Is Medical Marijuana Horse Shit?

[GoCometsGo]

Your mistake is that GCG suggested that the current setup is crappy because it's easy to abuse, and suggested either fixing it or simply making marijuana legal. That's it. You're the one who assumed he WANTED to crack down on it.


If you actually look at EVERYTHING he said, IN CONTEXT, you'll see that you are completely and totally wrong in your assumptions and accusations...

Hmmm... not exactly sure where I said any of that. I think I've been pretty clear about the entire "horseshit" angle. The current situation, as it is being practiced, is tantamount to it being legal. So if that's where we are going to be, then end the "medical" charade and just legalize it.

OTHERWISE, if where we want to be is for it to REALLY be used for medical purposes ONLY, then crack down on those that are growing and selling to folks that do not have a card... and make getting a card much more difficult.

The current situation is a charade. There is no question of that. Just because there are some folks with a real need doesn't make it any less of a charade. I am at the point where I don't care if it is legalized... just quit the medical cards. If anyone that wants one can get one, then what is the point of even having them?

THAT'S what I'm talking about.

[tvguy]

Better get cracking down and tightening up eh?

So are you still basically against legalizing the stuff although you don't care if it is legalized?

I think maybe you got yourself a card.

[Wonky]

I know a guy who works full time, under the table and gets food stamps.

So the foodstamp program is a charade/horseshit because even though those who need help get help but some who don't need help get help.

IMO The only thing that makes any sense by being upset that some people can have marijuana legally who aren't sick is because a person doesn't think they should have the drug.

The medical marijuana system is somewhat flawed because there is no way to PROVE a patient is really in pain or is experiencing real nausea . And obviously some people can either fake it of exaggerate.
People with cancer or aids aren't faking anything. I bet they don't think it's horseshit and I doubt if they care if someone abuses the system they need.

You see the issue so clearly. I know that because I agree completely with this post.

I'd like to reply to this but I'm so wasted I can't remember who I am. Could someone dial 541-095-1234 and tell me who I am, please.
Never mind.
I remember a bit now. I don't really want to know who I am.
I'm hungry! There are only some frozen peas in the house, and they are starting to sound really good.
Is Mr. Obama still our president? Yeah? Cool.
I gotta go, the cat is using the cell phone and running up my bill. Hold it! Not the cat...it's my wife. I wonder what her name is?
Man, this is some Gonzo bud!
I need it for my bad knee. I REALLY helps.

Come on Wonker? I know you are trying for humor but that doesn't sound like a weed high to me.

Wow man, I swear you are some kind of super sleuth or something!

I'm down now, just livin' the life, ya know.

But you were right. I bumped the weed with a sugar high...6 Snicker bars; the big jobs. And so what the hell, backed it up with a little nose candy, and for good measure stuffed a spoon of coke in the other side of the nose. Wanting some color, I dropped a tab of LSD, sniffed some glue, and took some pain pills I had left over from a sore finger. I thought about popping a couple of Viagra and hanging myself for "that special effect", but hey, you know me: I don't like to do crazy shit.

Just another fun day at the funny farm. In reality the nurse gave me four M&M's. And not a blue one in the bunch.

Life at the home. It ain't for sissies.

[tvguy]

I know a guy who works full time, under the table and gets food stamps.

So the foodstamp program is a charade/horseshit because even though those who need help get help but some who don't need help get help.

IMO The only thing that makes any sense by being upset that some people can have marijuana legally who aren't sick is because a person doesn't think they should have the drug.

The medical marijuana system is somewhat flawed because there is no way to PROVE a patient is really in pain or is experiencing real nausea . And obviously some people can either fake it of exaggerate.
People with cancer or aids aren't faking anything. I bet they don't think it's horseshit and I doubt if they care if someone abuses the system they need.

You see the issue so clearly. I know that because I agree completely with this post.

I'd like to reply to this but I'm so wasted I can't remember who I am. Could someone dial 541-095-1234 and tell me who I am, please.
Never mind.
I remember a bit now. I don't really want to know who I am.
I'm hungry! There are only some frozen peas in the house, and they are starting to sound really good.
Is Mr. Obama still our president? Yeah? Cool.
I gotta go, the cat is using the cell phone and running up my bill. Hold it! Not the cat...it's my wife. I wonder what her name is?
Man, this is some Gonzo bud!
I need it for my bad knee. I REALLY helps.

Come on Wonker? I know you are trying for humor but that doesn't sound like a weed high to me.

Wow man, I swear you are some kind of super sleuth or something!

I'm down now, just livin' the life, ya know.

But you were right. I bumped the weed with a sugar high...6 Snicker bars; the big jobs. And so what the hell, backed it up with a little nose candy, and for good measure stuffed a spoon of coke in the other side of the nose. Wanting some color, I dropped a tab of LSD, sniffed some glue, and took some pain pills I had left over from a sore finger. I thought about popping a couple of Viagra and hanging myself for "that special effect", but hey, you know me: I don't like to do crazy shit.

Just another fun day at the funny farm. In reality the nurse gave me four M&M's. And not a blue one in the bunch.

Life at the home. It ain't for sissies.

Ahh The glue, now I got it. What's the deal? you got something against huffing spray paint?

[Wonky]

You see the issue so clearly. I know that because I agree completely with this post.

I'd like to reply to this but I'm so wasted I can't remember who I am. Could someone dial 541-095-1234 and tell me who I am, please.
Never mind.
I remember a bit now. I don't really want to know who I am.
I'm hungry! There are only some frozen peas in the house, and they are starting to sound really good.
Is Mr. Obama still our president? Yeah? Cool.
I gotta go, the cat is using the cell phone and running up my bill. Hold it! Not the cat...it's my wife. I wonder what her name is?
Man, this is some Gonzo bud!
I need it for my bad knee. I REALLY helps.

Come on Wonker? I know you are trying for humor but that doesn't sound like a weed high to me.

Wow man, I swear you are some kind of super sleuth or something!

I'm down now, just livin' the life, ya know.

But you were right. I bumped the weed with a sugar high...6 Snicker bars; the big jobs. And so what the hell, backed it up with a little nose candy, and for good measure stuffed a spoon of coke in the other side of the nose. Wanting some color, I dropped a tab of LSD, sniffed some glue, and took some pain pills I had left over from a sore finger. I thought about popping a couple of Viagra and hanging myself for "that special effect", but hey, you know me: I don't like to do crazy shit.

Just another fun day at the funny farm. In reality the nurse gave me four M&M's. And not a blue one in the bunch.

Life at the home. It ain't for sissies.

Ahh The glue, now I got it. What's the deal? you got something against huffing spray paint?

What, you crazy? Spray paint? As I pointed out above, I don't do crazy shit.

[GoCometsGo]

Better get cracking down and tightening up eh?

So are you still basically against legalizing the stuff although you don't care if it is legalized?

I think maybe you got yourself a card.

Just for fun... let's use my exact words:

I am basically against legalizing the stuff but I realize that I am on shaky ground.

AND

I am at the point where I don't care if it is legalized.

So there they are. What a turn around! What a flip-flop! How can one person waver so?

Let me see if I can try to make sense of these seemingly contradictory statements.

UHHHHH. If I had my druthers, I would prefer smoking herb not be made as legal as cigarettes. HOWEVER, since it practically already IS as legal as smoking cigarettes, under the guise of "medical need", (which could be almost ANYTHING, including legitimate needs), then I say just call it what it is and legalize it. Because legalizing it makes more sense than doing what we are now doing.

Can we put this to rest now?

[cletus1]

Better get cracking down and tightening up eh?

So are you still basically against legalizing the stuff although you don't care if it is legalized?

I think maybe you got yourself a card.

Just for fun... let's use my exact words:

I am basically against legalizing the stuff but I realize that I am on shaky ground.

AND

I am at the point where I don't care if it is legalized.

So there they are. What a turn around! What a flip-flop! How can one person waver so?

Let me see if I can try to make sense of these seemingly contradictory statements.

UHHHHH. If I had my druthers, I would prefer smoking herb not be made as legal as cigarettes. HOWEVER, since it practically already IS as legal as smoking cigarettes, under the guise of "medical need", (which could be almost ANYTHING, including legitimate needs), then I say just call it what it is and legalize it. Because legalizing it makes more sense than doing what we are now doing.

Can we put this to rest now?

No. Nothing is over till we say its over and it ain't over.

Still think medical marijuana is hose shit?

My biggest problem with conservatives is that many of them are major busy bodies when it comes to social issues. Its not good enough for them to not smoke pot, they don't want anyone else doing it either. Its not good enough that they are not going to marry someone of the same sex, they don't want anyone else doing it either. They champion states rights mostly when those states are restricting someone elses freedom of choice. They are full of horse shit if you know what I mean.

This country would be a much nicer place if conservatives would just mind their own business.

[Wonky]

Better get cracking down and tightening up eh?

So are you still basically against legalizing the stuff although you don't care if it is legalized?

I think maybe you got yourself a card.

Just for fun... let's use my exact words:

I am basically against legalizing the stuff but I realize that I am on shaky ground.

AND

I am at the point where I don't care if it is legalized.

So there they are. What a turn around! What a flip-flop! How can one person waver so?

Let me see if I can try to make sense of these seemingly contradictory statements.

UHHHHH. If I had my druthers, I would prefer smoking herb not be made as legal as cigarettes. HOWEVER, since it practically already IS as legal as smoking cigarettes, under the guise of "medical need", (which could be almost ANYTHING, including legitimate needs), then I say just call it what it is and legalize it. Because legalizing it makes more sense than doing what we are now doing.

Can we put this to rest now?

No. Nothing is over till we say its over and it ain't over.

Still think medical marijuana is hose shit?

My biggest problem with conservatives is that many of them are major busy bodies when it comes to social issues. Its not good enough for them to not smoke pot, they don't want anyone else doing it either. Its not good enough that they are not going to marry someone of the same sex, they don't want anyone else doing it either. They champion states rights mostly when those states are restricting someone elses freedom of choice. They are full of horse shit if you know what I mean.

This country would be a much nicer place if conservatives would just mind their own business.

True.
And this country would be a much nicer place if liberals would just mind their own business.

The trick, it seems, is to know the difference between our own "personal business" and the social "business" we agree is important to build and maintain a functional society that will endure.

A "Your nose and my fist" kind of thing.

[csrowan]

Better get cracking down and tightening up eh?

So are you still basically against legalizing the stuff although you don't care if it is legalized?

I think maybe you got yourself a card.

Just for fun... let's use my exact words:

I am basically against legalizing the stuff but I realize that I am on shaky ground.

AND

I am at the point where I don't care if it is legalized.

So there they are. What a turn around! What a flip-flop! How can one person waver so?

Let me see if I can try to make sense of these seemingly contradictory statements.

UHHHHH. If I had my druthers, I would prefer smoking herb not be made as legal as cigarettes. HOWEVER, since it practically already IS as legal as smoking cigarettes, under the guise of "medical need", (which could be almost ANYTHING, including legitimate needs), then I say just call it what it is and legalize it. Because legalizing it makes more sense than doing what we are now doing.

Can we put this to rest now?

No. Nothing is over till we say its over and it ain't over.

Still think medical marijuana is hose shit?

My biggest problem with conservatives is that many of them are major busy bodies when it comes to social issues. Its not good enough for them to not smoke pot, they don't want anyone else doing it either. Its not good enough that they are not going to marry someone of the same sex, they don't want anyone else doing it either. They champion states rights mostly when those states are restricting someone elses freedom of choice. They are full of horse shit if you know what I mean.

This country would be a much nicer place if conservatives would just mind their own business.

True.
And this country would be a much nicer place if liberals would just mind their own business.

The trick, it seems, is to know the difference between our own "personal business" and the social "business" we agree is important to build and maintain a functional society that will endure.

A "Your nose and my fist" kind of thing.

It's really quite simple. The government should keep its nose out of stuff I think should be unregulated, and they should create all sorts of rules around the things I think need to be regulated. If everyone can just agree with me, we'd be fine.

[PonderThis]

My biggest problem with conservatives is that many of them are major busy bodies when it comes to social issues. Its not good enough for them to not smoke pot, they don't want anyone else doing it either. Its not good enough that they are not going to marry someone of the same sex, they don't want anyone else doing it either. They champion states rights mostly when those states are restricting someone elses freedom of choice. They are full of horse shit if you know what I mean.

This country would be a much nicer place if conservatives would just mind their own business.

True.
And this country would be a much nicer place if liberals would just mind their own business.

The trick, it seems, is to know the difference between our own "personal business" and the social "business" we agree is important to build and maintain a functional society that will endure.

A "Your nose and my fist" kind of thing.

Perhaps you'll give some examples of liberals not minding their own business, being as how Cletus provided us some examples of conservative nosiness.

And, I never understand this talk of beating others up, why does it always come to this?

[Wonky]

My biggest problem with conservatives is that many of them are major busy bodies when it comes to social issues. Its not good enough for them to not smoke pot, they don't want anyone else doing it either. Its not good enough that they are not going to marry someone of the same sex, they don't want anyone else doing it either. They champion states rights mostly when those states are restricting someone elses freedom of choice. They are full of horse shit if you know what I mean.

This country would be a much nicer place if conservatives would just mind their own business.

True.
And this country would be a much nicer place if liberals would just mind their own business.

The trick, it seems, is to know the difference between our own "personal business" and the social "business" we agree is important to build and maintain a functional society that will endure.

A "Your nose and my fist" kind of thing.

Perhaps you'll give some examples of liberals not minding their own business, being as how Cletus provided us some examples of conservative nosiness.

And, I never understand this talk of beating others up, why does it always come to this?

I'll leave you to think about both issues.
You're a smart guy, and I trust you will figure it out.
Like the guy who sat up all night trying to figure our where the sun went at sundown, it finally dawned on him.
Because I really don't want to get into one of your petty little "back and forth" things you do with others.
No rocket science here, just uncomplicated exchanges of views.

[PonderThis]

My contributions are no more petty than anyone elses here, and my uncomplicated exchange of views is, violence is for those who can't make reasoned arguments for their points of view, so they feel entitled to beat somebody up instead. That's not a very good way of persuading people to think differently, and generally leads to retaliation of some sort later, too.

Besides, pot users (and liberals) are generally far more non violent than conservatives anyway.

[tvguy]

My biggest problem with conservatives is that many of them are major busy bodies when it comes to social issues. Its not good enough for them to not smoke pot, they don't want anyone else doing it either. Its not good enough that they are not going to marry someone of the same sex, they don't want anyone else doing it either. They champion states rights mostly when those states are restricting someone elses freedom of choice. They are full of horse shit if you know what I mean.

This country would be a much nicer place if conservatives would just mind their own business.

True.
And this country would be a much nicer place if liberals would just mind their own business.

The trick, it seems, is to know the difference between our own "personal business" and the social "business" we agree is important to build and maintain a functional society that will endure.

A "Your nose and my fist" kind of thing.

Perhaps you'll give some examples of liberals not minding their own business, being as how Cletus provided us some examples of conservative nosiness.

And, I never understand this talk of beating others up, why does it always come to this?

What about far left Liberals who are against logging a tiny fraction of an Oregon state forest or a 10 year period. Ever heard of earth first? And I remember you and rainy lady couldn't manage to utter one word in favor of cutting a single tree on that thread.
What about your own personal views? you sit here and denigrate loggers , hunters, fishermen and given the opportunity you sure as hell would stop it all if you could.
What about liberals who want to take the guns away from Americans? Or tax their bullets.
What about the liberal idiots who throw blood on people wearing fur or break in to mink raising facilities and release all of the animals?
You would have to be deaf dumb and blind to miss all of these blatant examples of "liberals not minding their own business"

And, I never understand this talk of beating others up, why does it always come to this?

I really has nothing to do with with anyone beating anyone up. It simply means you have the right wave your fists around all you like but you DON'T have the right to hit anyone.

[Wonky]

My biggest problem with conservatives is that many of them are major busy bodies when it comes to social issues. Its not good enough for them to not smoke pot, they don't want anyone else doing it either. Its not good enough that they are not going to marry someone of the same sex, they don't want anyone else doing it either. They champion states rights mostly when those states are restricting someone elses freedom of choice. They are full of horse shit if you know what I mean.

This country would be a much nicer place if conservatives would just mind their own business.

True.
And this country would be a much nicer place if liberals would just mind their own business.

The trick, it seems, is to know the difference between our own "personal business" and the social "business" we agree is important to build and maintain a functional society that will endure.

A "Your nose and my fist" kind of thing.

Perhaps you'll give some examples of liberals not minding their own business, being as how Cletus provided us some examples of conservative nosiness.

And, I never understand this talk of beating others up, why does it always come to this?

What about far left Liberals who are against logging a tiny fraction of an Oregon state forest or a 10 year period. Ever heard of earth first? And I remember you and rainy lady couldn't manage to utter one word in favor of cutting a single tree on that thread.
What about your own personal views? you sit here and denigrate loggers , hunters, fishermen and given the opportunity you sure as hell would stop it all if you could.
What about liberals who want to take the guns away from Americans? Or tax their bullets.
What about the liberal idiots who throw blood on people wearing fur or break in to mink raising facilities and release all of the animals?
You would have to be deaf dumb and blind to miss all of these blatant examples of "liberals not minding their own business"

And, I never understand this talk of beating others up, why does it always come to this?

I really has nothing to do with with anyone beating anyone up. It simply means you have the right wave your fists around all you like but you DON'T have the right to hit anyone.

You just can't resist, can you TVg? He has you firmly hooked on a 90# line, hook line and sinker. You can't win. Hell, you can't even tie. But battle on, "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger". Maybe.

[gapper]

My biggest problem with conservatives is that many of them are major busy bodies when it comes to social issues. Its not good enough for them to not smoke pot, they don't want anyone else doing it either. Its not good enough that they are not going to marry someone of the same sex, they don't want anyone else doing it either. They champion states rights mostly when those states are restricting someone elses freedom of choice. They are full of horse shit if you know what I mean.

This country would be a much nicer place if conservatives would just mind their own business.

True.
And this country would be a much nicer place if liberals would just mind their own business.

The trick, it seems, is to know the difference between our own "personal business" and the social "business" we agree is important to build and maintain a functional society that will endure.

A "Your nose and my fist" kind of thing.

Perhaps you'll give some examples of liberals not minding their own business, being as how Cletus provided us some examples of conservative nosiness.

And, I never understand this talk of beating others up, why does it always come to this?

What about far left Liberals who are against logging a tiny fraction of an Oregon state forest or a 10 year period. Ever heard of earth first? And I remember you and rainy lady couldn't manage to utter one word in favor of cutting a single tree on that thread.
What about your own personal views? you sit here and denigrate loggers , hunters, fishermen and given the opportunity you sure as hell would stop it all if you could.
What about liberals who want to take the guns away from Americans? Or tax their bullets.
What about the liberal idiots who throw blood on people wearing fur or break in to mink raising facilities and release all of the animals?
You would have to be deaf dumb and blind to miss all of these blatant examples of "liberals not minding their own business"

And, I never understand this talk of beating others up, why does it always come to this?

I really has nothing to do with with anyone beating anyone up. It simply means you have the right wave your fists around all you like but you DON'T have the right to hit anyone.

You just can't resist, can you TVg? He has you firmly hooked on a 90# line, hook line and sinker. You can't win. Hell, you can't even tie. But battle on, "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger". Maybe.

Like moths to a flame. Both of em.....

[cletus1]

Most liberals see themselves as "do gooders" and yes they try to enact all kinds of laws too. Its their version of minding all our business, but I will say that most of the stuff they try to legislate is generally good for people. You know, stuff like making it illegal to smoke in cars with kids, banning dangerous pesticides, making it illegal to pollute streams and other bodies of water, banning smoking indoors, and regulating lots of other health and safety issues. These points are obviously arguable and we do plenty of it right here.


But it ain't over.

[Wonky]

True.
And this country would be a much nicer place if liberals would just mind their own business.

The trick, it seems, is to know the difference between our own "personal business" and the social "business" we agree is important to build and maintain a functional society that will endure.

A "Your nose and my fist" kind of thing.

Perhaps you'll give some examples of liberals not minding their own business, being as how Cletus provided us some examples of conservative nosiness.

And, I never understand this talk of beating others up, why does it always come to this?

What about far left Liberals who are against logging a tiny fraction of an Oregon state forest or a 10 year period. Ever heard of earth first? And I remember you and rainy lady couldn't manage to utter one word in favor of cutting a single tree on that thread.
What about your own personal views? you sit here and denigrate loggers , hunters, fishermen and given the opportunity you sure as hell would stop it all if you could.
What about liberals who want to take the guns away from Americans? Or tax their bullets.
What about the liberal idiots who throw blood on people wearing fur or break in to mink raising facilities and release all of the animals?
You would have to be deaf dumb and blind to miss all of these blatant examples of "liberals not minding their own business"

And, I never understand this talk of beating others up, why does it always come to this?

I really has nothing to do with with anyone beating anyone up. It simply means you have the right wave your fists around all you like but you DON'T have the right to hit anyone.

You just can't resist, can you TVg? He has you firmly hooked on a 90# line, hook line and sinker. You can't win. Hell, you can't even tie. But battle on, "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger". Maybe.

Like moths to a flame. Both of em.....

And here is a mystery. I've "broken bread" with both of them.

Ponder is a really interesting guy who lives a bit of a "Henry David Thoreau" like life. One could listen for a long time to his views about how things could be different if we all would consider options not so far from the beaten path, but still living in a real world without chanting, eating grass, and barking at the moon. He's the kind of guy you like having a beer (or two) with. I know for a fact that he is generous. To a fault, actually.

TVg is inventive like you can't believe. He can turn 80 pounds of junk into either a profit, a outbuilding, or some kind of artwork. He is devoted to family (and especially his wonderful dogs) and he is without a doubt the most resourceful guy I've ever known. His sense of humor can be biting, but he is witty and easy to be with. He values work in the tradition of the "old dudes" who taught him how to work and to take pride in the getting it done. An all around stand up guy.

So, why this internal battle?

Only the shadow knows. I think they outta get together for a beer.

[gapper]

Most liberals see themselves as "do gooders" and yes they try to enact all kinds of laws too. Its their version of minding all our business, but I will say that most of the stuff they try to legislate is generally good for people. You know, stuff like making it illegal to smoke in cars with kids, banning dangerous pesticides, making it illegal to pollute streams and other bodies of water, banning smoking indoors, and regulating lots of other health and safety issues. These points are obviously arguable and we do plenty of it right here.


But it ain't over.

[Scrapper]

Ponder is a really interesting guy who lives a bit of a "Henry David Thoreau" like life. One could listen for a long time to his views about how things could be different if we all would consider options not so far from the beaten path, but still living in a real world without chanting, eating grass, and barking at the moon. He's the kind of guy you like having a beer (or two) with. I know for a fact that he is generous. To a fault, actually.

I've also shared a beverage or two (oh yeah... and some food ) with PonderThis. He is a wonderful human being with awesome ideas. Yes, he is also very generous. And, his dog loves him! Which says a lot, in my book!

[tvguy]

Perhaps you'll give some examples of liberals not minding their own business, being as how Cletus provided us some examples of conservative nosiness.

And, I never understand this talk of beating others up, why does it always come to this?

What about far left Liberals who are against logging a tiny fraction of an Oregon state forest or a 10 year period. Ever heard of earth first? And I remember you and rainy lady couldn't manage to utter one word in favor of cutting a single tree on that thread.
What about your own personal views? you sit here and denigrate loggers , hunters, fishermen and given the opportunity you sure as hell would stop it all if you could.
What about liberals who want to take the guns away from Americans? Or tax their bullets.
What about the liberal idiots who throw blood on people wearing fur or break in to mink raising facilities and release all of the animals?
You would have to be deaf dumb and blind to miss all of these blatant examples of "liberals not minding their own business"

And, I never understand this talk of beating others up, why does it always come to this?

I really has nothing to do with with anyone beating anyone up. It simply means you have the right wave your fists around all you like but you DON'T have the right to hit anyone.

You just can't resist, can you TVg? He has you firmly hooked on a 90# line, hook line and sinker. You can't win. Hell, you can't even tie. But battle on, "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger". Maybe.

Like moths to a flame. Both of em.....

And here is a mystery. I've "broken bread" with both of them.

Ponder is a really interesting guy who lives a bit of a "Henry David Thoreau" like life. One could listen for a long time to his views about how things could be different if we all would consider options not so far from the beaten path, but still living in a real world without chanting, eating grass, and barking at the moon. He's the kind of guy you like having a beer (or two) with. I know for a fact that he is generous. To a fault, actually.

TVg is inventive like you can't believe. He can turn 80 pounds of junk into either a profit, a outbuilding, or some kind of artwork. He is devoted to family (and especially his wonderful dogs) and he is without a doubt the most resourceful guy I've ever known. His sense of humor can be biting, but he is witty and easy to be with. He values work in the tradition of the "old dudes" who taught him how to work and to take pride in the getting it done. An all around stand up guy.

So, why this internal battle?

Only the shadow knows. I think they outta get together for a beer.

First of all thanks for the compliments although you are destroying my reputation

Internet battle? I responded directly to what he said. You chose not to, Instead you basically dissed him and insulted him.Although I don't really care or blame you, the truth is that If anyone was starting any shit it was you calling him petty. Right or wrong my post was factual , yours was confrontational.
The couple minutes I spent to bring up all of the things libs do that is indeed sticking my nose in to other people business was not any part of an internet battle.
I spoke of Ponders beliefs because he is a good example of libs who WANT to control many things people do. I also mentioned other libs who do different controlling things.

The truth is that if you guys were really paying attention you might see that Ponder and I haven't argued in quite a long time. So it's pretty funny that when I address ONE of his posts it's some kind of a big deal.

I feel like by responding to his views I'm talking to more people than just him. Which is basically why I don't ignore him. Besides he has lots of good things to say, I don't have anyone on ignore.