Say What You Want About Ms. Fonda
#61
(05-21-2012, 03:30 PM)Larry Wrote:
(05-21-2012, 03:24 PM)Clone Wrote:
(05-21-2012, 02:51 PM)Larry Wrote: What is the title of this thread?

Wow, Larry...you use the title "Say What You Want" as an excuse to spread filthy lies about a human being?

Filthy lies are what they are, what they've always been and, yet, you think that just because she visited North Vietnam she is deserving of filthy lies?

That is TRULY screwed up reasoning.

Read the whole Snopes piece. It puts it all in perspective.

You are being less than honorable to repeat lies just because you hate her.

Read it yourself. They are not ALL lies.

As usual we have two differing accounts. Jane Fonda is neither a slut or a bitch, she is an activist actress who speaks her mind, something many American men really dislike.

Personally I'll take the Jane Fonda's over Larry's of the world any day. And there are many vets that appreciated what Fonda said speaking out on their behalf about that unmitigated disaster that killed so many people.

And there are few if any people today that would say Vietnam was a good idea except the warmongers who profited from it.

And it is a patriotic duty to hold ones country accountable for its misdeeds and not sweep them under the rug hoping no one will notice.

Even my Nazi republican uncle thought she was quite a looker in spite of his convictions that if one speaks ill of ones government one is a traitor.
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#62
(05-21-2012, 03:39 PM)Larry Wrote: Let her live??? LMAO, When did I threaten her life?

Back off? I said what I want about her, by invitation.

Thank you for your participation. Razz
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#63
(05-21-2012, 04:11 PM)Clone Wrote:
(05-21-2012, 03:39 PM)Larry Wrote: Let her live??? LMAO, When did I threaten her life?

Back off? I said what I want about her, by invitation.

Thank you for your participation. Razz

Wink Anytime...
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#64
Now watch Larry scream when I start a thread entitled "Say what you want about Larry." Laughing
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#65
(05-21-2012, 04:23 PM)PonderThis Wrote: Now watch Larry scream when I start a thread entitled "Say what you want about Larry." Laughing

Go for it.
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#66
I've heard you scream too much before. You're a baby when it comes down to it, actually.
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#67
Hey Larry, you aren't looking too smart right now posting bullshit lies from right wing chain emails.
You can't be so stupid as to believe this ancient story about Jane so I'll just assume you wanted to stir up some shit.
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#68
(05-21-2012, 04:29 PM)PonderThis Wrote: I've heard you scream too much before. You're a baby when it comes down to it, actually.

No, really. No 'Report' button on this. Start your thread, with my permission.
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#69
(05-21-2012, 04:32 PM)tvguy Wrote: Hey Larry, you aren't looking too smart right now posting bullshit lies from right wing chain emails.
You can't be so stupid as to believe this ancient story about Jane so I'll just assume you wanted to stir up some shit.

Wink The wording of the title kinda brought it out....
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#70
(05-21-2012, 04:33 PM)Larry Wrote:
(05-21-2012, 04:32 PM)tvguy Wrote: Hey Larry, you aren't looking too smart right now posting bullshit lies from right wing chain emails.
You can't be so stupid as to believe this ancient story about Jane so I'll just assume you wanted to stir up some shit.

Wink The wording of the title kinda brought it out....

Maybe so but if there is one thing I hate it's those lying chain emails that people send Or forward and that's basically what you just did.

I have acquaintances/ friends who don't email me at all anymore because I had the NERVE to politely explain to them that they were sending me stories that were not true.
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#71
Larry sorta likes having friends like that.
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#72
(05-21-2012, 04:41 PM)PonderThis Wrote: Larry sorta likes having friends like that.

Still waiting.... You gonna back it up with a new topic?
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#73
I've never had any problem saying what I think about Larry anyway. I've sure heard him whine about it, too. Laughing
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#74
Yeah, I didn't think so.
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#75
http://cyberpunk.asia/lexique.php?lng=us#S

Quote:Slit (Vul.) : A slang term for a female.
Slitch (Vul.) : Another slang term for a female.

It's not very nice.
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#76
(05-21-2012, 05:14 PM)Scrapper Wrote: http://cyberpunk.asia/lexique.php?lng=us#S

Quote:Slit (Vul.) : A slang term for a female.
Slitch (Vul.) : Another slang term for a female.

It's not very nice.

Wrong. It is a descriptive word for a slutty bitch.
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#77
(05-21-2012, 05:15 PM)Larry Wrote:
(05-21-2012, 05:14 PM)Scrapper Wrote: http://cyberpunk.asia/lexique.php?lng=us#S

Quote:Slit (Vul.) : A slang term for a female.
Slitch (Vul.) : Another slang term for a female.

It's not very nice.

Wrong. It is a descriptive word for a slutty bitch.

That one shouldn't need to be looked upRazz I'm pretty sure it Chauvinism to say the least.
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#78
(05-21-2012, 02:40 PM)Larry Wrote: America's Sweetheart....

Quote:In Memory of LT. C.Thomsen Wieland who spent 100 days at the Hanoi Hilton [Famous North Vietnam Prison]


This is for all the kids born in the 70's and after who do not remember, and didn't have to bear the burden that our fathers, mothers and older brothers and sisters had to bear.

Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the '100 Women of the Century.'

BARBARA WALTERS WRITES:
Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country, but specific men who served and sacrificed during the Vietnam War.

The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot.
The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat.
In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison the ' Hanoi Hilton.'

Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American 'Peace Activist' the 'lenient and humane treatment' he'd received.

He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was dragged away. During the subsequent beating, he fell forward on to the camp Commandant 's feet, which sent that officer berserk.

In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying career) from the Commandant's frenzied application of a wooden baton.

From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the ' Hanoi Hilton'...the first three of which his family only knew he was 'missing in action'. His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and clothed routine in preparation for a 'peace delegation' visit.

They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they were alive and still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his Social Security Number on it, in the palm of his hand. When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: 'Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?' and 'Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?' Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper.

She took them all without missing a beat.. At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge and handed him all the little pieces of paper...

Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Colonel Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know of her actions that day.

I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam , and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years.

I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one year in a cage in Cambodia ; and one year in a 'black box' in Hanoi . My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Banme Thuot , South Vietnam , whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border. At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs)

We were Jane Fonda's 'war criminals....'

When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi , I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with her. I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real treatment we POWs received... and how different it was from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as 'humane and lenient.'

Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched with a large steel weight placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane.

I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda soon after I was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She never did answer me.

These first-hand experiences do not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of '100 Years of Great Women.' Lest we forget....' 100 Years of Great Women' should never include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many patriots.

There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant treason, is one of them.

RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt,
USAF 716 Maintenance Squadron,
Chief of Maintenance DSN: 875-6431 COMM: 883-6343

That actually never happened

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/h/hanoijane.htm

what she did do was pose on anti-aircraft gun. That was used to shoot down our planes. For me that is very hard to get past. I know she was against the war, protest all you want say the things you want. But keep in mind it goes both ways. Your actions has repercussions. And that is what a lot of people can not get past.
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#79
That the war in Vietnam was immoral and should never have been fought, many innocent civilians lost their lives because of U.S. actions, and Jane had the courage to stand up against it even though America was being brainwashed into acceptance?
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#80
(05-21-2012, 05:51 PM)PonderThis Wrote: That the war in Vietnam was immoral and should never have been fought, many innocent civilians lost their lives because of U.S. actions, and Jane had the courage to stand up against it even though America was being brainwashed into acceptance?

Courage? That is so not the right word. Especially when the real people with courage were fighting a war.
She had her convictions and did what she thought was right at the time to help end the war. I'll give her that much. But it was still a slap in the face to many Americans for her to go to North Vietnam the way she did. Even she has said as much.
Besides by the time she went IMO most Americans already knew this war was absurd and wrong. I sure as hell did and so did most of my friends who at the time, like me, were in the military.
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