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Re: What's in your garden? - Larry - 03-24-2009 Tia Wrote:Damn. Where I want to put it only gets morning sun.Larry Wrote:I am very unskilled at this, so advise is welcome. Won't any old soil do? Re: What's in your garden? - tvguy - 03-24-2009 Tia Wrote:I'm looking for a good heirloom tomato. Well "Medford" Tomatoes are sort of an heirloom? I guess It's one of several types that do very well in out climate. I personally always plant Early girls also. Re: What's in your garden? - Tia - 03-24-2009 tvguy Wrote:Tia Wrote:I'm looking for a good heirloom tomato. What the heck is a "Medford" tomato? Early girl is a hybrid. I'm trying to find heirlooms. Re: What's in your garden? - tvguy - 03-24-2009 Quote:What the heck is a "Medford" tomato? Early girl is a hybrid. I'm trying to find heirlooms. Well Aren't heirloom tomatoes the ones that have been handed down that have acclimated to this climate or soil? A "Medford" tomato is the name of a tomato that is commonly sold around here, I don't know if it's an heirloom or not but I'm simply telling you of a couple of tomatoes that WILL grow very well in this climate. And yes I know the early girl is a hybrid. Re: What's in your garden? - tvguy - 03-24-2009 OK Tia , read this , it says that Medford tomatoe is on a list to become a HEIRLOOM. YOUR WELCOME so where's a smilie with a tongue sticking out at you?... http://www.territorialseed.com/product/1159/225 Re: What's in your garden? - Tia - 03-24-2009 tvguy Wrote:OK Tia , read this , it says that Medford tomatoe is on a list to become a HEIRLOOM. Oh. Cool. Well, then thankyou. I just have never heard of a Medford tomato. Where do I get one? Re: What's in your garden? - Tia - 03-24-2009 tvguy Wrote:Quote:What the heck is a "Medford" tomato? Early girl is a hybrid. I'm trying to find heirlooms. No, an Heirloom is a 'true to seed' plant. In other words not hybridized. So, the seed will produce the same plant as the parent. Not so with Hybrids. They are called Heirlooms because they 'predate' hybrids. I once read that we don't really have any foods that are the same as our ancestors were eating 200 years ago. Hybridization and changes in raising techniques have completely altered the flavor of what we have now from what was available then. Try going to the store and finding a non hybridized corn seed. :wacko: Hard to do. Re: What's in your garden? - tvguy - 03-24-2009 Quote:Tia...No, an Heirloom is a 'true to seed' plant. In other words not hybridized. So, the seed will produce the same plant as the parent. Not so with Hybrids. They are called Heirlooms because they 'predate' hybrids. Makes sense, I was close Quote:Tia.... I once read that we don't really have any foods that are the same as our ancestors were eating 200 years ago. Hybridization and changes in raising techniques have completely altered the flavor of what we have now from what was available then. Try going to the store and finding a non hybridized corn seed. :wacko: Hard to do. Well it's not all bad thing The flavor and size and shape of a lot of the original plants was not always good., I believe the original tomatoes were barely edible before man started messing with them. Believe it or not I grew up in what used to be a small town ( Reynoldsburg Ohio) where a man named Livingston who credited with producing the first good tomatoes was from Every year we had a Tomato festival. Any was I guess he was the forefather of Heirloom tomatoes. Re: What's in your garden? - orygunluvr - 03-24-2009 Tia Wrote:Larry Wrote:I am very unskilled at this, so advise is welcome. Won't any old soil do? That would be the same straw boy was trying to put, piece by piece, into my truck, so he could shoot his bow and arrows in our backyard. Re: What's in your garden? - Tia - 03-24-2009 That would be the same straw boy was trying to put, piece by piece, into my truck, so he could shoot his bow and arrows in our backyard.[/quote] That's the one. Re: What's in your garden? - Tia - 03-24-2009 tvguy Wrote:Quote:Tia...No, an Heirloom is a 'true to seed' plant. In other words not hybridized. So, the seed will produce the same plant as the parent. Not so with Hybrids. They are called Heirlooms because they 'predate' hybrids. I don't agree with that. Ever try a wild strawberry. Much tastier. But.....First I should say, that when I'm referring to heirlooms I'm talking about old cultivars not hybrids. Hybrids require creating a new plant from two or more parent plants. Cultivars are developed. It is the old cultivars that are the heirlooms and they have superior flavor. Not always best looks or as disease resistant but an authentic flavor that we sometimes sacrifice to get the other results. If I could find a live plant of 'Medford' I'd certainly try it. I don't do good with trying to grow tomatoes from seed. I'd need a green house I guess. To be 'heirloom' the plant or seed has to be able to reproduce itself. For example, one variety of tomato that has been saved for generation after generation of plantings will produce that same variety of tomato. Heirloom seeds are always self-pollinated or open-pollinated and will produce plants with the same traits planting after planting, generation after generation. Hybrid seeds will not be able to reproduce plants with exactly the same traits. The variety of seed must have been introduced at least 50 years ago, though some heirloom gardeners say they must be at least 100 years old. In recent years, however, varieties with shorter histories are considered heirloom because of their uniqueness. So, I'm not talking tomatoes pre cultivation, just pre bio engineered or hybridized. Re: What's in your garden? - cletus1 - 03-24-2009 Tia is correct in that F1 hybrids will not grow the same plant from seed saved from the vegetable. There are however some varieties of veggies that will grow like the parent plant from the seed of the fruit. Most tomatoes that I have planted from last years seed or that volunteer are fine. The seeds from cucumbers and squash are completely different but that often has to do with cross pollination in the garden. I have allowed squash plants to grow from volunteers that turn out to be neither a zucchini of a cucumber or anything that is edible. Re: What's in your garden? - imaham - 03-24-2009 Cometmom Wrote:I will take all the tomatoes anyone wants to toss my way. I always try to plant a couple of cherry tomato plants but they never grow too well in a container. I wish I had pictures of my tomatoes from last year. Here is your answer to container gardening, CM. http://www.earthbox.com I have 3 of these and we had more tomatoes last year than we could eat. Cherries, pear, slicing and heirlooms. I bought a bunch of seed packs last weekend. I am debating either planting them or just putting them in bowls for the squirrels, rabbits and the gophers! The end result would be the same. Re: What's in your garden? - tvguy - 03-24-2009 Quote:TIA....I don't agree with that. Ever try a wild strawberry. Much tastier. When you grow plants and select the best tasting ones to plant again you will come up with a better plant, that's how the tomato we know today was created. Yes I've tasted the wild straw berries and I think I have tasted hybrid berries that were as good or better. I understand that hybrids may sacrifice one thing to gain another but I've grown a hell of a lot of different kinds of hybrids and quite frankly I don't know how some of then could have possibly tasted any better or had better meat , shape , size or amount of fruit. Trust me on this I grew up in the tomato as we know it capital, the original tomatoes like many other fruits or vegetables SUCKED before humans started cultivating them and probably tasted like crap. My wife used to volunteer for the Central point gleaners and the highs school would donate a lot of plants to them, eventually after no one would take them I would end up with them. I would always get the weirdest oddball varieties because the ones that were left were the ones people had never heard of Here something weird, the volunteer tomatoes that grow from my hybrids are almost always cherry tomatoes :shock: :shock: what's up with that? Re: What's in your garden? - tvguy - 03-24-2009 Here ya go .... http://www.victoryseeds.com/Livingston/index.html I grew up on Livingston ave Want to know Something else that is crazy,there is a town named that crazy coot Steve Pickering's family (the world forum) and it right next door to Reynoldburg :shock: Prior to his work, tomatoes were commonly ribbed, hard cored, and generally hollow fruit Re: What's in your garden? - Cometmom - 03-24-2009 Larry Wrote:I haven't had a garden in years, but this year I am going to grow peppers.Plant a salsa garden. Peppers, onions and tomatoes. Not too much work but the result is fantastic. Re: What's in your garden? - Tia - 03-24-2009 tvguy Wrote:Quote:TIA....I don't agree with that. Ever try a wild strawberry. Much tastier. I'm not advocating or in favor of one or another. It's just that I happen to want the heirlooms. Also just pointing out the difference between a cultivar and a hybrid. I'm sure many uncultivated plants weren't too tasty before cultivation. But why not if I can? There are many kinds of heirlooms, not just tomatoes. I grow whatever I please. Lots of hybrid cucumbers, lettuce and others. By the way, when you get volunteer roses, you get the original rootstock variety. Nothing special.. Re: What's in your garden? - tvguy - 03-25-2009 I'm not saying there is anything wrong with heirloom plants, I don't know if there are any that can fruit as fast which is why I buy them. I bought a brandywine tomato plant once, it was a beautiful and weird looking kind of plant. It grew like crazy , if I would have had it staked I bet it would have been 10 feet tall . but the thing never put any fruit on. Re: What's in your garden? - Tia - 03-25-2009 tvguy Wrote:I'm not saying there is anything wrong with heirloom plants, I don't know if there are any that can fruit as fast which is why I buy them. Well, that's the reason for hybridization. Higher yields, more disease resistant, fewer problems like cracking. I'll probably get a hybrid too. Re: What's in your garden? - TennisMom - 03-25-2009 You are all so knowledgeable about plants and vegetables, it is impressive and informative. I like to plant tomatoes and tend to my flowers in their pots. My DH loves horticulture but is too lazy to cultivate anything anymore. |