Covid 19

[tvguy]

My neighbors good friend and a casual friend of mine just died from covid.  He was perfectly healthy two weeks ago.

No he was not right wing which seems like it's always the ones who wont get vaxed. He just didn't like doctors.

[GPnative]

My neighbors good friend and a casual friend of mine just died from covid.  He was perfectly healthy two weeks ago.

No he was not right wing which seems like it's always the ones who wont get vaxed. He just didn't like doctors.

He could have died either way.

[Scrapper]

My neighbors good friend and a casual friend of mine just died from covid.  He was perfectly healthy two weeks ago.

No he was not right wing which seems like it's always the ones who wont get vaxed. He just didn't like doctors.

He could have died either way.

Less likely to die if vaccinated.
Everyone I personally know of that has died was unvaccinated. And everyone I personally know of that was vaccinated and got Covid didn't have to be hospitalized... and didn't die.


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[tvguy]

My neighbors good friend and a casual friend of mine just died from covid.  He was perfectly healthy two weeks ago.

No he was not right wing which seems like it's always the ones who wont get vaxed. He just didn't like doctors.

He could have died either way.

 He could have but look at the odds, 86% of the dead were NOT vaccinated. That's
  like saying a guy who died in a horrible car crash who didn't have a seat belt ...could have died even if he wore a seat belt.
91% of all the people with covid in three hospitals are un vaccinated. That speaks for itself and proves the vaccine is working and working very well.
 

[tvguy]

My neighbors good friend and a casual friend of mine just died from covid.  He was perfectly healthy two weeks ago.

No he was not right wing which seems like it's always the ones who wont get vaxed. He just didn't like doctors.

He could have died either way.

Less likely to die if vaccinated.
Everyone I personally know of that has died was unvaccinated. And everyone I personally know of that was vaccinated and got Covid didn't have to be hospitalized... and didn't die.


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And your anecdotal evidence is the same as real data.

[GPnative]

My neighbors good friend and a casual friend of mine just died from covid.  He was perfectly healthy two weeks ago.

No he was not right wing which seems like it's always the ones who wont get vaxed. He just didn't like doctors.

He could have died either way.

 He could have but look at the odds, 86% of the dead were NOT vaccinated. That's
  like saying a guy who died in a horrible car crash who didn't have a seat belt ...could have died even if he wore a seat belt.
91% of all the people with covid in three hospitals are un vaccinated. That speaks for itself and proves the vaccine is working and working very well.
 

I am aware of the data. One could say it is a therapy, but until they moved the goal post of what a vaccine is, this one fails.

In JoCo, Since 8/1/21, 117 deaths, 87 were unvaxed, 30 were vaxed. That is a failure of a vaccine by any data set. You can still get covid, you can still spread covid, you can still die of covid and on top of it all, you still need to wear a mask.

[tvguy]

My neighbors good friend and a casual friend of mine just died from covid.  He was perfectly healthy two weeks ago.

No he was not right wing which seems like it's always the ones who wont get vaxed. He just didn't like doctors.

He could have died either way.

 He could have but look at the odds, 86% of the dead were NOT vaccinated. That's
  like saying a guy who died in a horrible car crash who didn't have a seat belt ...could have died even if he wore a seat belt.
91% of all the people with covid in three hospitals are un vaccinated. That speaks for itself and proves the vaccine is working and working very well.
 

I am aware of the data. One could say it is a therapy, but until they moved the goal post of what a vaccine is, this one fails.

In JoCo, Since 8/1/21, 117 deaths, 87 were unvaxed, 30 were vaxed. That is a failure of a vaccine by any data set. You can still get covid, you can still spread covid, you can still die of covid and on top of it all, you still need to wear a mask.

 

75% of covid deaths were un vacinated

25% of covid deaths were vaccinated

Yesterday 91% of the people hospitalized at Asante were un vaccinated

So only 9% were vaccinated.  So no it's not perfect but by what stretch of the imagination do you come by the conclusion the vaccine is a failure?

Also I believe the reason the death rate for vaccinated people is higher than the percentage of vaccinated people being hospitalized is because those are people with other medical issues and they are older.

 29 of the deaths form the vaccinated were older than 65 (probably WAY older)  and only 4 under 65

[GPnative]

My neighbors good friend and a casual friend of mine just died from covid.  He was perfectly healthy two weeks ago.

No he was not right wing which seems like it's always the ones who wont get vaxed. He just didn't like doctors.

He could have died either way.

 He could have but look at the odds, 86% of the dead were NOT vaccinated. That's
  like saying a guy who died in a horrible car crash who didn't have a seat belt ...could have died even if he wore a seat belt.
91% of all the people with covid in three hospitals are un vaccinated. That speaks for itself and proves the vaccine is working and working very well.
 

I am aware of the data. One could say it is a therapy, but until they moved the goal post of what a vaccine is, this one fails.

In JoCo, Since 8/1/21, 117 deaths, 87 were unvaxed, 30 were vaxed. That is a failure of a vaccine by any data set. You can still get covid, you can still spread covid, you can still die of covid and on top of it all, you still need to wear a mask.

 

75% of covid deaths were un vacinated

25% of covid deaths were vaccinated

Yesterday 91% of the people hospitalized at Asante were un vaccinated

So only 9% were vaccinated.  So no it's not perfect but by what stretch of the imagination do you come by the conclusion the vaccine is a failure?

Also I believe the reason the death rate for vaccinated people is higher than the percentage of vaccinated people being hospitalized is because those are people with other medical issues and they are older.

 29 of the deaths form the vaccinated were older than 65 (probably WAY older)  and only 4 under 65

For the reasons I stated, you can get it, you can spread it, you can die from it. When looking at it through the lens of what a vaccine is supposed to accomplish, it fails. I would put weight loss, exercise, eating right, etc. just as effective as the shot. Which will yield far great health benefits in the long run.

[tvguy]

He could have died either way.

 He could have but look at the odds, 86% of the dead were NOT vaccinated. That's
  like saying a guy who died in a horrible car crash who didn't have a seat belt ...could have died even if he wore a seat belt.
91% of all the people with covid in three hospitals are un vaccinated. That speaks for itself and proves the vaccine is working and working very well.
 

I am aware of the data. One could say it is a therapy, but until they moved the goal post of what a vaccine is, this one fails.

In JoCo, Since 8/1/21, 117 deaths, 87 were unvaxed, 30 were vaxed. That is a failure of a vaccine by any data set. You can still get covid, you can still spread covid, you can still die of covid and on top of it all, you still need to wear a mask.

 

75% of covid deaths were un vacinated

25% of covid deaths were vaccinated

Yesterday 91% of the people hospitalized at Asante were un vaccinated

So only 9% were vaccinated.  So no it's not perfect but by what stretch of the imagination do you come by the conclusion the vaccine is a failure?

Also I believe the reason the death rate for vaccinated people is higher than the percentage of vaccinated people being hospitalized is because those are people with other medical issues and they are older.

 29 of the deaths form the vaccinated were older than 65 (probably WAY older)  and only 4 under 65

For the reasons I stated, you can get it, you can spread it, you can die from it. When looking at it through the lens of what a vaccine is supposed to accomplish, it fails. I would put weight loss, exercise, eating right, etc. just as effective as the shot. Which will yield far great health benefits in the long run.

For some reason you have already decided the vaccine is a failure and to hell with facts I post that prove otherwise.

For the reasons I stated, you can get it, you can spread it, you can die from it.

 I think you are rationalizing why you were right to not get the vaccine. Other wise I have no clue why you can't admit the vaccine is keeping most people from getting seriously sick or dying from covid.

[Scrapper]

 He could have but look at the odds, 86% of the dead were NOT vaccinated. That's
  like saying a guy who died in a horrible car crash who didn't have a seat belt ...could have died even if he wore a seat belt.
91% of all the people with covid in three hospitals are un vaccinated. That speaks for itself and proves the vaccine is working and working very well.
 

I am aware of the data. One could say it is a therapy, but until they moved the goal post of what a vaccine is, this one fails.

In JoCo, Since 8/1/21, 117 deaths, 87 were unvaxed, 30 were vaxed. That is a failure of a vaccine by any data set. You can still get covid, you can still spread covid, you can still die of covid and on top of it all, you still need to wear a mask.

 

75% of covid deaths were un vacinated

25% of covid deaths were vaccinated

Yesterday 91% of the people hospitalized at Asante were un vaccinated

So only 9% were vaccinated.  So no it's not perfect but by what stretch of the imagination do you come by the conclusion the vaccine is a failure?

Also I believe the reason the death rate for vaccinated people is higher than the percentage of vaccinated people being hospitalized is because those are people with other medical issues and they are older.

 29 of the deaths form the vaccinated were older than 65 (probably WAY older)  and only 4 under 65

For the reasons I stated, you can get it, you can spread it, you can die from it. When looking at it through the lens of what a vaccine is supposed to accomplish, it fails. I would put weight loss, exercise, eating right, etc. just as effective as the shot. Which will yield far great health benefits in the long run.

For some reason you have already decided the vaccine is a failure and to hell with facts I post that prove otherwise.

For the reasons I stated, you can get it, you can spread it, you can die from it.

 I think you are rationalizing why you were right to not get the vaccine. Other wise I have no clue why you can't admit the vaccine is keeping most people from getting seriously sick or dying from covid.

I see it every day... they will spin it to fit their narrative... facts mean nothing to them. They are called the chosen ignorant.

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[GPnative]

 He could have but look at the odds, 86% of the dead were NOT vaccinated. That's
  like saying a guy who died in a horrible car crash who didn't have a seat belt ...could have died even if he wore a seat belt.
91% of all the people with covid in three hospitals are un vaccinated. That speaks for itself and proves the vaccine is working and working very well.
 

I am aware of the data. One could say it is a therapy, but until they moved the goal post of what a vaccine is, this one fails.

In JoCo, Since 8/1/21, 117 deaths, 87 were unvaxed, 30 were vaxed. That is a failure of a vaccine by any data set. You can still get covid, you can still spread covid, you can still die of covid and on top of it all, you still need to wear a mask.

 

75% of covid deaths were un vacinated

25% of covid deaths were vaccinated

Yesterday 91% of the people hospitalized at Asante were un vaccinated

So only 9% were vaccinated.  So no it's not perfect but by what stretch of the imagination do you come by the conclusion the vaccine is a failure?

Also I believe the reason the death rate for vaccinated people is higher than the percentage of vaccinated people being hospitalized is because those are people with other medical issues and they are older.

 29 of the deaths form the vaccinated were older than 65 (probably WAY older)  and only 4 under 65

For the reasons I stated, you can get it, you can spread it, you can die from it. When looking at it through the lens of what a vaccine is supposed to accomplish, it fails. I would put weight loss, exercise, eating right, etc. just as effective as the shot. Which will yield far great health benefits in the long run.

For some reason you have already decided the vaccine is a failure and to hell with facts I post that prove otherwise.

For the reasons I stated, you can get it, you can spread it, you can die from it.

 I think you are rationalizing why you were right to not get the vaccine. Other wise I have no clue why you can't admit the vaccine is keeping most people from getting seriously sick or dying from covid.

Not rationalizing anything, I also stated facts. Therefore this whole issue comes down to risk assessment. You got the shot, good for you, your risk is different than my risk. My risk of death is damn near zero.

[GPnative]

I am aware of the data. One could say it is a therapy, but until they moved the goal post of what a vaccine is, this one fails.

In JoCo, Since 8/1/21, 117 deaths, 87 were unvaxed, 30 were vaxed. That is a failure of a vaccine by any data set. You can still get covid, you can still spread covid, you can still die of covid and on top of it all, you still need to wear a mask.

 

75% of covid deaths were un vacinated

25% of covid deaths were vaccinated

Yesterday 91% of the people hospitalized at Asante were un vaccinated

So only 9% were vaccinated.  So no it's not perfect but by what stretch of the imagination do you come by the conclusion the vaccine is a failure?

Also I believe the reason the death rate for vaccinated people is higher than the percentage of vaccinated people being hospitalized is because those are people with other medical issues and they are older.

 29 of the deaths form the vaccinated were older than 65 (probably WAY older)  and only 4 under 65

For the reasons I stated, you can get it, you can spread it, you can die from it. When looking at it through the lens of what a vaccine is supposed to accomplish, it fails. I would put weight loss, exercise, eating right, etc. just as effective as the shot. Which will yield far great health benefits in the long run.

For some reason you have already decided the vaccine is a failure and to hell with facts I post that prove otherwise.

For the reasons I stated, you can get it, you can spread it, you can die from it.

 I think you are rationalizing why you were right to not get the vaccine. Other wise I have no clue why you can't admit the vaccine is keeping most people from getting seriously sick or dying from covid.

I see it every day... they will spin it to fit their narrative... facts mean nothing to them. They are called the chosen ignorant.

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That's rich, since you live and die by your facebook feed.

[tvguy]

I am aware of the data. One could say it is a therapy, but until they moved the goal post of what a vaccine is, this one fails.

In JoCo, Since 8/1/21, 117 deaths, 87 were unvaxed, 30 were vaxed. That is a failure of a vaccine by any data set. You can still get covid, you can still spread covid, you can still die of covid and on top of it all, you still need to wear a mask.

 

75% of covid deaths were un vacinated

25% of covid deaths were vaccinated

Yesterday 91% of the people hospitalized at Asante were un vaccinated

So only 9% were vaccinated.  So no it's not perfect but by what stretch of the imagination do you come by the conclusion the vaccine is a failure?

Also I believe the reason the death rate for vaccinated people is higher than the percentage of vaccinated people being hospitalized is because those are people with other medical issues and they are older.

 29 of the deaths form the vaccinated were older than 65 (probably WAY older)  and only 4 under 65

For the reasons I stated, you can get it, you can spread it, you can die from it. When looking at it through the lens of what a vaccine is supposed to accomplish, it fails. I would put weight loss, exercise, eating right, etc. just as effective as the shot. Which will yield far great health benefits in the long run.

For some reason you have already decided the vaccine is a failure and to hell with facts I post that prove otherwise.

For the reasons I stated, you can get it, you can spread it, you can die from it.

 I think you are rationalizing why you were right to not get the vaccine. Other wise I have no clue why you can't admit the vaccine is keeping most people from getting seriously sick or dying from covid.

Not rationalizing anything, I also stated facts. Therefore this whole issue comes down to risk assessment. You got the shot, good for you, your risk is different than my risk. My risk of death is damn near zero.

That's great but now it's all about YOU, And you" also stated facts" Not the part about the vaccine being a failure.
It's a fact that it is not a failure and is saving countless lives all over the world.

[tvguy]

 

75% of covid deaths were un vacinated

25% of covid deaths were vaccinated

Yesterday 91% of the people hospitalized at Asante were un vaccinated

So only 9% were vaccinated.  So no it's not perfect but by what stretch of the imagination do you come by the conclusion the vaccine is a failure?

Also I believe the reason the death rate for vaccinated people is higher than the percentage of vaccinated people being hospitalized is because those are people with other medical issues and they are older.

 29 of the deaths form the vaccinated were older than 65 (probably WAY older)  and only 4 under 65

For the reasons I stated, you can get it, you can spread it, you can die from it. When looking at it through the lens of what a vaccine is supposed to accomplish, it fails. I would put weight loss, exercise, eating right, etc. just as effective as the shot. Which will yield far great health benefits in the long run.

For some reason you have already decided the vaccine is a failure and to hell with facts I post that prove otherwise.

For the reasons I stated, you can get it, you can spread it, you can die from it.

 I think you are rationalizing why you were right to not get the vaccine. Other wise I have no clue why you can't admit the vaccine is keeping most people from getting seriously sick or dying from covid.

I see it every day... they will spin it to fit their narrative... facts mean nothing to them. They are called the chosen ignorant.

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That's rich, since you live and die by your facebook feed.

  What she said is 100% accurate. There are tons of idiots on FB making absurd and stupid comments.
 If she lived by what she read on FB she would be anti vax. My guess is she actually listens to credible info from doctors.

[Scrapper]

For the reasons I stated, you can get it, you can spread it, you can die from it. When looking at it through the lens of what a vaccine is supposed to accomplish, it fails. I would put weight loss, exercise, eating right, etc. just as effective as the shot. Which will yield far great health benefits in the long run.

For some reason you have already decided the vaccine is a failure and to hell with facts I post that prove otherwise.

For the reasons I stated, you can get it, you can spread it, you can die from it.

 I think you are rationalizing why you were right to not get the vaccine. Other wise I have no clue why you can't admit the vaccine is keeping most people from getting seriously sick or dying from covid.

I see it every day... they will spin it to fit their narrative... facts mean nothing to them. They are called the chosen ignorant.

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That's rich, since you live and die by your facebook feed.

  What she said is 100% accurate. There are tons of idiots on FB making absurd and stupid comments.
 If she lived by what she read on FB she would be anti vax. My guess is she actually listens to credible info from doctors.

Don't pay any attention to him. He has no real info to add... which is why he goes into attack mode.

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[Cuzz]

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/10/...d-19-shot/

This article bares on the subject. I know some people will probably disparage it for whatever reason but there it is.

[GPnative]

For some reason you have already decided the vaccine is a failure and to hell with facts I post that prove otherwise.

For the reasons I stated, you can get it, you can spread it, you can die from it.

 I think you are rationalizing why you were right to not get the vaccine. Other wise I have no clue why you can't admit the vaccine is keeping most people from getting seriously sick or dying from covid.

I see it every day... they will spin it to fit their narrative... facts mean nothing to them. They are called the chosen ignorant.

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That's rich, since you live and die by your facebook feed.

  What she said is 100% accurate. There are tons of idiots on FB making absurd and stupid comments.
 If she lived by what she read on FB she would be anti vax. My guess is she actually listens to credible info from doctors.

Don't pay any attention to him. He has no real info to add... which is why he goes into attack mode.

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It's real info, it is just info you don't want to hear. Your shot is less than half as effective as it was when you got it.

[Scrapper]

I see it every day... they will spin it to fit their narrative... facts mean nothing to them. They are called the chosen ignorant.

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That's rich, since you live and die by your facebook feed.

  What she said is 100% accurate. There are tons of idiots on FB making absurd and stupid comments.
 If she lived by what she read on FB she would be anti vax. My guess is she actually listens to credible info from doctors.

Don't pay any attention to him. He has no real info to add... which is why he goes into attack mode.

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It's real info, it is just info you don't want to hear. Your shot is less than half as effective as it was when you got it.

I've already got an appt for next week to get the booster. And I continue to wear a mask. And I don't go to grocery stores, restaurants or bars. I do these things to try to keep my parents and grandkiddos safe. I care about others.

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[Someones Dad]

https://doctorsandscientistsdeclaration.org/

Nothing to see here... just over 10,000 doctors and scientists opinion on early treatment.

[tvguy]

I see it every day... they will spin it to fit their narrative... facts mean nothing to them. They are called the chosen ignorant.

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That's rich, since you live and die by your facebook feed.

  What she said is 100% accurate. There are tons of idiots on FB making absurd and stupid comments.
 If she lived by what she read on FB she would be anti vax. My guess is she actually listens to credible info from doctors.

Don't pay any attention to him. He has no real info to add... which is why he goes into attack mode.

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It's real info, it is just info you don't want to hear. Your shot is less than half as effective as it was when you got it.

 OK a shot that very easily could have saved my life as well as my wife will need a booster? OH THE HORROR of it all.
Like people haven't been getting flu shots once a year for decades?