guess you are saying it could be way hotter than normal on any given day and that doesn't really mean anything.
I get that.U guess. I'm talking about consistent warmer than normal temps day after day and week after week.
If you look at the hottest recorded temperatures all over the planet almost all of the old records were topped and were set relatively recently. Lots were set in 2015.
But if you look at records cold temps most of the old records still stand.
True enough. May mean something about climate change. May not. We have been keeping weather records for about a hundred years. That's a blink of an eye when seen in the age of the planet.
So to repeat: We've had climate changes before. (Cycles, caused by various natural events)
But NOW we (mankind) are messing up the air with lots of carbon and there is no doubt we are going to effect the climate.
Has it happened? Maybe. But recent record high temps don't prove it yet. It may be another "cycle". Probably not, but the science tells us we can't be ABSOULTELY sure yet that the climate has changed, but they know ABSOLUTELY we are on our way to effecting it...for the worse in most places.
Won't be long. Science is neat stuff, and at the end of the day they will get it right. And in time they will also be able to explain why in some places the temps are going to be cooler andt things wetter.
Not easy stuff.
True enough. May mean something about climate change. May not. We have been keeping weather records for about a hundred years. That's a blink of an eye when seen in the age of the planet.
Holy crap Wonky the last time You said this only a hundred year of records theory of yours I posted this.......
Did you even look? There are more ways of knowing the past temperatures than someone writing it down.
Wouldn't you agree this is getting a little tedious? But, we will carry on.
The chart above shows "temperature anomalies" not recorded temperatures. But, I as said earlier, we know there have been climate changes before brought on by natural events. I'm not suggesting that there have not been changes in climate, but I seriously doubt that science can do any more than track the "anomalies" of the past. But, it may be a fact that the real temperatures recently are higher than in recored history...it's also a fact that we don't that for sure, only that there were "anomalies:
"something that deviates from what is standard, normal, or expected:" says Webster.
But I don't want to make a federal case out of this. Perhaps I'm wrong. Maybe I'm not. So, try this: Go to a science site and find a group of climate scientists who report than our climate HAS CHANGED, as of TODAY.
What they ALL agree about is that it's changing fast and we better get our act together and stop buring carbon fuel. (Among other things).
New analysis through 2014 shows that temperature is once again rising at about the same pace as it did over the second half of the 20th century. PRESS RELEASE.
Using the data that were available at the time (through 2012), the last climate report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change concluded that there had been no statistically significant increase in global surface temperature from 1998-2012.
According to a new NOAA analysis, the warming trend during that period was somewhat smaller than the longer-term (1951-2012) trend, but it wasn’t zero. And with the latest data calibrations and the most recent two years of global temperatures added to the series—including record-warm 2014—the warming experienced since 1998 is on par with the rate observed in the second half of the 20th century.
Basically, the new analysis confirms what climate scientists have said all along: natural variability (such as the patterns described in this article) may cause the rate of warming to change from one decade to the next, but global warming is still underway.
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/why-did-earth’s-surface-temperature-stop-rising-past-decade
RE: Record Breaking Weather - tvguy - 07-11-2016
Wonky...But I don't want to make a federal case out of this. Perhaps I'm wrong. Maybe I'm not. So, try this: Go to a science site and find a group of climate scientists who report than our climate HAS CHANGED, as of TODAY.
There are glaciers melting turning up bodies that were frozen for 2000 years. Glaciers have shrunk all over the world in one persons lifetime that have been there for thousands of years.
There are islands disappearing as we speak from rising sea levels.
Sea level rise
Global sea level rose about 17 centimeters (6.7 inches) in the last century. The rate in the last decade, however, is nearly double that of the last century.4
Image: Republic of Maldives: Vulnerable to sea level rise
Shrinking ice sheets
The Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets have decreased in mass. Data from NASA's Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment show Greenland lost 150 to 250 cubic kilometers (36 to 60 cubic miles) of ice per year between 2002 and 2006, while Antarctica lost about 152 cubic kilometers (36 cubic miles) of ice between 2002 and 2005.
Image: Flowing meltwater from the Greenland ice sheet
- Declining Arctic sea ice
Both the extent and thickness of Arctic sea ice has declined rapidly over the last several decades.9
Image: Visualization of the 2007 Arctic sea ice minimum
- + EXPAND
- Glacial retreat
Glaciers are retreating almost everywhere around the world — including in the Alps, Himalayas, Andes, Rockies, Alaska and Africa.10
Image: The disappearing snowcap of Mount Kilimanjaro, from space.
The number of record high temperature events in the United States has been increasing, while the number of record low temperature events has been decreasing, since 1950. The U.S. has also witnessed increasing numbers of intense rainfall events.11
Ocean acidification
Since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, the acidity of surface ocean waters has increased by about 30 percent.12,13 This increase is the result of humans emitting more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere and hence more being absorbed into the oceans. The amount of carbon dioxide absorbed by the upper layer of the oceans is increasing by about 2 billion tons per year.14,15
Satellite observations reveal that the amount of spring snow cover in the Northern Hemisphere has decreased over the past five decades and that the snow is melting earlier.16
RE: Record Breaking Weather - chuck white - 07-11-2016
Quote:LUBBOCK, TX (KCBD) -
After a record day of 108 degrees, more heat is headed for the South Plains. Highs are expected to say at or above 100 degrees through Friday of this week.
Tuesday will be a First Alert weather day due to the probability of setting another record high afternoon temperature with a reading of 105 degrees.
Dry southwest winds, sunshine and a strong high pressure system will ensure that the region will not only remain above 100, but also have the potential for some record heat.
Tuesday's record of 105, set in 1933 may either be tied or broken by tomorrow evening.
http://www.kcbd.com/story/32421027/first-alert-weather-day-dangerous-record-heat-expected-tuesday
RE: Record Breaking Weather - bbqboy - 07-12-2016
But they endorse global warming in Texas. If companies are causing it, well that just means it's good for for everyone. A job creator.
RE: Record Breaking Weather - Wonky3 - 07-12-2016
(07-11-2016, 12:17 PM)tvguy Wrote:
Wonky...But I don't want to make a federal case out of this. Perhaps I'm wrong. Maybe I'm not. So, try this: Go to a science site and find a group of climate scientists who report than our climate HAS CHANGED, as of TODAY.
There are glaciers melting turning up bodies that were frozen for 2000 years. Glaciers have shrunk all over the world in one persons lifetime that have been there for thousands of years.
There are islands disappearing as we speak from rising sea levels.
Sea level riseExtreme events
![[Image: 37]](http://climate.nasa.gov/internal_resources/37)
Global sea level rose about 17 centimeters (6.7 inches) in the last century. The rate in the last decade, however, is nearly double that of the last century.4
Image: Republic of Maldives: Vulnerable to sea level rise
Shrinking ice sheets
![[Image: 40]](http://climate.nasa.gov/internal_resources/40)
The Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets have decreased in mass. Data from NASA's Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment show Greenland lost 150 to 250 cubic kilometers (36 to 60 cubic miles) of ice per year between 2002 and 2006, while Antarctica lost about 152 cubic kilometers (36 cubic miles) of ice between 2002 and 2005.
Image: Flowing meltwater from the Greenland ice sheet
- Declining Arctic sea ice
![[Image: 41]](http://climate.nasa.gov/internal_resources/41)
Both the extent and thickness of Arctic sea ice has declined rapidly over the last several decades.9
Image: Visualization of the 2007 Arctic sea ice minimum
- + EXPAND
- Glacial retreat
![[Image: 42]](http://climate.nasa.gov/internal_resources/42)
Glaciers are retreating almost everywhere around the world — including in the Alps, Himalayas, Andes, Rockies, Alaska and Africa.10
Image: The disappearing snowcap of Mount Kilimanjaro, from space.
+ EXPAND
![[Image: 43]](http://climate.nasa.gov/internal_resources/43)
The number of record high temperature events in the United States has been increasing, while the number of record low temperature events has been decreasing, since 1950. The U.S. has also witnessed increasing numbers of intense rainfall events.11
Ocean acidificationDecreased snow cover
![[Image: 44]](http://climate.nasa.gov/internal_resources/44)
Since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, the acidity of surface ocean waters has increased by about 30 percent.12,13 This increase is the result of humans emitting more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere and hence more being absorbed into the oceans. The amount of carbon dioxide absorbed by the upper layer of the oceans is increasing by about 2 billion tons per year.14,15
![[Image: 93]](http://climate.nasa.gov/internal_resources/93)
Satellite observations reveal that the amount of spring snow cover in the Northern Hemisphere has decreased over the past five decades and that the snow is melting earlier.16
All good examples of changing weather conditions. And most likely, our climate is changing, and may in fact have "already changed". But as the information I provided in my previous post suggests, the science is not YET complete and there is no certain data that the CLIMATE HAS CHANGED. But, no doubt if we continue to burn carbon fuels it's going to happen very soon...and maybe has already tilted from weather changes to climate change.
Science will let us know when we have gone past "the point of returning to normal weather patterns".
RE: Record Breaking Weather - tvguy - 07-12-2016
(07-12-2016, 08:23 AM)Wonky3 Wrote:All good examples of changing weather conditions. And most likely, our climate is changing, and may in fact have "already changed". But as the information I provided in my previous post suggests, the science is not YET complete and there is no certain data that the CLIMATE HAS CHANGED. But, no doubt if we continue to burn carbon fuels it's going to happen very soon...and maybe has already tilted from weather changes to climate change.
- [url=http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/#footnote_16][/url]
Science will let us know when we have gone past "the point of returning to normal weather patterns".
most likely, our climate is changing, and may in fact have "already changed".
YA THINK! I give up. I think your cheese is slipping of your cracker.
RE: Record Breaking Weather - cletus1 - 07-12-2016
(07-12-2016, 10:55 AM)tvguy Wrote:It is not customary for anyone to admit they are wrong on the RVF.(07-12-2016, 08:23 AM)Wonky3 Wrote:All good examples of changing weather conditions. And most likely, our climate is changing, and may in fact have "already changed". But as the information I provided in my previous post suggests, the science is not YET complete and there is no certain data that the CLIMATE HAS CHANGED. But, no doubt if we continue to burn carbon fuels it's going to happen very soon...and maybe has already tilted from weather changes to climate change.
- [url=http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/#footnote_16][/url]
Science will let us know when we have gone past "the point of returning to normal weather patterns".
most likely, our climate is changing, and may in fact have "already changed".
YA THINK! I give up. I think your cheese is slipping of your cracker.
RE: Record Breaking Weather - Wonky3 - 07-12-2016
(07-12-2016, 11:27 AM)cletus1 Wrote:(07-12-2016, 10:55 AM)tvguy Wrote:It is not customary for anyone to admit they are wrong on the RVF.(07-12-2016, 08:23 AM)Wonky3 Wrote:All good examples of changing weather conditions. And most likely, our climate is changing, and may in fact have "already changed". But as the information I provided in my previous post suggests, the science is not YET complete and there is no certain data that the CLIMATE HAS CHANGED. But, no doubt if we continue to burn carbon fuels it's going to happen very soon...and maybe has already tilted from weather changes to climate change.
- [url=http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/#footnote_16][/url]
Science will let us know when we have gone past "the point of returning to normal weather patterns".
most likely, our climate is changing, and may in fact have "already changed".
YA THINK! I give up. I think your cheese is slipping of your cracker.
Well...there is some history about these posts.
What I think doesn't matter. What you think matters (' cause youse guys is smart) but doesn't change anything.
You might want to go back up and read the "science" post I pasted in. Or not.
I'm not a "climate denier". I'm sure our climate is going to change.
But the science seems to indicate that while we are on the cusp, we still have not slipped into to that place where science is ready to say..."it's changed! Grab you hat, hold on to your ass, and head for the hills".
We do know our weather patterns have changed. But so far...at least...weather is NOT climate.
Whatever.
What matters is what happens and we know for damn sure that if we don't get a hold on the problem we are going to pay the price. More than likely sooner than later.
And by the bye...I've admitted to being wrong here before. Too many times I fear.
RE: Record Breaking Weather - bbqboy - 07-12-2016
Semantics. Useless.
RE: Record Breaking Weather - chuck white - 07-12-2016
(07-12-2016, 04:18 PM)Wonky3 Wrote: Well...there is some history about these posts.
What I think doesn't matter. What you think matters (' cause youse guys is smart) but doesn't change anything.
You might want to go back up and read the "science" post I pasted in. Or not.
I'm not a "climate denier". I'm sure our climate is going to change.
But the science seems to indicate that while we are on the cusp, we still have not slipped into to that place where science is ready to say..."it's changed! Grab you hat, hold on to your ass, and head for the hills".
We do know our weather patterns have changed. But so far...at least...weather is NOT climate.
Whatever.
What matters is what happens and we know for damn sure that if we don't get a hold on the problem we are going to pay the price. More than likely sooner than later.
And by the bye...I've admitted to being wrong here before. Too many times I fear.
Do you think there is a line, where we say it changed.
It is changing, just now it's changing ten times faster then in the past.
It will continue to change rapidly for a long time. We (and our grand kids) will be dead before it slows down again.
RE: Record Breaking Weather - Wonky3 - 07-12-2016
(07-12-2016, 06:57 PM)chuck white Wrote:Yep. I think there will be a "tipping point" where there will be no going back. Some think it's still not too late to make those changes in the "near future" and we might go on enjoying only the normal swings in weather.(07-12-2016, 04:18 PM)Wonky3 Wrote: Well...there is some history about these posts.
What I think doesn't matter. What you think matters (' cause youse guys is smart) but doesn't change anything.
You might want to go back up and read the "science" post I pasted in. Or not.
I'm not a "climate denier". I'm sure our climate is going to change.
But the science seems to indicate that while we are on the cusp, we still have not slipped into to that place where science is ready to say..."it's changed! Grab you hat, hold on to your ass, and head for the hills".
We do know our weather patterns have changed. But so far...at least...weather is NOT climate.
Whatever.
What matters is what happens and we know for damn sure that if we don't get a hold on the problem we are going to pay the price. More than likely sooner than later.
And by the bye...I've admitted to being wrong here before. Too many times I fear.
Do you think there is a line, where we say it changed.
It is changing, just now it's changing ten times faster then in the past.
It will continue to change rapidly for a long time. We (and our grand kids) will be dead before it slows down again.
RE: Record Breaking Weather - Cuzz - 07-12-2016
(07-12-2016, 07:21 PM)Wonky3 Wrote:(07-12-2016, 06:57 PM)chuck white Wrote:Yep. I think there will be a "tipping point" where there will be no going back. Some think it's still not too late to make those changes in the "near future" and we might go on enjoying only the normal swings in weather.(07-12-2016, 04:18 PM)Wonky3 Wrote: Well...there is some history about these posts.
What I think doesn't matter. What you think matters (' cause youse guys is smart) but doesn't change anything.
You might want to go back up and read the "science" post I pasted in. Or not.
I'm not a "climate denier". I'm sure our climate is going to change.
But the science seems to indicate that while we are on the cusp, we still have not slipped into to that place where science is ready to say..."it's changed! Grab you hat, hold on to your ass, and head for the hills".
We do know our weather patterns have changed. But so far...at least...weather is NOT climate.
Whatever.
What matters is what happens and we know for damn sure that if we don't get a hold on the problem we are going to pay the price. More than likely sooner than later.
And by the bye...I've admitted to being wrong here before. Too many times I fear.
Do you think there is a line, where we say it changed.
It is changing, just now it's changing ten times faster then in the past.
It will continue to change rapidly for a long time. We (and our grand kids) will be dead before it slows down again.
Do you suppose we will recognize this "tipping point" before or after it's passed?
RE: Record Breaking Weather - chuck white - 07-12-2016
(07-12-2016, 07:54 PM)Cuzz Wrote:(07-12-2016, 07:21 PM)Wonky3 Wrote:(07-12-2016, 06:57 PM)chuck white Wrote:Yep. I think there will be a "tipping point" where there will be no going back. Some think it's still not too late to make those changes in the "near future" and we might go on enjoying only the normal swings in weather.(07-12-2016, 04:18 PM)Wonky3 Wrote: Well...there is some history about these posts.
What I think doesn't matter. What you think matters (' cause youse guys is smart) but doesn't change anything.
You might want to go back up and read the "science" post I pasted in. Or not.
I'm not a "climate denier". I'm sure our climate is going to change.
But the science seems to indicate that while we are on the cusp, we still have not slipped into to that place where science is ready to say..."it's changed! Grab you hat, hold on to your ass, and head for the hills".
We do know our weather patterns have changed. But so far...at least...weather is NOT climate.
Whatever.
What matters is what happens and we know for damn sure that if we don't get a hold on the problem we are going to pay the price. More than likely sooner than later.
And by the bye...I've admitted to being wrong here before. Too many times I fear.
Do you think there is a line, where we say it changed.
It is changing, just now it's changing ten times faster then in the past.
It will continue to change rapidly for a long time. We (and our grand kids) will be dead before it slows down again.
Do you suppose we will recognize this "tipping point" before or after it's passed?
Does it matter if we see it coming or not. People will be in the Nile river.
RE: Record Breaking Weather - Wonky3 - 07-13-2016
(07-12-2016, 09:49 PM)chuck white Wrote:Actually, WE won't SEE it.(07-12-2016, 07:54 PM)Cuzz Wrote:(07-12-2016, 07:21 PM)Wonky3 Wrote:(07-12-2016, 06:57 PM)chuck white Wrote:Yep. I think there will be a "tipping point" where there will be no going back. Some think it's still not too late to make those changes in the "near future" and we might go on enjoying only the normal swings in weather.(07-12-2016, 04:18 PM)Wonky3 Wrote: Well...there is some history about these posts.
What I think doesn't matter. What you think matters (' cause youse guys is smart) but doesn't change anything.
You might want to go back up and read the "science" post I pasted in. Or not.
I'm not a "climate denier". I'm sure our climate is going to change.
But the science seems to indicate that while we are on the cusp, we still have not slipped into to that place where science is ready to say..."it's changed! Grab you hat, hold on to your ass, and head for the hills".
We do know our weather patterns have changed. But so far...at least...weather is NOT climate.
Whatever.
What matters is what happens and we know for damn sure that if we don't get a hold on the problem we are going to pay the price. More than likely sooner than later.
And by the bye...I've admitted to being wrong here before. Too many times I fear.
Do you think there is a line, where we say it changed.
It is changing, just now it's changing ten times faster then in the past.
It will continue to change rapidly for a long time. We (and our grand kids) will be dead before it slows down again.
Do you suppose we will recognize this "tipping point" before or after it's passed?
Does it matter if we see it coming or not. People will be in the Nile river.
Science will tell us when it's too late to even try to return to what we once knew as normal.
They tell us now the window is very small and closing quickly.
Lets hope applied science can just a quckly find new techniques allowing us to live in a very changed climagte.
Finland looking better every day,
RE: Record Breaking Weather - tvguy - 07-13-2016
(07-12-2016, 04:18 PM)Wonky3 Wrote:(07-12-2016, 11:27 AM)cletus1 Wrote:(07-12-2016, 10:55 AM)tvguy Wrote:It is not customary for anyone to admit they are wrong on the RVF.(07-12-2016, 08:23 AM)Wonky3 Wrote:All good examples of changing weather conditions. And most likely, our climate is changing, and may in fact have "already changed". But as the information I provided in my previous post suggests, the science is not YET complete and there is no certain data that the CLIMATE HAS CHANGED. But, no doubt if we continue to burn carbon fuels it's going to happen very soon...and maybe has already tilted from weather changes to climate change.
- [url=http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/#footnote_16][/url]
Science will let us know when we have gone past "the point of returning to normal weather patterns".
most likely, our climate is changing, and may in fact have "already changed".
YA THINK! I give up. I think your cheese is slipping of your cracker.
Well...there is some history about these posts.
What I think doesn't matter. What you think matters (' cause youse guys is smart) but doesn't change anything.
You might want to go back up and read the "science" post I pasted in. Or not.
I'm not a "climate denier". I'm sure our climate is going to change.
But the science seems to indicate that while we are on the cusp, we still have not slipped into to that place where science is ready to say..."it's changed! Grab you hat, hold on to your ass, and head for the hills".
We do know our weather patterns have changed. But so far...at least...weather is NOT climate.
Whatever.
What matters is what happens and we know for damn sure that if we don't get a hold on the problem we are going to pay the price. More than likely sooner than later.
And by the bye...I've admitted to being wrong here before. Too many times I fear.
Wonky..."I'm not a "climate denier". I'm sure our climate is going to change."
It's no big deal it's just that I can't for the life of me figure out how you or anyone can't see that climate change is happening right now. Especially when I posted all those examples.
RE: Record Breaking Weather - chuck white - 07-13-2016
Quote:
Thunderstorms have again begun rolling over South Florida from the Everglades, but the oppressive weather that set temperature records over the past 10 days will take time to come down.
High temperatures are expected to remain in the upper 80s at least through Sunday. But it will feel even hotter than that.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/weather/fl-hot-weather-record-20160713-story.html
RE: Record Breaking Weather - chuck white - 07-13-2016
Quote:A massive heat wave is poised to envelop the U.S. from coast to coast next week
http://mashable.com/2016/07/13/massive-july-heat-wave-coming-us/
RE: Record Breaking Weather - Wonky3 - 07-14-2016
(07-13-2016, 03:35 PM)tvguy Wrote:(07-12-2016, 04:18 PM)Wonky3 Wrote:(07-12-2016, 11:27 AM)cletus1 Wrote:(07-12-2016, 10:55 AM)tvguy Wrote:It is not customary for anyone to admit they are wrong on the RVF.(07-12-2016, 08:23 AM)Wonky3 Wrote:All good examples of changing weather conditions. And most likely, our climate is changing, and may in fact have "already changed". But as the information I provided in my previous post suggests, the science is not YET complete and there is no certain data that the CLIMATE HAS CHANGED. But, no doubt if we continue to burn carbon fuels it's going to happen very soon...and maybe has already tilted from weather changes to climate change.
- [url=http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/#footnote_16][/url]
Science will let us know when we have gone past "the point of returning to normal weather patterns".
most likely, our climate is changing, and may in fact have "already changed".
YA THINK! I give up. I think your cheese is slipping of your cracker.
Well...there is some history about these posts.
What I think doesn't matter. What you think matters (' cause youse guys is smart) but doesn't change anything.
You might want to go back up and read the "science" post I pasted in. Or not.
I'm not a "climate denier". I'm sure our climate is going to change.
But the science seems to indicate that while we are on the cusp, we still have not slipped into to that place where science is ready to say..."it's changed! Grab you hat, hold on to your ass, and head for the hills".
We do know our weather patterns have changed. But so far...at least...weather is NOT climate.
Whatever.
What matters is what happens and we know for damn sure that if we don't get a hold on the problem we are going to pay the price. More than likely sooner than later.
And by the bye...I've admitted to being wrong here before. Too many times I fear.
Wonky..."I'm not a "climate denier". I'm sure our climate is going to change."
It's no big deal it's just that I can't for the life of me figure out how you or anyone can't see that climate change is happening right now. Especially when I posted all those examples.
I don't know, TVg. 'm not a scientist. I have trouble with long division.
And yes, I did notice all the examples you posteed Makes a person wonder, huh.
But you never responded to the scientistic excerpt I posted. (A few posts above).
What I read is that science has a "certain definition" of what climate change is. Simply put (as I understand it) it's when the climate has changed to the point where it's no longer reversible. There are some, as least, who feel if mankind were to make all the necessary changes in our behavior, the climate could still be "saved" and we could go back someday to the more normal weather fluctuations we have known in the past.
But maybe I'm wrong. I only know what I read. I read "Science" magazine from timet to time and even there there is debate about when climate change can be "declared".
All I've been arguing here is the definition, because once that is agreed by the whole of the scientific communitny we are in deep shit and we better learn to live in a very different world. You and me may not have to worry too much...Our grandchldren will.
So, whatever our differences, it won't matter much unless the entire worlds population makes changes in burning carbon fuels and the other things that effect our climate.
Time will tell. We should leave these things to science. They all (mostly) agree our climate is changing. They don't all agree that it has changed to the point where we can never go back to "normal". But soon, that day is coming. Maybe very soon.