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Quote:Feces Fossil, Stone Tools Found In Oregon Caves Dispel Theory About First Americans
GRANTS PASS, Ore. -- Stone tools and human DNA from ancient caves in Oregon offer new evidence of how some of the first Americans spread through the continent: Quite apart from the better-known Clovis culture, a separate group occupied the West.
Archaeologists said Thursday that using multiple techniques, they have dated broken obsidian spear points from Paisley Caves to about 13,200 years ago, as old as much different stone tools from the Clovis culture found in the southeast and interior United States. Radio-carbon dating of human DNA from coprolites – ancient desiccated human feces – shows people lived in the caves as early as 14,300 years ago.
The dates indicate that the Clovis style of chipping stone was not the mother of Stone Age technology, as others have theorized, and that the two styles were developed independently by different groups, said Dennis Jenkins, an archaeologist with the University of Oregon's Museum of Natural and Cultural History who led the excavations. That development may have happened in the Ice Age region of Beringia, where Siberia and Alaska were linked, before the two groups migrated south, he said.
The findings by an international team of scientists from the U.S., Britain and Denmark were reported online Thursday in the journal Science.
The Clovis culture is named for elegantly chipped stone points found at a site uncovered in 1929 near Clovis, N.M. The bases are distinctly concave where they were tied to the wooden shafts of spears or throwing darts for hunting. The style found in Oregon is known as western stemmed projectile points, for their thick bases and their discovery throughout the western U.S.
"The big `aha!' here, or the primary significance of this is that ... we have demonstrated that these western stemmed tradition points are the same age as Clovis," Jenkins said in a teleconference with reporters. "There is no evidence of Clovis or any precursor to Clovis in the caves currently, and so that suggests that you've got here, at the exact same time, at least two technologies."
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I saw this article earlier, but hadn't caught the Oregon reference. Surely they're not referring to the caves known as Oregon Caves near Cave Junction?
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(07-14-2012, 06:51 AM)PonderThis Wrote: I saw this article earlier, but hadn't caught the Oregon reference. Surely they're not referring to the caves known as Oregon Caves near Cave Junction?
I think they are. Have you ever been there? It smells like prehistoric poop!
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Paisley is actually over between Bend and Lakeview on the east side of the Cascades. I read this in a British Science Journal a couple of days ago.
I think Jeff, the AP stringer,is based out of GP.
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I never noticed the smell, but yes, I've been there. It seems like there were bats, I doubt prehistoric poop has an odor. 
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(07-14-2012, 06:56 AM)bbqboy Wrote: Paisley is actually over between Bend and Lakeview on the east side of the Cascades. I read this in a British Science Journal a couple of days ago.
I think Jeff, the AP stringer,is based out of GP.
OK, that makes sense then.
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(07-14-2012, 06:54 AM)Scrapper Wrote: (07-14-2012, 06:51 AM)PonderThis Wrote: I saw this article earlier, but hadn't caught the Oregon reference. Surely they're not referring to the caves known as Oregon Caves near Cave Junction?
I think they are. Have you ever been there? It smells like prehistoric poop!
Scrapper, How would you know what prehistoric poop smells? Your not THAT old! Geesh!
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(07-14-2012, 07:41 AM)HoneyhalfWitch Wrote: (07-14-2012, 06:54 AM)Scrapper Wrote: (07-14-2012, 06:51 AM)PonderThis Wrote: I saw this article earlier, but hadn't caught the Oregon reference. Surely they're not referring to the caves known as Oregon Caves near Cave Junction?
I think they are. Have you ever been there? It smells like prehistoric poop!
Scrapper, How would you know what prehistoric poop smells? Your not THAT old! Geesh!
Ha! Thanks, Honey! 
It smells! I just imagine it smells like prehistoric poop. I suppose fresh stuff does smell worse, eh?!?! 
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(07-14-2012, 07:45 AM)Scrapper Wrote: (07-14-2012, 07:41 AM)HoneyhalfWitch Wrote: (07-14-2012, 06:54 AM)Scrapper Wrote: (07-14-2012, 06:51 AM)PonderThis Wrote: I saw this article earlier, but hadn't caught the Oregon reference. Surely they're not referring to the caves known as Oregon Caves near Cave Junction?
I think they are. Have you ever been there? It smells like prehistoric poop!
Scrapper, How would you know what prehistoric poop smells? Your not THAT old! Geesh!
Ha! Thanks, Honey!
It smells! I just imagine it smells like prehistoric poop. I suppose fresh stuff does smell worse, eh?!?!
You're* UGH
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Many Native American anthropologists state American Indians did NOT originate from folks who crossed the Bering Strait.
That's one reason this news is significant.
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(07-14-2012, 10:59 AM)Clone Wrote: Many Native American anthropologists state American Indians did NOT originate from folks who crossed the Bering Strait.
That's one reason this news is significant.
They actually came from Africa, when it was still connected to south America.
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