The "Enlightenment" ...but incomplete?
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I have posted here before about the value I see in "The Enlightenment" and the following opinion piece does a pretty good job (IMHO) of reviewing it and reminding us of the value of that time and the men who made the "breakthrough" in seeing the value of reason over dogma.

But the author of this pieces concentrates only on the "liberals, or progressives" of that era and neglects the value of the more conservative thinkers like Edmund Burke (father of modern Conservatism). While this author is well intended and points to real truths, I regret he failed to be complete and see "both sides". 

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ANOTHER VIEW[b] 

The Enlightenment keeps on winning
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By James A. Haught
 

Tribune News Service
If you study history, you'll see episodes that changed civilization.

For example, in Ancient Greece, for the first time, bright thinkers sought natural explanations for the world around them, instead of believing that phenomena were caused by gods and spirits. This started the science-versus-religion clash that still roils 25 centuries later.

Here's another landmark: Around three centuries ago, major thinkers began advocating democracy, human rights and personal freedoms. Their period became known as the Enlightenment. It launched the long-running liberals-versus-conservatives conflict still driving much of today's politics.

Thomas Hobbes (1588-1679) wrote that life can be “nasty, brutish and short” unless people bind themselves into a “social contract” under a government that protects them. Hobbes implied that kings don't rule by divine right, and that ultimate authority lies with the citizenry. Bishops tried to have Hobbes executed as an atheist, but Hobbes burned his papers and sometimes hid in exile.

John Locke (1632-1704) denied that kings are chosen by God, and recommended the separation of church and state to prevent faith-based wars and massacres. An early advocate of democracy, Locke argued that government must rest on consent from the governed.

Baron de Montesquieu (1689-1755) proposed a democratic republic with powers split among executive, legislative and judicial branches.

Voltaire (1694-1778), a witty French writer, was thrown in prison for mocking a regent — then emerged to become a lifelong crusader against abuses by ruling nobles and clerics.

America's founders — Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, James Madison, Benjamin Franklin, etc. — were brilliant radicals who absorbed Enlightenment ideas and incorporated them into the first modern democracy. Less-known founder George Mason insisted on a Bill of Rights to protect each person from government and the tyranny of the majority.

The Enlightenment's premise that every individual deserves personal freedoms also spawned The Rights of Man and the Citizen in France, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights by the United Nations, and other moral codes.

The Enlightenment not only produced modern democracy, it also laid the foundation of liberal political values still winning victories today. For three centuries, by fits and starts, Western progress has been mostly a chronicle of progressives defeating conservative resistance. Reformers repeatedly toppled old privileges, hierarchies and establishments. Look at the historical record: Conservatives tried to retain slavery, but they lost.

They tried to block voting by women, but they lost.

The tried to prevent couples from using birth control, but they lost.

The tried to obstruct Social Security pensions for oldsters, but they lost.

They tried to outlaw labor unions, but they lost.

They tried to prevent unemployment compensation for the jobless, but they lost.

They tried to keep stores closed on the Sabbath, but they lost.

They banned alcohol during Prohibition, but they eventually lost.

They tried to sustain racial segregation, but they lost.

They supported government-mandated prayer in school, but they lost.

They tried to continue throwing gays in prison, but they lost.

They tried to defeat Medicare and Medicaid, but they lost.

They tried to halt the sexual revolution, but they lost.

They opposed food stamps for the poor, but they lost.

They fought against equal human rights laws, but they lost.

They tried to censor sexy magazines, books and movies, but they lost.

They sought to jail girls and doctors who end pregnancies, but they lost.

They tried to block liquor clubs and lotteries, but they lost.

They tried to prevent expansion of health insurance through the Affordable Care Act, but they lost.

They tried to halt same-sex marriage, but they lost.

On and on, through recurring cultural battles, progressive principles that began in the Enlightenment have prevailed. For three centuries, liberals generally have won, conservatives lost.

What will be the next front in the culture war? Legal marijuana? Pistol registration? Free college? Whatever comes, it's probably safe to predict the eventual winner.

Martin Luther King Jr. said: “The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.” However, some University of Michigan scholars recently concluded that the notion of “the right side of history” is a myth — there's no guarantee that future events will extend past democratic breakthroughs. Terrible reversals could occur.

Nonetheless, the transformation loosed by the Enlightenment is a fact. I hope the progressive pattern keeps rolling forever. — James A. Haught is editor emeritus of West Virginia's largest newspaper, The Charleston Gazette-Mail. Readers may reach him by email at haught@wvgazette.com or phone at 304-348-5199.
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Enlighten me on why this is in the lounge?
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(09-26-2015, 08:21 AM)bbqboy Wrote: Enlighten me on why this is in the lounge?

Food for thought?
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(09-26-2015, 08:21 AM)bbqboy Wrote: Enlighten me on why this is in the lounge?

Really? You ignore, or at least fail to respond, to the content but are concerned about where it's posted? 

Really? 
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(09-26-2015, 08:02 AM)Wonky3 Wrote: I have posted here before about the value I see in "The Enlightenment" and the following opinion piece does a pretty good job (IMHO) of reviewing it and reminding us of the value of that time and the men who made the "breakthrough" in seeing the value of reason over dogma.

But the author of this pieces concentrates only on the "liberals, or progressives" of that era and neglects the value of the more conservative thinkers like Edmund Burke (father of modern Conservatism). While this author is well intended and points to real truths, I regret he failed to be complete and see "both sides". 

                   **************************************************************


ANOTHER VIEW[b] 

The Enlightenment keeps on winning
[/b]
 

By James A. Haught
 

Tribune News Service
If you study history, you'll see episodes that changed civilization.

For example, in Ancient Greece, for the first time, bright thinkers sought natural explanations for the world around them, instead of believing that phenomena were caused by gods and spirits. This started the science-versus-religion clash that still roils 25 centuries later.

Here's another landmark: Around three centuries ago, major thinkers began advocating democracy, human rights and personal freedoms. Their period became known as the Enlightenment. It launched the long-running liberals-versus-conservatives conflict still driving much of today's politics.

Thomas Hobbes (1588-1679) wrote that life can be “nasty, brutish and short” unless people bind themselves into a “social contract” under a government that protects them. Hobbes implied that kings don't rule by divine right, and that ultimate authority lies with the citizenry. Bishops tried to have Hobbes executed as an atheist, but Hobbes burned his papers and sometimes hid in exile.

John Locke (1632-1704) denied that kings are chosen by God, and recommended the separation of church and state to prevent faith-based wars and massacres. An early advocate of democracy, Locke argued that government must rest on consent from the governed.

Baron de Montesquieu (1689-1755) proposed a democratic republic with powers split among executive, legislative and judicial branches.

Voltaire (1694-1778), a witty French writer, was thrown in prison for mocking a regent — then emerged to become a lifelong crusader against abuses by ruling nobles and clerics.

America's founders — Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, James Madison, Benjamin Franklin, etc. — were brilliant radicals who absorbed Enlightenment ideas and incorporated them into the first modern democracy. Less-known founder George Mason insisted on a Bill of Rights to protect each person from government and the tyranny of the majority.

The Enlightenment's premise that every individual deserves personal freedoms also spawned The Rights of Man and the Citizen in France, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights by the United Nations, and other moral codes.

The Enlightenment not only produced modern democracy, it also laid the foundation of liberal political values still winning victories today. For three centuries, by fits and starts, Western progress has been mostly a chronicle of progressives defeating conservative resistance. Reformers repeatedly toppled old privileges, hierarchies and establishments. Look at the historical record:

Conservatives tried to retain slavery, but they lost.

They tried to block voting by women, but they lost.


The tried to prevent couples from using birth control, but they lost.

The tried to obstruct Social Security pensions for oldsters, but they lost.

They tried to outlaw labor unions, but they lost.

They tried to prevent unemployment compensation for the jobless, but they lost.

They tried to keep stores closed on the Sabbath, but they lost.

They banned alcohol during Prohibition, but they eventually lost.

They tried to sustain racial segregation, but they lost.

They supported government-mandated prayer in school, but they lost.

They tried to continue throwing gays in prison, but they lost.

They tried to defeat Medicare and Medicaid, but they lost.

They tried to halt the sexual revolution, but they lost.

They opposed food stamps for the poor, but they lost.

They fought against equal human rights laws, but they lost.

They tried to censor sexy magazines, books and movies, but they lost.

They sought to jail girls and doctors who end pregnancies, but they lost.

They tried to block liquor clubs and lotteries, but they lost.

They tried to prevent expansion of health insurance through the Affordable Care Act, but they lost.

They tried to halt same-sex marriage, but they lost.

On and on, through recurring cultural battles, progressive principles that began in the Enlightenment have prevailed. For three centuries, liberals generally have won, conservatives lost.

What will be the next front in the culture war? Legal marijuana? Pistol registration? Free college? Whatever comes, it's probably safe to predict the eventual winner.

Martin Luther King Jr. said: “The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.” However, some University of Michigan scholars recently concluded that the notion of “the right side of history” is a myth — there's no guarantee that future events will extend past democratic breakthroughs. Terrible reversals could occur.

Nonetheless, the transformation loosed by the Enlightenment is a fact. I hope the progressive pattern keeps rolling forever. — James A. Haught is editor emeritus of West Virginia's largest newspaper, The Charleston Gazette-Mail. Readers may reach him by email at haught@wvgazette.com or phone at 304-348-5199.

Laughing  Starting with the highlighted ones....  I think you know better, Wonky.  If not...  you should really read a history book.

And the reason to post it here in the lounge, is to silence dissent.
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I was gonna watch the Entitlement but it was on at the same time as Duck Dynester.
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(09-26-2015, 02:41 PM)tvguy Wrote: I was gonna watch the Entitlement but it was on at the same time as Duck Dynester.

Laughing Why not? It's not required reading. Obviously Hugo has not read the highlights and doesn't have a clue about how valuable Conservative thought was during that exciting period. Conservative thought agreed with a lot of Liberal thinking but they wanted to make sure that with all the freedoms of "the social contract", personal responsibility was of equal importance. I admire that value, most associated with Conservative values. At least at one time it was true. 

So Hugo, this is not "The Tea Party", but the thinking of well read, educated, and rational men that changed the world with new ideas that influenced our founding fathers and others over the years. 

Why is it posted in the lounge? Why not? It's not World or Local news. And it's not all that important in the whole scheme of things, so without a whole lot of thought I posted it hear. Shoot me.  Wink
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#8
I'm striving for endarkenment
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#9
"A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man."
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(09-26-2015, 06:02 PM)bbqboy Wrote: "A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man."

A "Simpson's" quote...cloaked (again) in obscurity as to what relevance it has here. If you are suggesting that the thinkers of the Enlightenment were somehow noble, but small men, you are ignorant. 
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#11
No. It means I'm sick of your holier than thou passive aggressive bullshit. So again, fuck you. Your smarmy self satisfied arrogance at your assumed smart questions is laughable.. 
And that's why there is an off topic section. Dick.
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(09-27-2015, 01:35 AM)bbqboy Wrote: No. It means I'm sick of your holier than thou passive aggressive bullshit. So again, fuck you. Your smarmy self satisfied arrogance at your assumed smart questions is laughable.. 
And that's why there is an off topic section. Dick.

"Other than that, did you enjoy the play Mrs. Lincoln"? 

I didn't write the thing: It was a guest column, and I thought very interesting. I also was curious about what I thought the author left out. The piece didn't interest you? Then just ignore it and go on with whatever it is you do. (God only knows)

You may have a point about my posting it in The Lounge. Had I given it more thought I probably should have posted it in Off Topic. If that's the biggest mistake I make this week I'll be happy. 
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(09-27-2015, 01:35 AM)bbqboy Wrote: No. It means I'm sick of your holier than thou passive aggressive bullshit. So again, fuck you. Your smarmy self satisfied arrogance at your assumed smart questions is laughable.. 
And that's why there is an off topic section. Dick.

Thanks Barbie. There might have been someone new or someone lurking who didn't already know what a little whining, bitching, sniveling  punk ass bitch you really are.

 Poor thing Sad

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