Record Breaking Weather

[Wonky3]

• [url=http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/#footnote_16][/url]
  

All good examples of changing weather conditions. And most likely, our climate is changing, and may in fact have "already changed". But as the information I provided in my previous post suggests, the science is not YET complete and there is no certain data that the CLIMATE HAS CHANGED. But, no doubt if we continue to burn carbon fuels it's going to happen very soon...and maybe has already tilted from weather changes to climate change. 

Science will let us know when we have gone past "the point of returning to normal weather patterns".

most likely, our climate is changing, and may in fact have "already changed".

YA THINK!  I give up. I think your cheese is slipping of your cracker.

It is not customary for anyone to admit they are wrong on the RVF. 

Well...there is some history about these posts.
What I think doesn't matter. What you think matters (' cause youse guys is smart) but doesn't change anything. 
You might want to go back up and read the "science" post I pasted in. Or not. 
I'm not a "climate denier". I'm sure our climate is going to change.
But the science seems to indicate that while we are on the cusp, we still have not slipped into to that place where science is ready to say..."it's changed! Grab you hat, hold on to your ass, and head for the hills".
We do know our weather patterns have changed. But so far...at least...weather is NOT climate. 
Whatever.
What matters is what happens and we know for damn sure that if we don't get a hold on the problem we are going to pay the price. More than likely sooner than later. 

And by the bye...I've admitted to being wrong here before. Too many times I fear.

Wonky..."I'm not a "climate denier". I'm sure our climate is going to change."

It's no big deal it's just that I can't for the life of me figure out how you or anyone can't see that climate change is happening right now. Especially when I posted all those examples.

I don't know, TVg. 'm not a scientist. I have trouble with long division. 
And yes, I did notice all the examples you posteed Makes a person wonder, huh. 
But you never responded to the scientistic excerpt I posted. (A few posts above). 
What I read is that science has a "certain definition" of what climate change is. Simply put (as I understand it) it's when the climate has changed to the point where it's no longer reversible. There are some, as least, who feel if mankind were to make all the necessary changes in our behavior, the climate could still be "saved" and we could go back someday to the more normal weather fluctuations we have known in the past. 

But maybe I'm wrong. I only know what I read. I read "Science" magazine from timet to time and even there there is debate about when climate change can be "declared". 

All I've been arguing here is the definition, because once that is agreed by the whole of the scientific communitny we are in deep shit and we better learn to live in a very different world. You and me may not have to worry too much...Our grandchldren will.

So, whatever our differences, it won't matter much unless the entire worlds population makes changes in burning carbon fuels and the other things that effect our climate. 

Time will tell. We should leave these things to science. They all (mostly) agree our climate is changing. They don't all agree that it has changed to the point where we can never go back to "normal". But soon, that day is coming. Maybe very soon.