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Obama Care is working - Wonky3 - 10-27-2014

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/27/us/is-the-affordable-care-act-working.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=photo-spot-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0#/


RE: Obama Care is working - Hugo - 10-27-2014

(10-27-2014, 07:27 AM)Wonky3 Wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/27/us/is-the-affordable-care-act-working.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=photo-spot-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0#/

LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing

It works great, for those who don't work..... The rest of us? Kinda Fucked.


RE: Obama Care is working - chuck white - 10-27-2014

(10-27-2014, 12:05 PM)Hugo Wrote:
(10-27-2014, 07:27 AM)Wonky3 Wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/27/us/is-the-affordable-care-act-working.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=photo-spot-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0#/

LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing

It works great, for those who don't work..... The rest of us? Kinda Fucked.

How so.
Because I work, I get health insurance through my work and not Obama care.

Are you on Obama care or some other health plan?


RE: Obama Care is working - Wonky3 - 10-27-2014

(10-27-2014, 12:05 PM)Hugo Wrote:
(10-27-2014, 07:27 AM)Wonky3 Wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/27/us/is-the-affordable-care-act-working.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=photo-spot-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0#/

LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing

It works great, for those who don't work..... The rest of us? Kinda Fucked.

That's simply not true.


RE: Obama Care is working - tvguy - 10-27-2014

(10-27-2014, 12:05 PM)Hugo Wrote:
(10-27-2014, 07:27 AM)Wonky3 Wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/27/us/is-the-affordable-care-act-working.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=photo-spot-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0#/

LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing

It works great, for those who don't work..... The rest of us? Kinda Fucked.

Who are you supposedly speaking for when you say "the rest of us"?

I worked my whole life. I'm retired now. But when I worked last I had ZERO insurance because I had to work X amount of hours per week to pay in a VERY slow economy in order to be covered by my insurance.
And making the HUGE self payments when you aren't getting the hours is impossible.

Any yes "It works great" and has for both my wife and I. Otherwise both of us might be dead now.


RE: Obama Care is working - chuck white - 10-27-2014

(10-27-2014, 02:14 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(10-27-2014, 12:05 PM)Hugo Wrote:
(10-27-2014, 07:27 AM)Wonky3 Wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/27/us/is-the-affordable-care-act-working.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=photo-spot-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0#/

LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing

It works great, for those who don't work..... The rest of us? Kinda Fucked.

Who are you supposedly speaking for when you say "the rest of us"? Smiling

I worked my whole life. I'm retired now. But when I worked last I had ZERO insurance because I had to work X amount of hours per week to pay in a VERY slow economy in order to be covered by my insurance.
And making the HUGE self payments when you aren't getting the hours is impossible.

Any yes "It works great" and has for both my wife and I. Otherwise both of us might be dead now.

I guess Hugo was right
Quote:It works great, for those who don't work..... The rest of us? Kinda Fucked.
LaughingLaughing


RE: Obama Care is working - tvguy - 10-27-2014

(10-27-2014, 05:02 PM)chuck white Wrote:
(10-27-2014, 02:14 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(10-27-2014, 12:05 PM)Hugo Wrote:
(10-27-2014, 07:27 AM)Wonky3 Wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/27/us/is-the-affordable-care-act-working.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=photo-spot-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0#/

LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing

It works great, for those who don't work..... The rest of us? Kinda Fucked.

Who are you supposedly speaking for when you say "the rest of us"? Smiling

I worked my whole life. I'm retired now. But when I worked last I had ZERO insurance because I had to work X amount of hours per week to pay in a VERY slow economy in order to be covered by my insurance.
And making the HUGE self payments when you aren't getting the hours is impossible.

Any yes "It works great" and has for both my wife and I. Otherwise both of us might be dead now.

I guess Hugo was right
Quote:It works great, for those who don't work..... The rest of us? Kinda Fucked.
LaughingLaughing

It's based on your income amount and NOT whether or not you work.




My wife was working full time when she needed medical attention and without free health care would have been fucked. NOT "Kinda Fucked".


RE: Obama Care is working - Tiamat - 10-27-2014

(10-27-2014, 12:05 PM)Hugo Wrote:
(10-27-2014, 07:27 AM)Wonky3 Wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/27/us/is-the-affordable-care-act-working.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=photo-spot-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0#/

LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing

It works great, for those who don't work..... The rest of us? Kinda Fucked.

Well, it certainly doesn't "pick up" what's left over. For instance I have pretty crappy insurance through my work. Obamacare doesn't pick up what's left rest....I'm still left with a ton....but it's a start.


RE: Obama Care is working - Wonky3 - 10-28-2014

(10-27-2014, 07:33 PM)Tiamat Wrote:
(10-27-2014, 12:05 PM)Hugo Wrote:
(10-27-2014, 07:27 AM)Wonky3 Wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/27/us/is-the-affordable-care-act-working.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=photo-spot-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0#/

LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing

It works great, for those who don't work..... The rest of us? Kinda Fucked.

Well, it certainly doesn't "pick up" what's left over. For instance I have pretty crappy insurance through my work. Obamacare doesn't pick up what's left rest....I'm still left with a ton....but it's a start.

I admit real ignorance about this part of the plan.
I didn't know the program subsidized employers plans.
Or, is one expected to buy a "supplement plan"?
Curious stuff.


RE: Obama Care is working - Tiamat - 10-28-2014

(10-28-2014, 07:40 AM)Wonky3 Wrote:
(10-27-2014, 07:33 PM)Tiamat Wrote:
(10-27-2014, 12:05 PM)Hugo Wrote:
(10-27-2014, 07:27 AM)Wonky3 Wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/27/us/is-the-affordable-care-act-working.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=photo-spot-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0#/

LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing

It works great, for those who don't work..... The rest of us? Kinda Fucked.

Well, it certainly doesn't "pick up" what's left over. For instance I have pretty crappy insurance through my work. Obamacare doesn't pick up what's left rest....I'm still left with a ton....but it's a start.

I admit real ignorance about this part of the plan.
I didn't know the program subsidized employers plans.
Or, is one expected to buy a "supplement plan"?
Curious stuff.

I don't know. I know there were changes to our insurance because of Obama care. Actually,most were for the better.


RE: Obama Care is working - Hugo - 11-04-2014

Quote:Barack Obama is again playing political games with our health insurance industry and has turned in another underhanded move against it by forcing insurance carriers, brokers and agents to withhold their 2015 prices until after the 2014 midterm elections are over all so that the news of higher prices won’t hurt Democrats on Election Day.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/11/unprecedented-obama-forces-insurance-industry-to-withhold-2015-prices-until-after-election/


RE: Obama Care is working - Wonky3 - 11-04-2014

(11-04-2014, 06:57 AM)Hugo Wrote:
Quote:Barack Obama is again playing political games with our health insurance industry and has turned in another underhanded move against it by forcing insurance carriers, brokers and agents to withhold their 2015 prices until after the 2014 midterm elections are over all so that the news of higher prices won’t hurt Democrats on Election Day.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/11/unprecedented-obama-forces-insurance-industry-to-withhold-2015-prices-until-after-election/

The Gateway Pundit? LaughingLaughingLaughing

The late U.S. Senator, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, once said everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not to own facts.

Notice that the "authority" cited here is an insurance agent. Razz


RE: Obama Care is working - Hugo - 11-04-2014

(11-04-2014, 08:32 PM)Wonky3 Wrote:
(11-04-2014, 06:57 AM)Hugo Wrote:
Quote:Barack Obama is again playing political games with our health insurance industry and has turned in another underhanded move against it by forcing insurance carriers, brokers and agents to withhold their 2015 prices until after the 2014 midterm elections are over all so that the news of higher prices won’t hurt Democrats on Election Day.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/11/unprecedented-obama-forces-insurance-industry-to-withhold-2015-prices-until-after-election/

The Gateway Pundit? LaughingLaughingLaughing

The late U.S. Senator, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, once said everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not to own facts.

Notice that the "authority" cited here is an insurance agent. Razz

Oh yes, LaughingLaughingLaughing Laugh and blame the source. Hahaha.... It's an INSURANCE AGENT...LaughingLaughingLaughing Umm, by the way... it WOULD be a representative of the Insurance industry who would HAVE that kind of information, wouldn't it?


RE: Obama Care is working - SFLiberal - 11-11-2014

I'm pretty sure Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber was talking about Wonky, Cleatus, et al when he was discussing how the self proclaimed most transparent administration ever passed Obamacare by lying to the stupid voters:

GRUBER: "Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage."

Quote:This bill was written in a tortured way to make sure CBO did not score the mandate as taxes. If CBO scored the mandate as taxes, the bill dies. Okay, so it’s written to do that. In terms of risk-rated subsidies, if you had a law which said that healthy people are going to pay in – you made explicit healthy people pay in and sick people get money, it would not have passed… Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical for the thing to pass… Look, I wish Mark was right that we could make it all transparent, but I’d rather have this law than not. Jonathan Gruber

The end justifies the means, we have to pass the bill to find out was in it, hope and change. I'm glad this is all on the dems. They are the ones that deceived America. They are the liars. No republican voted for this fraud and the voters responded last week:

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RE: Obama Care is working - Wonky3 - 11-11-2014

(11-11-2014, 02:24 PM)SFLiberal Wrote: I'm pretty sure Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber was talking about Wonky, Cleatus, et al when he was discussing how the self proclaimed most transparent administration ever passed Obamacare by lying to the stupid voters:

GRUBER: "Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage."

Quote:This bill was written in a tortured way to make sure CBO did not score the mandate as taxes. If CBO scored the mandate as taxes, the bill dies. Okay, so it’s written to do that. In terms of risk-rated subsidies, if you had a law which said that healthy people are going to pay in – you made explicit healthy people pay in and sick people get money, it would not have passed… Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical for the thing to pass… Look, I wish Mark was right that we could make it all transparent, but I’d rather have this law than not. Jonathan Gruber

The end justifies the means, we have to pass the bill to find out was in it, hope and change. I'm glad this is all on the dems. They are the ones that deceived America. They are the liars. No republican voted for this fraud and the voters responded last week:

[Image: unnamed.jpg]

"The pendulum swings as the pendulum do"


RE: Obama Care is working - Big Rock - 11-11-2014

Quote:ObamaCare Opportunity
Chances are you don’t read a lot of liberal commentary; after all, that’s our job. But if you did, you’d quickly get bored. For the past year or so, practically every other sentence has been “ObamaCare is working”—although since last week’s election, one also hears the refrain “ObamaCare isn’t going to be repealed.” The constant need for reassurance is a classic symptom of Obama Compulsive Disorder.
An example comes from NBC’s Maggie Fox—no relation, we think, to the competing network—in a Saturday piece titled “Here to Stay: Why the New Republican Congress Can’t Gut Obamacare.” She offers five reasons, at least one of which is obviously false. “Voters like it,” Fox asserts, then immediately acknowledges the opposite: “Ask voters if they like Obamacare, and many will say no—48 percent in the latest NBC News poll.”
Actually, she could have reduced the five to one, the first on her list: “The veto.” President Obama is dug in, there’s no sign of Democratic defection (and in the Senate, several of the Dems likeliest to defect have just been booted from office), and Republicans are nowhere near a veto-proof majority, even in the House.
Yet all that notwithstanding, there is a good chance ObamaCare will be “gutted.” All it would take, as we explained yesterday, is a Supreme Court ruling that upholds the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.
Bizarrely, NBC’s Fox’s Saturday piece makes no mention of the high court’s grant of certiorari in King v. Burwell. To be sure, her headline doesn’t preclude the possibility that someone other than the Republican Congress could “gut” ObamaCare. But a ruling in favor of the plaintiffs would put congressional Republicans in a position where they might be able to extract real concessions from Obama.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/obamacare-opportunity-1415742035?tesla=y&mod=djemBestOfTheWeb_h&mg=reno64-wsj


RE: Obama Care is working - BeerMe - 11-12-2014

(10-27-2014, 12:43 PM)chuck white Wrote:
(10-27-2014, 12:05 PM)Hugo Wrote:
(10-27-2014, 07:27 AM)Wonky3 Wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/27/us/is-the-affordable-care-act-working.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=photo-spot-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0#/

LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing

It works great, for those who don't work..... The rest of us? Kinda Fucked.

How so.
Because I work, I get health insurance through my work and not Obama care.

Are you on Obama care or some other health plan?

I work and my premiums for the same exact plan are going up over $150 a month next year. Yeah Obama Care is a great fucking success. Rolling Eyes

Obama cares about everyone, except for those that work.


RE: Obama Care is working - SFLiberal - 11-12-2014

(11-12-2014, 09:21 AM)BeerMe Wrote:
(10-27-2014, 12:43 PM)chuck white Wrote:
(10-27-2014, 12:05 PM)Hugo Wrote:
(10-27-2014, 07:27 AM)Wonky3 Wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/27/us/is-the-affordable-care-act-working.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=photo-spot-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0#/

LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing

It works great, for those who don't work..... The rest of us? Kinda Fucked.

How so.
Because I work, I get health insurance through my work and not Obama care.

Are you on Obama care or some other health plan?

I work and my premiums for the same exact plan are going up over $150 a month next year. Yeah Obama Care is a great fucking success. Rolling Eyes

Obama cares about everyone, except for those that work.

Sounds like you will be paying for TM's insurance. Maybe you can claim her family as a deductible.


RE: Obama Care is working - Wonky3 - 11-12-2014

(11-12-2014, 09:21 AM)BeerMe Wrote:
(10-27-2014, 12:43 PM)chuck white Wrote:
(10-27-2014, 12:05 PM)Hugo Wrote:
(10-27-2014, 07:27 AM)Wonky3 Wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/27/us/is-the-affordable-care-act-working.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=photo-spot-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0#/

LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing

It works great, for those who don't work..... The rest of us? Kinda Fucked.

How so.
Because I work, I get health insurance through my work and not Obama care.

Are you on Obama care or some other health plan?

I work and my premiums for the same exact plan are going up over $150 a month next year. Yeah Obama Care is a great fucking success. Rolling Eyes

Obama cares about everyone, except for those that work.

Sounds like you are blessed. We knew from the get-go that those in the upper income brackets might have to pay a bit more to make this thing work.
But if THE EXACT SAME PLAN is now 150 bucks a month more, you most likely can afford the increase. Or, perhaps you need to double check your information.


RE: Obama Care is working - Cuzz - 11-12-2014

(11-12-2014, 05:25 PM)Wonky3 Wrote:
(11-12-2014, 09:21 AM)BeerMe Wrote:
(10-27-2014, 12:43 PM)chuck white Wrote:
(10-27-2014, 12:05 PM)Hugo Wrote:
(10-27-2014, 07:27 AM)Wonky3 Wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/27/us/is-the-affordable-care-act-working.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=photo-spot-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0#/

LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing

It works great, for those who don't work..... The rest of us? Kinda Fucked.

How so.
Because I work, I get health insurance through my work and not Obama care.

Are you on Obama care or some other health plan?

I work and my premiums for the same exact plan are going up over $150 a month next year. Yeah Obama Care is a great fucking success. Rolling Eyes

Obama cares about everyone, except for those that work.

Sounds like you are blessed. We knew from the get-go that those in the upper income brackets might have to pay a bit more to make this thing work.
But if THE EXACT SAME PLAN is now 150 bucks a month more, you most likely can afford the increase. Or, perhaps you need to double check your information.

Or just maybe your employers contribution share has been reduced? I know that's the case at my workplace. It's been going on since before ObamaCare. It pisses me off but it is an easy way for them to unilaterally reduce my compensation every year or two. Mad