Obamacare is Here to Stay
#61
Obama hate is so strong among politicians in southern Red States that they will punish their citizens and lose money to maintain the absurd policy of denying residents access to health care.

Nebraska rejects compromise effort to expand Medicaid
BY JASON MILLMAN
March 19 at 4:45 pm


Nebraska legislators spent the past year crafting a conservative version of Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion that they hoped would gain support in a pretty red state. But after a failed vote in the state legislature Wednesday, the Medicaid expansion is officially dead in Nebraska this year.

So far, 25 states and Washington, DC., have expanded their Medicaid programs in 2014, the first year of Obamacare coverage. With some exceptions, these are mostly blue states that joined the expansion, which was made optional by the Supreme Court’s 2012 decision on the health care law.

For this year and the following two years, the federal government is fully funding the expansion population for states that opt into the program. States can join at any time, but the 100 percent federal match starts going down after 2016, though it won’t drop below 90 percent.

That has left expansion supporters in red states this year trying to figure out how to design the program in a way that could earn Republican votes. The Nebraska bill, which would cover about 54,000 low-income people, borrowed from conservative Medicaid expansion approaches pioneered by Arkansas and Iowa.

“What we began to look at is what would work in the state of Nebraska,” said state Sen. Kathy Campbell, the bill’s sponsor. “We built the [bill] using bits and pieces from waivers we knew that had been accepted by the federal government.”

While the Nebraska bill would enroll everyone in the adult expansion population under the federal poverty level in the traditional Medicaid program, those earning up to 133 percent FPL – the start of eligibility for Obamcare exchange coverage – would get federal dollars to purchase private health insurance plans. The bill also included wellness incentives and reforms to the health care delivery system.

State Sen. Mike Gloor, a former hospital CEO, said he opposed last year’s Medicaid expansion bill because it was “too simplistic,” but he supported this year’s revised version because of its reforms to the delivery system.

“What they came back with is a completely different bill and one that’s transformational,” Gloor said during floor debate. However, the bill sponsored by state Sen. Kathy Campbell was defeated 27-21 in a Wednesday cloture vote after needing 33 votes to advance. Nebraska rules prevent a bill from coming up again after a failed cloture vote.

Supporters say the bill, priced at about $60 million over six years, would have been offset by a projected $2.3 billion in revenue the expansion would have generated for the state over the same time.

“The opposition’s speculation and unfounded conjecture have placed the lives of hundreds of working Nebraskans at risk and jeopardized the health of thousands more," the Nebraska Hospital Association scolded in a statement after the vote. Nebraska’s hospitals, major supporters of the expansion bill, have warned they’re facing financial pressures from about $1.3 billion in Medicare cuts over the next decade because of Obamacare, sequestration and other factors.

Campbell said she’s now pinning her hopes on a new governor and more favorable numbers in the state legislature in 2015. But today’s vote showed that Nebraska has some ways to go before it will accept a major piece of Obamacare.
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(03-23-2014, 09:07 PM)cletus1 Wrote: Obama hate is so strong among politicians in southern Red States that they will punish their citizens and lose money to maintain the absurd policy of denying residents access to health care.

Nebraska rejects compromise effort to expand Medicaid
BY JASON MILLMAN
March 19 at 4:45 pm


Nebraska legislators spent the past year crafting a conservative version of Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion that they hoped would gain support in a pretty red state. But after a failed vote in the state legislature Wednesday, the Medicaid expansion is officially dead in Nebraska this year.
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I bet the citizens of Nebraska will be shocked to here that they are now considered a southern state....
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(03-25-2014, 09:22 AM)SFLiberal Wrote:
(03-23-2014, 09:07 PM)cletus1 Wrote: Obama hate is so strong among politicians in southern Red States that they will punish their citizens and lose money to maintain the absurd policy of denying residents access to health care.

Nebraska rejects compromise effort to expand Medicaid
BY JASON MILLMAN
March 19 at 4:45 pm


Nebraska legislators spent the past year crafting a conservative version of Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion that they hoped would gain support in a pretty red state. But after a failed vote in the state legislature Wednesday, the Medicaid expansion is officially dead in Nebraska this year.
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I bet the citizens of Nebraska will be shocked to here that they are now considered a southern state....

Well it is south of the Dakotas. Smiling

My lack of personal discipline is obvious to me each time I respond to you. I have vowed I would not; that it's an exercise is futility because we are polar in our political views.
And still, here I am…

Obama Care, is a mess.
We already know it and understand the problems ahead.
We also understand that "repeal" is simply not an option, would be a step back and find us again in a place akin to an undeveloped backward nation not able to provide for far too many of our citizens.

If you read widely you understand that most pundits who have knowledge of this problem do see it as a mess. Yet, most agree that it is "fixable" and in the long run will be a positive program that will free up the responsibility of employer paid programs and save business money when the books are settled. (As one example)

It will take time, and it will be painful for some in the "short term". But it's acknowledged that the pain will hit the middle class who can well afford to bear this slight burden for a short period. Maybe on less special Starbucks coffee each day.

But to constantly deride a program we have needed for a hundred years (or more) that can work (in time) is to betray the good efforts of so many who have worked so hard to make a more equitable society.

Think long and hard before you parrot the voices of the shrill negative types who's history of opposition to all progressive programs has been a constant thorn in the side of making life better for all our people. They support the elites, and the elites don't really need all that much help.

You are right: It's a mess (Oregon especially). It's fixable, it will someday be seen as a watershed moment in our national evolution to a great state, and you might want to be part of making it happen.

I'm hoping so.
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#64
(03-25-2014, 09:22 AM)SFLiberal Wrote:
(03-23-2014, 09:07 PM)cletus1 Wrote: Obama hate is so strong among politicians in southern Red States that they will punish their citizens and lose money to maintain the absurd policy of denying residents access to health care.

Nebraska rejects compromise effort to expand Medicaid
BY JASON MILLMAN
March 19 at 4:45 pm


Nebraska legislators spent the past year crafting a conservative version of Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion that they hoped would gain support in a pretty red state. But after a failed vote in the state legislature Wednesday, the Medicaid expansion is officially dead in Nebraska this year.
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I bet the citizens of Nebraska will be shocked to here that they are now considered a southern state....

Don't you have anything to say about how Nebraska is keeping people from getting needed health care insurance SFLiberal?

Yes I know Utah and Nebraska and a few other conservative leaning states are not in the South, even without a geography lesson from you. So, I should have constructed my post better. Big deal; do me a big favor and point out misspelled words too next time, OK?

Now go post some signs in the Facebook topic; at least that does not require any communication skills of your own.
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#65
(03-25-2014, 11:09 AM)cletus1 Wrote:
(03-25-2014, 09:22 AM)SFLiberal Wrote:
(03-23-2014, 09:07 PM)cletus1 Wrote: Obama hate is so strong among politicians in southern Red States that they will punish their citizens and lose money to maintain the absurd policy of denying residents access to health care.

Nebraska rejects compromise effort to expand Medicaid
BY JASON MILLMAN
March 19 at 4:45 pm


Nebraska legislators spent the past year crafting a conservative version of Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion that they hoped would gain support in a pretty red state. But after a failed vote in the state legislature Wednesday, the Medicaid expansion is officially dead in Nebraska this year.
.

I bet the citizens of Nebraska will be shocked to here that they are now considered a southern state....

Don't you have anything to say about how Nebraska is keeping people from getting needed health care insurance SFLiberal?

Yes I know Utah and Nebraska and a few other conservative leaning states are not in the South, even without a geography lesson from you. So, I should have constructed my post better. Big deal; do me a big favor and point out misspelled words too next time, OK?

Now go post some signs in the Facebook topic; at least that does not require any communication skills of your own.

Medicaid is jointly funded by both the states and the feds. At the federal level as far as expenditures it is right behind Social Security and Medicare. Social Security trust fund will be exhausted by 2033, Medicare by 2026, both even sooner than that according to some sources. Medicaid costs because of Obamacare is expected to double in the next 10 years. If a state accepts more federal funds and expands its Medicaid program they are going to be the ones left on the hook to pick up its cost. If a person needs insurance let them get it via the ACA (Obamacare), not medicaid. States like Nebraska are right in not accepting the carrot of more funding by the feds for the first 10 years if they expand their states Medicaid system. When that funding stops the shoe will drop and drop hard on that states taxpayers. In the long run they are protecting the taxpayer of that state. Supreme Court decision ruled that states could opt out so there is nothing Obama can do about it. It's all about states rights. Obama has already intruded into states business where he has no business intruding. Once a state accepts the money and the strings attached with it they are giving up more of their sovereignty.
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(03-26-2014, 03:48 PM)SFLiberal Wrote:
(03-25-2014, 11:09 AM)cletus1 Wrote:
(03-25-2014, 09:22 AM)SFLiberal Wrote:
(03-23-2014, 09:07 PM)cletus1 Wrote: Obama hate is so strong among politicians in southern Red States that they will punish their citizens and lose money to maintain the absurd policy of denying residents access to health care.

Nebraska rejects compromise effort to expand Medicaid
BY JASON MILLMAN
March 19 at 4:45 pm


Nebraska legislators spent the past year crafting a conservative version of Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion that they hoped would gain support in a pretty red state. But after a failed vote in the state legislature Wednesday, the Medicaid expansion is officially dead in Nebraska this year.
.

I bet the citizens of Nebraska will be shocked to here that they are now considered a southern state....

Don't you have anything to say about how Nebraska is keeping people from getting needed health care insurance SFLiberal?

Yes I know Utah and Nebraska and a few other conservative leaning states are not in the South, even without a geography lesson from you. So, I should have constructed my post better. Big deal; do me a big favor and point out misspelled words too next time, OK?

Now go post some signs in the Facebook topic; at least that does not require any communication skills of your own.

Medicaid is jointly funded by both the states and the feds. At the federal level as far as expenditures it is right behind Social Security and Medicare. Social Security trust fund will be exhausted by 2033, Medicare by 2026, both even sooner than that according to some sources. Medicaid costs because of Obamacare is expected to double in the next 10 years. If a state accepts more federal funds and expands its Medicaid program they are going to be the ones left on the hook to pick up its cost. If a person needs insurance let them get it via the ACA (Obamacare), not medicaid. States like Nebraska are right in not accepting the carrot of more funding by the feds for the first 10 years if they expand their states Medicaid system. When that funding stops the shoe will drop and drop hard on that states taxpayers. In the long run they are protecting the taxpayer of that state. Supreme Court decision ruled that states could opt out so there is nothing Obama can do about it. It's all about states rights. Obama has already intruded into states business where he has no business intruding. Once a state accepts the money and the strings attached with it they are giving up more of their sovereignty.

States don't have sovereignty, Sparky.

http://consortiumnews.com/2013/03/06/dan...gnty-myth/
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#67
(03-25-2014, 09:48 AM)Wonky Wrote: Obama Care, is a mess.
We already know it and understand the problems ahead.
We also understand that "repeal" is simply not an option, would be a step back and find us again in a place akin to an undeveloped backward nation not able to provide for far too many of our citizens.

If you read widely you understand that most pundits who have knowledge of this problem do see it as a mess. Yet, most agree that it is "fixable" and in the long run will be a positive program that will free up the responsibility of employer paid programs and save business money when the books are settled. (As one example)

It will take time, and it will be painful for some in the "short term". But it's acknowledged that the pain will hit the middle class who can well afford to bear this slight burden for a short period. Maybe on less special Starbucks coffee each day.

But to constantly deride a program we have needed for a hundred years (or more) that can work (in time) is to betray the good efforts of so many who have worked so hard to make a more equitable society.

Think long and hard before you parrot the voices of the shrill negative types who's history of opposition to all progressive programs has been a constant thorn in the side of making life better for all our people. They support the elites, and the elites don't really need all that much help.

You are right: It's a mess (Oregon especially). It's fixable, it will someday be seen as a watershed moment in our national evolution to a great state, and you might want to be part of making it happen.

I'm hoping so.

Hold on there, Wonk. You've bought into the Dark Side Spin.

Obamacare is not a mess. On the contrary, it has been quite a success. Granted, the federal website was a mess, as were the websites in several states, Oregon the most notable of those. The Cover Oregon website was worse than a mess. It was an unqualified disaster.

Despite that completely non-functional website, Oregon still enrolled over 80,000 for health insurance. When you consider the handicap, that's quite astounding.

As I wrote elsewhere, it's not that right wing conservatives want Obamacare to fail; they are fearful it will succeed -- even a little bit. If government works even a little bit to improve people's lives, then their whole "government always fails / everything should be privatized" argument falls apart. So for them, everything government touches must necessarily turn to poop. It can be no other way. Therefore, Obamacare is a mess.

But it's not.

Remember, Obamacare celebrated its fourth birthday this weekend. Four years it's been around. Remember how it would destroy America, hail socialism, collapse the economy, cause warts, and everything else terrible? Never happened. In fact, Obamacare has improved the lives of millions of Americans in real tangible ways. For instance,



End to Pre-Existing Condition Discrimination: Insurance companies can no longer deny coverage to children because of a pre-existing condition like asthma and diabetes, providing peace of mind for parents of the more than 17.6 million children with pre-existing conditions. Starting in 2014, no American can be discriminated against due to a pre-existing condition.

End to Limits on Care: In the past, some people with cancer or other chronic illnesses ran out of insurance coverage because their health care expenses reached a dollar limit imposed by their insurance company. Under the health care law, insurers can no longer impose lifetime dollar limits on essential health benefits and annual limits are being phased out by 2014. More than 105 million Americans no longer have lifetime limits thanks to the new law.

End to Coverage Cancellations: Insurance companies can no longer drop your coverage when you get sick due to a mistake you made on your application.

Value for Your Premium Dollar: Thanks to the Affordable Care Act’s 80/20 rule, if insurance companies don’t spend at least 80 percent of your premium dollar on medical care and quality improvements rather than advertising, overhead and bonuses for executives, they will have to provide you a rebate. In 2012, 8.5 million people received half a billion dollars in refunds.

Stopping Unreasonable Rate Increases: In every State and for the first time ever, insurance companies are required to publicly justify their actions if they want to raise rates by 10 percent or more.

Small Business Tax Credits: Small businesses have long paid a premium price for health insurance – often 18 percent more than larger employers. The tax credit will benefit an estimated 2 million workers who get their insurance from an estimated 360,000 small employers who will receive the credit in 2011 alone.

Free Prevention Benefits: Insurers are now required to cover a number of recommended preventive services, such as cancer, diabetes and blood pressure screenings, without additional cost sharing such as copays or deductibles. Already, 54 million Americans with private health coverage have gotten better preventive services coverage as a result.

Coverage for Young Adults: Under the law, most young adults who can’t get coverage through their jobs can stay on their parents’ plans until age 26 – a change that has already allowed 3.1 million young adults to get health coverage and given their families peace of mind.

Coverage for Americans with Pre-Existing Conditions: Before the law, many Americans with pre-existing conditions were locked or priced out of the health insurance market. More than 50,000 Americans with pre-existing conditions have gained coverage through the new Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Plan. This temporary program makes health coverage available and more affordable for individuals who are uninsured and have been denied health insurance because of a pre-existing condition. In 2014, insurance discriminating against anyone with a pre-existing condition will be illegal.

Affordable Insurance Exchanges: Affordable Insurance Exchanges are one-stop marketplaces where consumers can choose a private health insurance plan that fits their health needs. Starting in 2014, they will offer to the public the same kinds of insurance choices members of Congress will have. Exchanges will select health plans qualified to offer coverage; facilitate consumer assistance, shopping and enrollment; and coordinate eligibility for the Exchange and potential premium assistance. Already, 33 States and the District of Columbia are on their way to building Exchanges, having received at total of nearly $670 million in Exchange Establishment Grants.

Lower Cost Prescription Drugs: In the past, as many as one in four seniors went without a prescription every year because they couldn’t afford it. To help these seniors, the law provides relief for people in the donut hole – the ones with the highest prescription drug costs. As a first step, in 2010, nearly four million people in the donut hole received a $250 check to help with their costs. In 2011, 3.6 million people with Medicare received a 50 percent discount worth a total of $2.1 billion, or an average of $604 per person, on their brand name prescription drugs when they hit the donut hole. Seniors will see additional savings on covered brand-name and generic drugs while in the coverage gap until the gap is closed in 2020.

Free Preventive Services: Under the new law, seniors can receive recommended preventive services such as flu shots, diabetes screenings, as well as a new Annual Wellness Visit, free of charge. So far, more than 32.5 million seniors have already received one or more free preventive services, including the new Annual Wellness Visit.

Fighting Fraud: The health care law helps stop fraud with tougher screening procedures, stronger penalties, and new technology. Thanks in part to these efforts, we recovered $4.1 billion in taxpayer dollars in 2011, the second year recoveries hit this record-breaking level. Total recoveries over the last three years were $10.7 billion. Prosecutions are way up, too: the number of individuals charged with fraud increased from 821 in fiscal year 2008 to 1,430 in fiscal year 2011 – nearly a 75 percent increase.

Improving Care Coordination and Quality: Through the newly established Center for Medicare and Medicaid Innovation, this Administration is testing and supporting innovative new health care models that can reduce costs and strengthen the quality of health care. So far, it has introduced 16 initiatives involving over 50,000 health care providers that will touch the lives of Medicare and Medicaid beneficiaries in all 50 states.

Providing Choices while Lowering Costs: The number of seniors who joined Medicare Advantage plans increased by 17 percent between 2010 and 2012 while the premiums for such plans dropped by 16 percent – and seniors across the nation have a choice of health plans.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/healthreform/h...e-overview

Before OL and SFL go postal about this info coming from the WH, let me issue a challenge. You prove any of these facts incorrect and I will donate $10 to a charity of your choice. Get going.

So you see, Wonky, Obamacare is not a mess. The mess was the healthcare system that preceded it. It's much, much, much better now. More than that, Democrats have proved once again that government can be used efficiently and effectively to improve the lives of people in real, tangible ways -- even if there are hiccups and glitches along the way.
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(03-26-2014, 07:16 PM)MarkM Wrote:
(03-25-2014, 09:48 AM)Wonky Wrote: Obama Care, is a mess.
We already know it and understand the problems ahead.
We also understand that "repeal" is simply not an option, would be a step back and find us again in a place akin to an undeveloped backward nation not able to provide for far too many of our citizens.

If you read widely you understand that most pundits who have knowledge of this problem do see it as a mess. Yet, most agree that it is "fixable" and in the long run will be a positive program that will free up the responsibility of employer paid programs and save business money when the books are settled. (As one example)

It will take time, and it will be painful for some in the "short term". But it's acknowledged that the pain will hit the middle class who can well afford to bear this slight burden for a short period. Maybe on less special Starbucks coffee each day.

But to constantly deride a program we have needed for a hundred years (or more) that can work (in time) is to betray the good efforts of so many who have worked so hard to make a more equitable society.

Think long and hard before you parrot the voices of the shrill negative types who's history of opposition to all progressive programs has been a constant thorn in the side of making life better for all our people. They support the elites, and the elites don't really need all that much help.

You are right: It's a mess (Oregon especially). It's fixable, it will someday be seen as a watershed moment in our national evolution to a great state, and you might want to be part of making it happen.

I'm hoping so.

Hold on there, Wonk. You've bought into the Dark Side Spin.

Obamacare is not a mess. On the contrary, it has been quite a success. Granted, the federal website was a mess, as were the websites in several states, Oregon the most notable of those. The Cover Oregon website was worse than a mess. It was an unqualified disaster.

Despite that completely non-functional website, Oregon still enrolled over 80,000 for health insurance. When you consider the handicap, that's quite astounding.

As I wrote elsewhere, it's not that right wing conservatives want Obamacare to fail; they are fearful it will succeed -- even a little bit. If government works even a little bit to improve people's lives, then their whole "government always fails / everything should be privatized" argument falls apart. So for them, everything government touches must necessarily turn to poop. It can be no other way. Therefore, Obamacare is a mess.

But it's not.

Remember, Obamacare celebrated its fourth birthday this weekend. Four years it's been around. Remember how it would destroy America, hail socialism, collapse the economy, cause warts, and everything else terrible? Never happened. In fact, Obamacare has improved the lives of millions of Americans in real tangible ways. For instance,



End to Pre-Existing Condition Discrimination: Insurance companies can no longer deny coverage to children because of a pre-existing condition like asthma and diabetes, providing peace of mind for parents of the more than 17.6 million children with pre-existing conditions. Starting in 2014, no American can be discriminated against due to a pre-existing condition.

End to Limits on Care: In the past, some people with cancer or other chronic illnesses ran out of insurance coverage because their health care expenses reached a dollar limit imposed by their insurance company. Under the health care law, insurers can no longer impose lifetime dollar limits on essential health benefits and annual limits are being phased out by 2014. More than 105 million Americans no longer have lifetime limits thanks to the new law.

End to Coverage Cancellations: Insurance companies can no longer drop your coverage when you get sick due to a mistake you made on your application.

Value for Your Premium Dollar: Thanks to the Affordable Care Act’s 80/20 rule, if insurance companies don’t spend at least 80 percent of your premium dollar on medical care and quality improvements rather than advertising, overhead and bonuses for executives, they will have to provide you a rebate. In 2012, 8.5 million people received half a billion dollars in refunds.

Stopping Unreasonable Rate Increases: In every State and for the first time ever, insurance companies are required to publicly justify their actions if they want to raise rates by 10 percent or more.

Small Business Tax Credits: Small businesses have long paid a premium price for health insurance – often 18 percent more than larger employers. The tax credit will benefit an estimated 2 million workers who get their insurance from an estimated 360,000 small employers who will receive the credit in 2011 alone.

Free Prevention Benefits: Insurers are now required to cover a number of recommended preventive services, such as cancer, diabetes and blood pressure screenings, without additional cost sharing such as copays or deductibles. Already, 54 million Americans with private health coverage have gotten better preventive services coverage as a result.

Coverage for Young Adults: Under the law, most young adults who can’t get coverage through their jobs can stay on their parents’ plans until age 26 – a change that has already allowed 3.1 million young adults to get health coverage and given their families peace of mind.

Coverage for Americans with Pre-Existing Conditions: Before the law, many Americans with pre-existing conditions were locked or priced out of the health insurance market. More than 50,000 Americans with pre-existing conditions have gained coverage through the new Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Plan. This temporary program makes health coverage available and more affordable for individuals who are uninsured and have been denied health insurance because of a pre-existing condition. In 2014, insurance discriminating against anyone with a pre-existing condition will be illegal.

Affordable Insurance Exchanges: Affordable Insurance Exchanges are one-stop marketplaces where consumers can choose a private health insurance plan that fits their health needs. Starting in 2014, they will offer to the public the same kinds of insurance choices members of Congress will have. Exchanges will select health plans qualified to offer coverage; facilitate consumer assistance, shopping and enrollment; and coordinate eligibility for the Exchange and potential premium assistance. Already, 33 States and the District of Columbia are on their way to building Exchanges, having received at total of nearly $670 million in Exchange Establishment Grants.

Lower Cost Prescription Drugs: In the past, as many as one in four seniors went without a prescription every year because they couldn’t afford it. To help these seniors, the law provides relief for people in the donut hole – the ones with the highest prescription drug costs. As a first step, in 2010, nearly four million people in the donut hole received a $250 check to help with their costs. In 2011, 3.6 million people with Medicare received a 50 percent discount worth a total of $2.1 billion, or an average of $604 per person, on their brand name prescription drugs when they hit the donut hole. Seniors will see additional savings on covered brand-name and generic drugs while in the coverage gap until the gap is closed in 2020.

Free Preventive Services: Under the new law, seniors can receive recommended preventive services such as flu shots, diabetes screenings, as well as a new Annual Wellness Visit, free of charge. So far, more than 32.5 million seniors have already received one or more free preventive services, including the new Annual Wellness Visit.

Fighting Fraud: The health care law helps stop fraud with tougher screening procedures, stronger penalties, and new technology. Thanks in part to these efforts, we recovered $4.1 billion in taxpayer dollars in 2011, the second year recoveries hit this record-breaking level. Total recoveries over the last three years were $10.7 billion. Prosecutions are way up, too: the number of individuals charged with fraud increased from 821 in fiscal year 2008 to 1,430 in fiscal year 2011 – nearly a 75 percent increase.

Improving Care Coordination and Quality: Through the newly established Center for Medicare and Medicaid Innovation, this Administration is testing and supporting innovative new health care models that can reduce costs and strengthen the quality of health care. So far, it has introduced 16 initiatives involving over 50,000 health care providers that will touch the lives of Medicare and Medicaid beneficiaries in all 50 states.

Providing Choices while Lowering Costs: The number of seniors who joined Medicare Advantage plans increased by 17 percent between 2010 and 2012 while the premiums for such plans dropped by 16 percent – and seniors across the nation have a choice of health plans.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/healthreform/h...e-overview

Before OL and SFL go postal about this info coming from the WH, let me issue a challenge. You prove any of these facts incorrect and I will donate $10 to a charity of your choice. Get going.

So you see, Wonky, Obamacare is not a mess. The mess was the healthcare system that preceded it. It's much, much, much better now. More than that, Democrats have proved once again that government can be used efficiently and effectively to improve the lives of people in real, tangible ways -- even if there are hiccups and glitches along the way.

Saved my life.
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#69
(03-26-2014, 07:37 PM)bbqboy Wrote:
(03-26-2014, 07:16 PM)MarkM Wrote:
(03-25-2014, 09:48 AM)Wonky Wrote: Obama Care, is a mess.
We already know it and understand the problems ahead.
We also understand that "repeal" is simply not an option, would be a step back and find us again in a place akin to an undeveloped backward nation not able to provide for far too many of our citizens.

If you read widely you understand that most pundits who have knowledge of this problem do see it as a mess. Yet, most agree that it is "fixable" and in the long run will be a positive program that will free up the responsibility of employer paid programs and save business money when the books are settled. (As one example)

It will take time, and it will be painful for some in the "short term". But it's acknowledged that the pain will hit the middle class who can well afford to bear this slight burden for a short period. Maybe on less special Starbucks coffee each day.

But to constantly deride a program we have needed for a hundred years (or more) that can work (in time) is to betray the good efforts of so many who have worked so hard to make a more equitable society.

Think long and hard before you parrot the voices of the shrill negative types who's history of opposition to all progressive programs has been a constant thorn in the side of making life better for all our people. They support the elites, and the elites don't really need all that much help.

You are right: It's a mess (Oregon especially). It's fixable, it will someday be seen as a watershed moment in our national evolution to a great state, and you might want to be part of making it happen.

I'm hoping so.

Hold on there, Wonk. You've bought into the Dark Side Spin.

Obamacare is not a mess. On the contrary, it has been quite a success. Granted, the federal website was a mess, as were the websites in several states, Oregon the most notable of those. The Cover Oregon website was worse than a mess. It was an unqualified disaster.

Despite that completely non-functional website, Oregon still enrolled over 80,000 for health insurance. When you consider the handicap, that's quite astounding.

As I wrote elsewhere, it's not that right wing conservatives want Obamacare to fail; they are fearful it will succeed -- even a little bit. If government works even a little bit to improve people's lives, then their whole "government always fails / everything should be privatized" argument falls apart. So for them, everything government touches must necessarily turn to poop. It can be no other way. Therefore, Obamacare is a mess.

But it's not.

Remember, Obamacare celebrated its fourth birthday this weekend. Four years it's been around. Remember how it would destroy America, hail socialism, collapse the economy, cause warts, and everything else terrible? Never happened. In fact, Obamacare has improved the lives of millions of Americans in real tangible ways. For instance,



End to Pre-Existing Condition Discrimination: Insurance companies can no longer deny coverage to children because of a pre-existing condition like asthma and diabetes, providing peace of mind for parents of the more than 17.6 million children with pre-existing conditions. Starting in 2014, no American can be discriminated against due to a pre-existing condition.

End to Limits on Care: In the past, some people with cancer or other chronic illnesses ran out of insurance coverage because their health care expenses reached a dollar limit imposed by their insurance company. Under the health care law, insurers can no longer impose lifetime dollar limits on essential health benefits and annual limits are being phased out by 2014. More than 105 million Americans no longer have lifetime limits thanks to the new law.

End to Coverage Cancellations: Insurance companies can no longer drop your coverage when you get sick due to a mistake you made on your application.

Value for Your Premium Dollar: Thanks to the Affordable Care Act’s 80/20 rule, if insurance companies don’t spend at least 80 percent of your premium dollar on medical care and quality improvements rather than advertising, overhead and bonuses for executives, they will have to provide you a rebate. In 2012, 8.5 million people received half a billion dollars in refunds.

Stopping Unreasonable Rate Increases: In every State and for the first time ever, insurance companies are required to publicly justify their actions if they want to raise rates by 10 percent or more.

Small Business Tax Credits: Small businesses have long paid a premium price for health insurance – often 18 percent more than larger employers. The tax credit will benefit an estimated 2 million workers who get their insurance from an estimated 360,000 small employers who will receive the credit in 2011 alone.

Free Prevention Benefits: Insurers are now required to cover a number of recommended preventive services, such as cancer, diabetes and blood pressure screenings, without additional cost sharing such as copays or deductibles. Already, 54 million Americans with private health coverage have gotten better preventive services coverage as a result.

Coverage for Young Adults: Under the law, most young adults who can’t get coverage through their jobs can stay on their parents’ plans until age 26 – a change that has already allowed 3.1 million young adults to get health coverage and given their families peace of mind.

Coverage for Americans with Pre-Existing Conditions: Before the law, many Americans with pre-existing conditions were locked or priced out of the health insurance market. More than 50,000 Americans with pre-existing conditions have gained coverage through the new Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Plan. This temporary program makes health coverage available and more affordable for individuals who are uninsured and have been denied health insurance because of a pre-existing condition. In 2014, insurance discriminating against anyone with a pre-existing condition will be illegal.

Affordable Insurance Exchanges: Affordable Insurance Exchanges are one-stop marketplaces where consumers can choose a private health insurance plan that fits their health needs. Starting in 2014, they will offer to the public the same kinds of insurance choices members of Congress will have. Exchanges will select health plans qualified to offer coverage; facilitate consumer assistance, shopping and enrollment; and coordinate eligibility for the Exchange and potential premium assistance. Already, 33 States and the District of Columbia are on their way to building Exchanges, having received at total of nearly $670 million in Exchange Establishment Grants.

Lower Cost Prescription Drugs: In the past, as many as one in four seniors went without a prescription every year because they couldn’t afford it. To help these seniors, the law provides relief for people in the donut hole – the ones with the highest prescription drug costs. As a first step, in 2010, nearly four million people in the donut hole received a $250 check to help with their costs. In 2011, 3.6 million people with Medicare received a 50 percent discount worth a total of $2.1 billion, or an average of $604 per person, on their brand name prescription drugs when they hit the donut hole. Seniors will see additional savings on covered brand-name and generic drugs while in the coverage gap until the gap is closed in 2020.

Free Preventive Services: Under the new law, seniors can receive recommended preventive services such as flu shots, diabetes screenings, as well as a new Annual Wellness Visit, free of charge. So far, more than 32.5 million seniors have already received one or more free preventive services, including the new Annual Wellness Visit.

Fighting Fraud: The health care law helps stop fraud with tougher screening procedures, stronger penalties, and new technology. Thanks in part to these efforts, we recovered $4.1 billion in taxpayer dollars in 2011, the second year recoveries hit this record-breaking level. Total recoveries over the last three years were $10.7 billion. Prosecutions are way up, too: the number of individuals charged with fraud increased from 821 in fiscal year 2008 to 1,430 in fiscal year 2011 – nearly a 75 percent increase.

Improving Care Coordination and Quality: Through the newly established Center for Medicare and Medicaid Innovation, this Administration is testing and supporting innovative new health care models that can reduce costs and strengthen the quality of health care. So far, it has introduced 16 initiatives involving over 50,000 health care providers that will touch the lives of Medicare and Medicaid beneficiaries in all 50 states.

Providing Choices while Lowering Costs: The number of seniors who joined Medicare Advantage plans increased by 17 percent between 2010 and 2012 while the premiums for such plans dropped by 16 percent – and seniors across the nation have a choice of health plans.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/healthreform/h...e-overview

Before OL and SFL go postal about this info coming from the WH, let me issue a challenge. You prove any of these facts incorrect and I will donate $10 to a charity of your choice. Get going.

So you see, Wonky, Obamacare is not a mess. The mess was the healthcare system that preceded it. It's much, much, much better now. More than that, Democrats have proved once again that government can be used efficiently and effectively to improve the lives of people in real, tangible ways -- even if there are hiccups and glitches along the way.

Saved my life.

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Glad you're still with us bbqboy, but stories like yours are causing Republicans quite a bit of angst.

The GOP’s position on the law can’t actually withstand on-the-ground realities.

Case in point: Terri Lynn Land — Michigan’s one-time Republican secretary of state, turned Senate candidate — held a first-ever conference call with reporters to trash the ACA on its fourth birthday. But confronted with the question of what happens to people with preexisting medical conditions if the GOP repeals the law (and thus eliminates the individual mandate) — Land’s press aide, Heather Swift, commandeered the call, and tried to take the whole thing off the record.


http://www.salon.com/2014/03/25/republic...rc=nl_wonk

That probably has something to do with the 17.6 million children and 50,000 adults who have directly benefited from being unshackled from pre-existing condition exemptions by the ACA. (Thanks Obama!)

Beyond the hard, cold rhetoric of "Repeal!" the Reps have no answers. None. And they DON'T want to talk about it.

C'mon, Dems. Make'em talk about it!
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(03-26-2014, 07:16 PM)MarkM Wrote:
(03-25-2014, 09:48 AM)Wonky Wrote: Obama Care, is a mess.
We already know it and understand the problems ahead.
We also understand that "repeal" is simply not an option, would be a step back and find us again in a place akin to an undeveloped backward nation not able to provide for far too many of our citizens.

If you read widely you understand that most pundits who have knowledge of this problem do see it as a mess. Yet, most agree that it is "fixable" and in the long run will be a positive program that will free up the responsibility of employer paid programs and save business money when the books are settled. (As one example)

It will take time, and it will be painful for some in the "short term". But it's acknowledged that the pain will hit the middle class who can well afford to bear this slight burden for a short period. Maybe on less special Starbucks coffee each day.

But to constantly deride a program we have needed for a hundred years (or more) that can work (in time) is to betray the good efforts of so many who have worked so hard to make a more equitable society.

Think long and hard before you parrot the voices of the shrill negative types who's history of opposition to all progressive programs has been a constant thorn in the side of making life better for all our people. They support the elites, and the elites don't really need all that much help.

You are right: It's a mess (Oregon especially). It's fixable, it will someday be seen as a watershed moment in our national evolution to a great state, and you might want to be part of making it happen.

I'm hoping so.

Hold on there, Wonk. You've bought into the Dark Side Spin.

Obamacare is not a mess. On the contrary, it has been quite a success. Granted, the federal website was a mess, as were the websites in several states, Oregon the most notable of those. The Cover Oregon website was worse than a mess. It was an unqualified disaster.

Despite that completely non-functional website, Oregon still enrolled over 80,000 for health insurance. When you consider the handicap, that's quite astounding.

As I wrote elsewhere, it's not that right wing conservatives want Obamacare to fail; they are fearful it will succeed -- even a little bit. If government works even a little bit to improve people's lives, then their whole "government always fails / everything should be privatized" argument falls apart. So for them, everything government touches must necessarily turn to poop. It can be no other way. Therefore, Obamacare is a mess.

But it's not.

Remember, Obamacare celebrated its fourth birthday this weekend. Four years it's been around. Remember how it would destroy America, hail socialism, collapse the economy, cause warts, and everything else terrible? Never happened. In fact, Obamacare has improved the lives of millions of Americans in real tangible ways. For instance,



End to Pre-Existing Condition Discrimination: Insurance companies can no longer deny coverage to children because of a pre-existing condition like asthma and diabetes, providing peace of mind for parents of the more than 17.6 million children with pre-existing conditions. Starting in 2014, no American can be discriminated against due to a pre-existing condition.

End to Limits on Care: In the past, some people with cancer or other chronic illnesses ran out of insurance coverage because their health care expenses reached a dollar limit imposed by their insurance company. Under the health care law, insurers can no longer impose lifetime dollar limits on essential health benefits and annual limits are being phased out by 2014. More than 105 million Americans no longer have lifetime limits thanks to the new law.

End to Coverage Cancellations: Insurance companies can no longer drop your coverage when you get sick due to a mistake you made on your application.

Value for Your Premium Dollar: Thanks to the Affordable Care Act’s 80/20 rule, if insurance companies don’t spend at least 80 percent of your premium dollar on medical care and quality improvements rather than advertising, overhead and bonuses for executives, they will have to provide you a rebate. In 2012, 8.5 million people received half a billion dollars in refunds.

Stopping Unreasonable Rate Increases: In every State and for the first time ever, insurance companies are required to publicly justify their actions if they want to raise rates by 10 percent or more.

Small Business Tax Credits: Small businesses have long paid a premium price for health insurance – often 18 percent more than larger employers. The tax credit will benefit an estimated 2 million workers who get their insurance from an estimated 360,000 small employers who will receive the credit in 2011 alone.

Free Prevention Benefits: Insurers are now required to cover a number of recommended preventive services, such as cancer, diabetes and blood pressure screenings, without additional cost sharing such as copays or deductibles. Already, 54 million Americans with private health coverage have gotten better preventive services coverage as a result.

Coverage for Young Adults: Under the law, most young adults who can’t get coverage through their jobs can stay on their parents’ plans until age 26 – a change that has already allowed 3.1 million young adults to get health coverage and given their families peace of mind.

Coverage for Americans with Pre-Existing Conditions: Before the law, many Americans with pre-existing conditions were locked or priced out of the health insurance market. More than 50,000 Americans with pre-existing conditions have gained coverage through the new Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Plan. This temporary program makes health coverage available and more affordable for individuals who are uninsured and have been denied health insurance because of a pre-existing condition. In 2014, insurance discriminating against anyone with a pre-existing condition will be illegal.

Affordable Insurance Exchanges: Affordable Insurance Exchanges are one-stop marketplaces where consumers can choose a private health insurance plan that fits their health needs. Starting in 2014, they will offer to the public the same kinds of insurance choices members of Congress will have. Exchanges will select health plans qualified to offer coverage; facilitate consumer assistance, shopping and enrollment; and coordinate eligibility for the Exchange and potential premium assistance. Already, 33 States and the District of Columbia are on their way to building Exchanges, having received at total of nearly $670 million in Exchange Establishment Grants.

Lower Cost Prescription Drugs: In the past, as many as one in four seniors went without a prescription every year because they couldn’t afford it. To help these seniors, the law provides relief for people in the donut hole – the ones with the highest prescription drug costs. As a first step, in 2010, nearly four million people in the donut hole received a $250 check to help with their costs. In 2011, 3.6 million people with Medicare received a 50 percent discount worth a total of $2.1 billion, or an average of $604 per person, on their brand name prescription drugs when they hit the donut hole. Seniors will see additional savings on covered brand-name and generic drugs while in the coverage gap until the gap is closed in 2020.

Free Preventive Services: Under the new law, seniors can receive recommended preventive services such as flu shots, diabetes screenings, as well as a new Annual Wellness Visit, free of charge. So far, more than 32.5 million seniors have already received one or more free preventive services, including the new Annual Wellness Visit.

Fighting Fraud: The health care law helps stop fraud with tougher screening procedures, stronger penalties, and new technology. Thanks in part to these efforts, we recovered $4.1 billion in taxpayer dollars in 2011, the second year recoveries hit this record-breaking level. Total recoveries over the last three years were $10.7 billion. Prosecutions are way up, too: the number of individuals charged with fraud increased from 821 in fiscal year 2008 to 1,430 in fiscal year 2011 – nearly a 75 percent increase.

Improving Care Coordination and Quality: Through the newly established Center for Medicare and Medicaid Innovation, this Administration is testing and supporting innovative new health care models that can reduce costs and strengthen the quality of health care. So far, it has introduced 16 initiatives involving over 50,000 health care providers that will touch the lives of Medicare and Medicaid beneficiaries in all 50 states.

Providing Choices while Lowering Costs: The number of seniors who joined Medicare Advantage plans increased by 17 percent between 2010 and 2012 while the premiums for such plans dropped by 16 percent – and seniors across the nation have a choice of health plans.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/healthreform/h...e-overview

Before OL and SFL go postal about this info coming from the WH, let me issue a challenge. You prove any of these facts incorrect and I will donate $10 to a charity of your choice. Get going.

So you see, Wonky, Obamacare is not a mess. The mess was the healthcare system that preceded it. It's much, much, much better now. More than that, Democrats have proved once again that government can be used efficiently and effectively to improve the lives of people in real, tangible ways -- even if there are hiccups and glitches along the way.

First off why would you believe anything that comes out of the WH? This is the same WH that repeatedly said that if you like your doctor, if you liked your healthcare provider you could keep them... PERIOD. Secondly if Obamacare was so wonderful why would Obama single handily, and without any authority to do so I might add, change or postpone parts of the law 29 times, the latest just two days ago. If changes need to be made it is the job of the duly elected legislature to make the changes and the president to then sign the changes into law. Nothing in the constitution allows our imperial president to unilaterally make changes all by his lonesome. The changes of which are being made strictly for political reasons due to this years mid-term elections, and have nothing to do with actually fixing the law.

I'm not going to take the time to address each item individually. I don't have the time. For arguments sake let's say that what is on the WH's propaganda website are true, although we know they are not by just looking at the last claim that Obamacare "Providing Choices while Lowering Costs". That has been repeatedly proven false by multiple news sources. A quick Google check is all that is need to disprove that fallacy. There are literally hundreds of articles showing healthcare premiums skyrocketing under Obamacare and peoples choice of healthcare networks shrinking as both doctors and hospitals are not taking Obamacare patients.

Anyway I got distracted. Let's say everything is true, but at what cost? We already know people have lost the doctors and hospitals because of the ACA. The ACA is a big ponzi scheme that would make Bernie Madoff proud. It is dependent on the young and healthy signing up to pay for the old and sick and for those needing subsidies. Those young people are not signing up and polling indicates that they have no intention of signing up. They would rather pay the penalty, if the penalty is actually ever enforced (See Obama delays). We know that most of those that are signing up already had insurance, and at least 20% that have signed up have not paid a single premium. (Another Obama delay). They are approx. 2 million short of what HHS Sec. Sibelius said was needed to make the ACA viable of which at least 40% of those signing up needed to be the young and healthy. The are not even close with any of their target numbers.

Then we get to those that are going to lose or have lost their insurance because of Obamacare. We know 6 million people had their insurance cancelled because of the ACA. Many of which are now being counted in the 5 million that have signed up for Obamacare. If you look at just the numbers there are less insured now than before Obamacare became law. Millions more are going to lose the healthcare plans in the future (See more Obama delays due to the midterm elections)

Then we get to job lose because of the ACA. The CBO, the nonpartisan agency that provides economic data to Congress and the Dems love to use to make a political point, released a report this year that said that the ACA will kill over 2 million net jobs (Remember back in 2008 Pelosi saying it will CREATE 4 million jobs?). Remember the spin the Dem pols tried to put on that report? The same Pelosi said it will allow workers to "escape their jobs", or the WH saying ObamaCare allowed greater "choice" — for workers to scale back their hours to spend more time with their children, or to leave their jobs to launch a small business or startup. Yep. That's what they said.

How about the WH saying Obamacare will lower our national debt? Well the GAO disagrees. If fact the GOA says Obamacare will likely add $6.2 Trillion to our debt over the years.

And here's one of the biggest red flags about the ACA. Remember when the name Obamacare was embraced by Obama and all his fellow Dems? He wore it as a badge of honor and Obama himself refered to the ACA as Obamacare. Suddenly with all the problems with it's rollout, people losing(or will lose) their doctors and the healthcare providers, and people having high premiums and ever higher deductibles, they not longer use the name Obamacare. Suddenly it is now again referred to as the (Un)Affordable Care Act.

Quote:Democratic Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi vehemently corrected a reporter who used the term “Obamacare” at a press conference Thursday, insisting that the correct term for the law is the “Affordable Care Act.”

A reporter asked, “In the current environment in a swing district, is Obamacare a winner or a loser politically?”

Pelosi replied, “I believe that it’s a winner,” and then went into a dissertation on why it should be called by the its proper name.

“It’s called the Affordable Care Act. It’s called the Affordable Care Act. I know you didn’t intend any compliment or derogatory — it’s called the Affordable Care Act, and the Affordable Care Act, when people know what it is and see what it means to them, and that’s the case that we have to make.”

The reporter pointed out that President Barack Obama himself had used that phrase. “I actually like the name,” the president said in 2012.

“And I tell him the same thing I told you,” Pelosi said laughing. “Affordable. Affordable. There’s a reason –affordable. Affordable. Affordable. Affordable. Affordable. The reason they changed the name of it is because they wanted to get away, the opponents, from the word affordable. And that’s why I’m patient with some of these comments, whatever it is, it’s infinitely more affordable than the path that we’re on without it.”

I would like the $10 sent to the Red Cross in Washington to help those affected by the mud slide. Thanks
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I'm sorry . . . what was the erroneous fact I posted?
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You didn't prove anything.
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(03-27-2014, 10:36 AM)SFLiberal Wrote: I would like the $10 sent to the Red Cross in Washington to help those affected by the mud slide. Thanks

Send your $10 to: http://www.youcaring.com/nonprofits/casc...und/154422


And as to the rest of your drivel... Rolling Eyes
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(03-27-2014, 10:36 AM)SFLiberal Wrote: First off why would you believe anything that comes out of the WH?

Because I can read. I can fact-check. I can think for myself. And oh yeah, I don't suffer from Obama-Derangement Syndrome, and I don't read, listen to, or watch right wing propaganda -- unless I want a good laugh.

This is the same WH that repeatedly said that if you like your doctor, if you liked your healthcare provider you could keep them... PERIOD. Secondly if Obamacare was so wonderful why would Obama single handily, and without any authority to do so I might add, change or postpone parts of the law 29 times, the latest just two days ago. If changes need to be made it is the job of the duly elected legislature to make the changes and the president to then sign the changes into law. Nothing in the constitution allows our imperial president to unilaterally make changes all by his lonesome. The changes of which are being made strictly for political reasons due to this years mid-term elections, and have nothing to do with actually fixing the law.

If the changes are so illegal and unconstitutional, then tell Rep. Issa about them. Issa's been looking for something to hang on the Obama Administration for three years and coming up empty. I'm sure he'd love to prosecute.

You don't have to look at each fact individually. Just pick one. Any one. Should be like shooting fish in a barrel if the ACA is as bad as you claim.


Anyway I got distracted. Let's say everything is true, but at what cost?

What's the cost of doing nothing? Or going back to what we had before, which was you remember the most expensive health care system on the planet?

Quote:Democratic Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi vehemently corrected a reporter who used the term “Obamacare” at a press conference Thursday, insisting that the correct term for the law is the “Affordable Care Act.”

A reporter asked, “In the current environment in a swing district, is Obamacare a winner or a loser politically?”

Pelosi replied, “I believe that it’s a winner,” and then went into a dissertation on why it should be called by the its proper name.

“It’s called the Affordable Care Act. It’s called the Affordable Care Act. I know you didn’t intend any compliment or derogatory — it’s called the Affordable Care Act, and the Affordable Care Act, when people know what it is and see what it means to them, and that’s the case that we have to make.”

The reporter pointed out that President Barack Obama himself had used that phrase. “I actually like the name,” the president said in 2012.

“And I tell him the same thing I told you,” Pelosi said laughing. “Affordable. Affordable. There’s a reason –affordable. Affordable. Affordable. Affordable. Affordable. The reason they changed the name of it is because they wanted to get away, the opponents, from the word affordable. And that’s why I’m patient with some of these comments, whatever it is, it’s infinitely more affordable than the path that we’re on without it.”

According to this non-sequitor, you want to repeal the ACA because Pelosi wants to call it by its legal name? Really? Is that all you have?

I would like the $10 sent to the Red Cross in Washington to help those affected by the mud slide. Thanks

Sorry. You're going to have to sing for your supper. There are like 20 statistics from the WH in my post. Prove any one of them wrong.

I wish I could get $10 for charity every time I prove something you post incorrect. Cancer would be history by now.
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As for the current "illegal" change to Obamacare (or the ACA in "Pelosi-speak") it was only necessary because the demand for insurance is so high. If no one wanted it, why extend the deadline? Of course, this enrages Reps because they are so afraid that someone might actually get helped by a government program and begin to question the entire line of Rep-Con bull.

Want proof? Check out the LATimes. Not only does it show the demand for Obamacare is high, the much maligned website is up and running -- and running very well.

more than a million people a day are visiting HealthCare.gov, administration officials said Wednesday.

The site – the main portal for insurance marketplaces in 36 states – got 1.2 million visitors Tuesday and 1.1 million visitors Monday, according to the administration.

At the same time, call centers received more than 500,000 calls over those two days.

Despite the crush, the website, which crashed repeatedly last year, has been stable, said Kurt DelBene, a former Microsoft executive who has been overseeing the website operations as a senior advisor to Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius.

“Since the traffic started to climb, we have seen only minor issues, all of which have been addressed rapidly,” DelBene said.

The surge in consumers comes as the administration is taking steps to ensure that Americans who start the enrollment process by Monday but fail to complete it will still be able to get health coverage.


http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/p...rc=nl_wonk

People are now predicting that the government will reach its enrollment goals.

But that's who we are as Americans. When something doesn't work, we fix it. Apollo 1 burned up on the launch pad. We didn't scrap the program. We fixed it. And we went to the moon. That's what we do.

Even though Rep-Cons are doing everything possible to muck it up, Obamacare is going to work for millions and millions of Americans. In fact, it already has.
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Quote:CNN Breaking News
12:10 PM

More than 6 million people have signed up for Obamacare, a symbolic victory after the program's difficult rollout.
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7 million is in its sights.
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(03-27-2014, 01:06 PM)Scrapper Wrote:
Quote:CNN Breaking News
12:10 PM

More than 6 million people have signed up for Obamacare, a symbolic victory after the program's difficult rollout.

That's 6 million the same number that SFLiberal said lost their crappy insurance because of Obamacare. Coincidence??? BlinkBig Grin
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You can fool some of the people some of the time, but people have seen through this fraud called Obamacare

Quote:PLUNGE: New poll shows Obamacare support at 26%

A new poll shows that just 26 percent of Americans support Obamacare, but at the same time only 13 percent think the law will be completely repealed.

obama-health-law-fails-gain-support” target=”_blank”>The Associated Press-Gfk survey was completed before the White House announced this week that it had signed up 6 million people for private health plans through the state and federal exchanges under the Affordable Care Act.

The poll showed that 7 in 10 American believe the law will stay on the books with some changes.

The AP noted that support for the law has dropped 13 points since 2010, when 39 percent favored the law. Opposition also has dipped 7 percentage points from 2010, when it stood at 43 percent. The number of people on the fence, the AP reported, has tripled from 10 percent to 30 percent.

The limited support for the law is similar to what the poll found in January and December when it stood at 27 percent.

Republicans hope that the public opposition to the law will help them defend their House majority and pick up the six net seats they need to flip control of the Senate in the November midterm elections.

The poll was conducted between March 20-24, and it involved online interviews with 1,012 adults. The margin of error is plus or minus 3.4 percentage points.

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014...z2xHYVLrJs

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