The libs have officially lost it
#1
we all know that liberalism is a mental disorder, but the Green Deal that they released today officially confirms it.  These people are certified nuts.....

The lowlights....

Quote:Rebuild every single building in the U.S.
“Upgrade or replace every building in US for state-of-the-art energy efficiency.”
Will end all traditional forms of energy in the next ten years.
The Green New Deal is “a 10-year plan to mobilize every aspect of American society at a scale not seen since World War 2 to achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions.”
Plans to ban nuclear energy within 10 years if possible.
“It’s unclear if we will be able to decommission every nuclear plant within 10 years, but the plan is to transition off of nuclear and all fossil fuels as soon as possible.”
Build trains across oceans and end all air travel!
“Build out highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming unnecessary”.
Don’t invest in new technology of Carbon Capture and Storage, just plant trees instead!
“We believe the right way to capture carbon is to plant trees and restore our natural ecosystems. CCUS technology to date has not proven effective.”
Mandates all new jobs be unionized.
“Ensure that all GND jobs are union jobs that pay prevailing wages and hire local.”
May include a carbon tax.
“We’re not ruling a carbon tax out, but a carbon tax would be a tiny part of a Green New Deal.”
May include cap and trade.
“…Cap and trade may be a tiny part of the larger Green New Deal plan.”
How much will it cost?
No estimate of the total cost of implementing the Green New deal is offered by Ocasio-Cortez.
However, as Ocasio-Cortez admits, “even if every billionaire and company came together and were willing to pour all the resources at their disposal into this investment, the aggregate value of the investments they could make would not be sufficient.”
She does provide one estimate that the cost to “repair and upgrade infrastructure U.S. infrastructure” alone will cost “$4.6 trillion at minimum.”
How will it be paid for? Don’t worry about that.
Ocasio-Cortez doesn’t provide any insight into how the trillions of dollars in spending will be paid for other than claiming, “The Federal Reserve can extend credit to power these projects and investments and new public banks can be created to extend credit”.
But as Ocasio-Cortez says, “the question isn’t how will we pay for it, but what will we do with our new shared prosperity”.
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(02-07-2019, 01:50 PM)SFLiberal Wrote: we all know that liberalism is a mental disorder, but the Green Deal that they released today officially confirms it.  These people are certified nuts.....

The lowlights....

Quote:Rebuild every single building in the U.S.
“Upgrade or replace every building in US for state-of-the-art energy efficiency.”
Will end all traditional forms of energy in the next ten years.
The Green New Deal is “a 10-year plan to mobilize every aspect of American society at a scale not seen since World War 2 to achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions.”
Plans to ban nuclear energy within 10 years if possible.
“It’s unclear if we will be able to decommission every nuclear plant within 10 years, but the plan is to transition off of nuclear and all fossil fuels as soon as possible.”
Build trains across oceans and end all air travel!
“Build out highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming unnecessary”.
Don’t invest in new technology of Carbon Capture and Storage, just plant trees instead!
“We believe the right way to capture carbon is to plant trees and restore our natural ecosystems. CCUS technology to date has not proven effective.”
Mandates all new jobs be unionized.
“Ensure that all GND jobs are union jobs that pay prevailing wages and hire local.”
May include a carbon tax.
“We’re not ruling a carbon tax out, but a carbon tax would be a tiny part of a Green New Deal.”
May include cap and trade.
“…Cap and trade may be a tiny part of the larger Green New Deal plan.”
How much will it cost?
No estimate of the total cost of implementing the Green New deal is offered by Ocasio-Cortez.
However, as Ocasio-Cortez admits, “even if every billionaire and company came together and were willing to pour all the resources at their disposal into this investment, the aggregate value of the investments they could make would not be sufficient.”
She does provide one estimate that the cost to “repair and upgrade infrastructure U.S. infrastructure” alone will cost “$4.6 trillion at minimum.”
How will it be paid for? Don’t worry about that.
Ocasio-Cortez doesn’t provide any insight into how the trillions of dollars in spending will be paid for other than claiming, “The Federal Reserve can extend credit to power these projects and investments and new public banks can be created to extend credit”.
But as Ocasio-Cortez says, “the question isn’t how will we pay for it, but what will we do with our new shared prosperity”.
So what is the problem ?

Seems like a good plan.

A few items that  need discussion.

1. ban nuclear energy within 10 years if possible
I think that Thorium salt reactors are considered nuclear energy. But these are not your father's nuclear reactors. They have higher efficiency and much less waste products. (they can actually eat old nuclear waste products).

2. Planes can run on renewable, so we can keep them, just update them.

3. Cost is no issue. Cost is jobs for a world, that is loosing it's old jobs.
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(02-07-2019, 06:18 PM)chuck white Wrote:
(02-07-2019, 01:50 PM)SFLiberal Wrote: we all know that liberalism is a mental disorder, but the Green Deal that they released today officially confirms it.  These people are certified nuts.....

The lowlights....

Quote:Rebuild every single building in the U.S.
“Upgrade or replace every building in US for state-of-the-art energy efficiency.”
Will end all traditional forms of energy in the next ten years.
The Green New Deal is “a 10-year plan to mobilize every aspect of American society at a scale not seen since World War 2 to achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions.”
Plans to ban nuclear energy within 10 years if possible.
“It’s unclear if we will be able to decommission every nuclear plant within 10 years, but the plan is to transition off of nuclear and all fossil fuels as soon as possible.”
Build trains across oceans and end all air travel!
“Build out highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming unnecessary”.
Don’t invest in new technology of Carbon Capture and Storage, just plant trees instead!
“We believe the right way to capture carbon is to plant trees and restore our natural ecosystems. CCUS technology to date has not proven effective.”
Mandates all new jobs be unionized.
“Ensure that all GND jobs are union jobs that pay prevailing wages and hire local.”
May include a carbon tax.
“We’re not ruling a carbon tax out, but a carbon tax would be a tiny part of a Green New Deal.”
May include cap and trade.
“…Cap and trade may be a tiny part of the larger Green New Deal plan.”
How much will it cost?
No estimate of the total cost of implementing the Green New deal is offered by Ocasio-Cortez.
However, as Ocasio-Cortez admits, “even if every billionaire and company came together and were willing to pour all the resources at their disposal into this investment, the aggregate value of the investments they could make would not be sufficient.”
She does provide one estimate that the cost to “repair and upgrade infrastructure U.S. infrastructure” alone will cost “$4.6 trillion at minimum.”
How will it be paid for? Don’t worry about that.
Ocasio-Cortez doesn’t provide any insight into how the trillions of dollars in spending will be paid for other than claiming, “The Federal Reserve can extend credit to power these projects and investments and new public banks can be created to extend credit”.
But as Ocasio-Cortez says, “the question isn’t how will we pay for it, but what will we do with our new shared prosperity”.
So what is the problem ?

Seems like a good plan.

A few items that  need discussion.

1. ban nuclear energy within 10 years if possible
I think that Thorium salt reactors are considered nuclear energy. But these are not your father's nuclear reactors. They have higher efficiency and much less waste products. (they can actually eat old nuclear waste products).
 
 




2. Planes can run on renewable, so we can keep them, just update them.

3. Cost is no issue. Cost is jobs for a world, that is loosing it's old jobs.

3. Cost is no issue. Cost is jobs for a world, that is loosing it's old jobs.


Wow that makes no sense whatsoever.
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(02-07-2019, 08:12 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(02-07-2019, 06:18 PM)chuck white Wrote:
(02-07-2019, 01:50 PM)SFLiberal Wrote: we all know that liberalism is a mental disorder, but the Green Deal that they released today officially confirms it.  These people are certified nuts.....

The lowlights....

Quote:Rebuild every single building in the U.S.
“Upgrade or replace every building in US for state-of-the-art energy efficiency.”
Will end all traditional forms of energy in the next ten years.
The Green New Deal is “a 10-year plan to mobilize every aspect of American society at a scale not seen since World War 2 to achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions.”
Plans to ban nuclear energy within 10 years if possible.
“It’s unclear if we will be able to decommission every nuclear plant within 10 years, but the plan is to transition off of nuclear and all fossil fuels as soon as possible.”
Build trains across oceans and end all air travel!
“Build out highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming unnecessary”.
Don’t invest in new technology of Carbon Capture and Storage, just plant trees instead!
“We believe the right way to capture carbon is to plant trees and restore our natural ecosystems. CCUS technology to date has not proven effective.”
Mandates all new jobs be unionized.
“Ensure that all GND jobs are union jobs that pay prevailing wages and hire local.”
May include a carbon tax.
“We’re not ruling a carbon tax out, but a carbon tax would be a tiny part of a Green New Deal.”
May include cap and trade.
“…Cap and trade may be a tiny part of the larger Green New Deal plan.”
How much will it cost?
No estimate of the total cost of implementing the Green New deal is offered by Ocasio-Cortez.
However, as Ocasio-Cortez admits, “even if every billionaire and company came together and were willing to pour all the resources at their disposal into this investment, the aggregate value of the investments they could make would not be sufficient.”
She does provide one estimate that the cost to “repair and upgrade infrastructure U.S. infrastructure” alone will cost “$4.6 trillion at minimum.”
How will it be paid for? Don’t worry about that.
Ocasio-Cortez doesn’t provide any insight into how the trillions of dollars in spending will be paid for other than claiming, “The Federal Reserve can extend credit to power these projects and investments and new public banks can be created to extend credit”.
But as Ocasio-Cortez says, “the question isn’t how will we pay for it, but what will we do with our new shared prosperity”.
So what is the problem ?

Seems like a good plan.

A few items that  need discussion.

1. ban nuclear energy within 10 years if possible
I think that Thorium salt reactors are considered nuclear energy. But these are not your father's nuclear reactors. They have higher efficiency and much less waste products. (they can actually eat old nuclear waste products).
 
 




2. Planes can run on renewable, so we can keep them, just update them.

3. Cost is no issue. Cost is jobs for a world, that is loosing it's old jobs.

3. Cost is no issue. Cost is jobs for a world, that is loosing it's old jobs.


Wow that makes no sense whatsoever.

Glad I'm not the only one, I thought maybe I was having a stroke.
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(02-07-2019, 08:57 PM)GPnative Wrote:
(02-07-2019, 08:12 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(02-07-2019, 06:18 PM)chuck white Wrote:
(02-07-2019, 01:50 PM)SFLiberal Wrote: we all know that liberalism is a mental disorder, but the Green Deal that they released today officially confirms it.  These people are certified nuts.....

The lowlights....

Quote:Rebuild every single building in the U.S.
“Upgrade or replace every building in US for state-of-the-art energy efficiency.”
Will end all traditional forms of energy in the next ten years.
The Green New Deal is “a 10-year plan to mobilize every aspect of American society at a scale not seen since World War 2 to achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions.”
Plans to ban nuclear energy within 10 years if possible.
“It’s unclear if we will be able to decommission every nuclear plant within 10 years, but the plan is to transition off of nuclear and all fossil fuels as soon as possible.”
Build trains across oceans and end all air travel!
“Build out highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming unnecessary”.
Don’t invest in new technology of Carbon Capture and Storage, just plant trees instead!
“We believe the right way to capture carbon is to plant trees and restore our natural ecosystems. CCUS technology to date has not proven effective.”
Mandates all new jobs be unionized.
“Ensure that all GND jobs are union jobs that pay prevailing wages and hire local.”
May include a carbon tax.
“We’re not ruling a carbon tax out, but a carbon tax would be a tiny part of a Green New Deal.”
May include cap and trade.
“…Cap and trade may be a tiny part of the larger Green New Deal plan.”
How much will it cost?
No estimate of the total cost of implementing the Green New deal is offered by Ocasio-Cortez.
However, as Ocasio-Cortez admits, “even if every billionaire and company came together and were willing to pour all the resources at their disposal into this investment, the aggregate value of the investments they could make would not be sufficient.”
She does provide one estimate that the cost to “repair and upgrade infrastructure U.S. infrastructure” alone will cost “$4.6 trillion at minimum.”
How will it be paid for? Don’t worry about that.
Ocasio-Cortez doesn’t provide any insight into how the trillions of dollars in spending will be paid for other than claiming, “The Federal Reserve can extend credit to power these projects and investments and new public banks can be created to extend credit”.
But as Ocasio-Cortez says, “the question isn’t how will we pay for it, but what will we do with our new shared prosperity”.
So what is the problem ?

Seems like a good plan.

A few items that  need discussion.

1. ban nuclear energy within 10 years if possible
I think that Thorium salt reactors are considered nuclear energy. But these are not your father's nuclear reactors. They have higher efficiency and much less waste products. (they can actually eat old nuclear waste products).
 
 




2. Planes can run on renewable, so we can keep them, just update them.

3. Cost is no issue. Cost is jobs for a world, that is loosing it's old jobs.

3. Cost is no issue. Cost is jobs for a world, that is loosing it's old jobs.


Wow that makes no sense whatsoever.

Glad I'm not the only one, I thought maybe I was having a stroke.
Laughing Laughing Laughing
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AOC tonight: “One way the Right tries to mischaracterize what we’re doing as though it’s like some kind of massive government takeover…obviously it’s not”

AOC this morning on if her plan requires "massive government intervention": “It does...Yeah, I have no problem saying that”

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6:45 PM - Feb 7, 2019

And now her Green Deal has been taken down from her website.  I guess it didn’t get the reception she thought it would get.  And Pelosi put her in her place by not giving her a seat on the Climate Change Committee.  Lol
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(02-07-2019, 09:06 PM)tvguy Wrote: Laughing Laughing Laughing
(02-07-2019, 08:57 PM)GPnative Wrote:
(02-07-2019, 08:12 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(02-07-2019, 06:18 PM)chuck white Wrote:
(02-07-2019, 01:50 PM)SFLiberal Wrote: we all know that liberalism is a mental disorder, but the Green Deal that they released today officially confirms it.  These people are certified nuts.....

The lowlights....
So what is the problem ?

Seems like a good plan.

A few items that  need discussion.

1. ban nuclear energy within 10 years if possible
I think that Thorium salt reactors are considered nuclear energy. But these are not your father's nuclear reactors. They have higher efficiency and much less waste products. (they can actually eat old nuclear waste products).
 
 




2. Planes can run on renewable, so we can keep them, just update them.

3. Cost is no issue. Cost is jobs for a world, that is loosing it's old jobs.

3. Cost is no issue. Cost is jobs for a world, that is loosing it's old jobs.


Wow that makes no sense whatsoever.

Glad I'm not the only one, I thought maybe I was having a stroke.
Laughing Laughing Laughing

What ever the cost is.... This would be money spend on construction and manufacturing.
When the Government invokes large public works, job opening spring forth.
Hell, we will need to import labor from south of the border.
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