Have you watered your Milkweed?
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/14/world/...ef=science

Seems Monarch Butterfly's need to munch on Milkweed as they do the North/South trip.
At least some science types think the butterfly is important in the whole scheme of things.
I don't hunt, and wouldn't have the patience to kill enough for supper anyway so have no strong feelings one way or the other.

But, for the sake of science I'll try to not stomp on the milkweed in my yard, and may even aim the hose at it once in a while.
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(02-16-2014, 08:10 AM)Wonky Wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/14/world/...ef=science

Seems Monarch Butterfly's need to munch on Milkweed as they do the North/South trip.
At least some science types think the butterfly is important in the whole scheme of things.
I don't hunt, and wouldn't have the patience to kill enough for supper anyway so have no strong feelings one way or the other.

But, for the sake of science I'll try to not stomp on the milkweed in my yard, and may even aim the hose at it once in a while.

You posted a link to the New York times that apparently you pay for and I can't access? But I think this is the same story.Smiling Maybe, I don't know what "hunting" has to do with anything so maybe not?

I always try and leave what I think of are islands of life on my property. As opposed to weed whacking and obsessively mowing down every square feet of weeds.

It's only common sense that weeds and insects are part of the whole ecosystem and removing them will affect other higher life forms.
Anyway I saw this article a while back and It made me think that I'm not as crazy some might thinkRazz






North American Leaders Urged to Restore Monarch Butterfly’s Habitat

By ELISABETH MALKINFEB. 14, 2014


MEXICO CITY — Hoping to focus attention on the plight of the monarch butterfly at a North American summit meeting next week, a group of prominent scientists and writers urged the leaders of Mexico, the United States and Canada to commit to restoring the habitat that supports the insect’s extraordinary migration across the continent.

Calling the situation facing the butterfly “grim,” the group issued a letter that outlined a proposal to plant milkweed, the monarch caterpillar’s only food source, along its migratory route in Canada and the United States.

Milkweed has been disappearing from American fields over the past decade as farmers have switched to genetically modified corn and soybeans that are resistant to the herbicide glyphosate that kills other plants. At the same time, subsidies to produce corn for ethanol have increased, expanding the amount of land planted with corn by an estimated 25 percent since 2007.

“We can’t ask farmers to change their habits,” said Homero Aridjis, the Mexican poet who wrote the letter, which was to be released on Friday.

Instead, the proposal encouraged planting milkweed on roadsides and between fields, and suggested subsidies for farmers to set aside land that is free of herbicides.

“This is a viable proposal. It is not impossible,” said Mr. Aridjis, who signed the letter with Gary Paul Nabhan, a conservationist and writer at the University of Arizona. “Otherwise, we face an ecological genocide, because if we take away the monarch’s plants we kill the monarchs.”

On Wednesday, President Obama is scheduled to meet President Enrique Peña Nieto of Mexico and Prime Minister Stephen Harper of Canada in the Mexican city of Toluca, about an hour’s drive from the volcanic mountains where the butterflies winter after flying thousands of miles.

This winter, the area that the butterflies cover dropped sharply, to 1.65 acres, the smallest ever. In 1996, the butterflies covered 45 acres across the oyamel fir forests, where they form giant fluttering colonies.

The Mexican government has proved successful over the past five years at halting most of the large-scale illegal logging that was long seen as the biggest threat to the monarch. But smaller logging continues.

“As Mexico is addressing the logging issues, so now must the United States and Canada address the effects of our current agricultural policies,” the letter said.

About 20 leading butterfly specialists signed the letter, along with conservationists, writers, artists and filmmakers from Mexico, the United States and Canada.
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#3
You can get FREE milkweed seeds

https://www.livemonarch.com/free-milkweed-seeds.htm




(I couldn't find anything that said they were GMO free)
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(02-16-2014, 10:31 AM)tvguy Wrote:
(02-16-2014, 08:10 AM)Wonky Wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/14/world/...ef=science

Seems Monarch Butterfly's need to munch on Milkweed as they do the North/South trip.
At least some science types think the butterfly is important in the whole scheme of things.
I don't hunt, and wouldn't have the patience to kill enough for supper anyway so have no strong feelings one way or the other.

But, for the sake of science I'll try to not stomp on the milkweed in my yard, and may even aim the hose at it once in a while.

You posted a link to the New York times that apparently you pay for and I can't access? But I think this is the same story.Smiling Maybe, I don't know what "hunting" has to do with anything so maybe not?

I always try and leave what I think of are islands of life on my property. As opposed to weed whacking and obsessively mowing down every square feet of weeds.

It's only common sense that weeds and insects are part of the whole ecosystem and removing them will affect other higher life forms.
Anyway I saw this article a while back and It made me think that I'm not as crazy some might thinkRazz






North American Leaders Urged to Restore Monarch Butterfly’s Habitat

By ELISABETH MALKINFEB. 14, 2014


MEXICO CITY — Hoping to focus attention on the plight of the monarch butterfly at a North American summit meeting next week, a group of prominent scientists and writers urged the leaders of Mexico, the United States and Canada to commit to restoring the habitat that supports the insect’s extraordinary migration across the continent.

Calling the situation facing the butterfly “grim,” the group issued a letter that outlined a proposal to plant milkweed, the monarch caterpillar’s only food source, along its migratory route in Canada and the United States.

Milkweed has been disappearing from American fields over the past decade as farmers have switched to genetically modified corn and soybeans that are resistant to the herbicide glyphosate that kills other plants. At the same time, subsidies to produce corn for ethanol have increased, expanding the amount of land planted with corn by an estimated 25 percent since 2007.

“We can’t ask farmers to change their habits,” said Homero Aridjis, the Mexican poet who wrote the letter, which was to be released on Friday.

Instead, the proposal encouraged planting milkweed on roadsides and between fields, and suggested subsidies for farmers to set aside land that is free of herbicides.

“This is a viable proposal. It is not impossible,” said Mr. Aridjis, who signed the letter with Gary Paul Nabhan, a conservationist and writer at the University of Arizona. “Otherwise, we face an ecological genocide, because if we take away the monarch’s plants we kill the monarchs.”

On Wednesday, President Obama is scheduled to meet President Enrique Peña Nieto of Mexico and Prime Minister Stephen Harper of Canada in the Mexican city of Toluca, about an hour’s drive from the volcanic mountains where the butterflies winter after flying thousands of miles.

This winter, the area that the butterflies cover dropped sharply, to 1.65 acres, the smallest ever. In 1996, the butterflies covered 45 acres across the oyamel fir forests, where they form giant fluttering colonies.

The Mexican government has proved successful over the past five years at halting most of the large-scale illegal logging that was long seen as the biggest threat to the monarch. But smaller logging continues.

“As Mexico is addressing the logging issues, so now must the United States and Canada address the effects of our current agricultural policies,” the letter said.

About 20 leading butterfly specialists signed the letter, along with conservationists, writers, artists and filmmakers from Mexico, the United States and Canada.

Hunting: Eating. Hey if some guys will hunt doves hoping to provide dinner, why not them big hunking butterfly's?

Whatever: I don't know squat about "saving the species" thing, but couldn't hurt I reckon.

The thing that caught my eye was the Milkweed thing. Didn't know it was good for anything.

So, I'm going to attempt to save a Monarch Butterfly and apply to for a federal grant to continue my studies. I't's the American way. Big Grin

("I'm on my way to The Grange today to buy Milkweed)
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#5
Quote:The sap from a plant known as petty spurge or milkweed - found by roadsides and in woodland - can 'kill' certain types of cancer cells when applied to the skin.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/articl...ancer.html
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Quote: Wonky...The thing that caught my eye was the Milkweed thing. Didn't know it was good for anything.

I thought it was odd the first time I heard it too but isn't everything good for something? I always let radishes grow, go to seed and then they will grow again the next spring. Hell i don't even care to eat them. I planted them last year and never ate a single oneRazz
I do this because the plants are very pretty and attract LOTS of different kinds of bees and insects.

Quote: Wonky ("I'm on my way to The Grange today to buy Milkweed)

You may be kidding but I really am going to see if they have milkweed or the seeds. I already looked on line and they are cheap so you betcha , one way or another I'm going to grow them.
I get Monarchs here every year and also yellow swallowtails. I don't know why they come here.
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I have a friend that sells Milkweed starts very reasonably.
She and the kids at a local elementary school start them.
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#8
You do know that if the Monarch butterfly dies off, we'll be overrun in Milkweed.
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(02-16-2014, 12:15 PM)gapper Wrote: I have a friend that sells Milkweed starts very reasonably.
She and the kids at a local elementary school start them.

Does the labor board and school district know about this?
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#10
What's weird is that I stalk milkweed looking for monarchs. And I NEVER see them anywhere near them. I've never found a cocoon, or a monarch feeding on them. It's weird, because I'm paying attention to it, you'd think I'd see something. Maybe our milkweed isn't good enough.
Anyway.....
guide to Oregon milkweed and identification.
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#11
I have only seen caterpillars on the milkweed plant.
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(02-16-2014, 03:28 PM)Jeep Wrote: I have only seen caterpillars on the milkweed plant.

Monarch caterpillars? Because I've never seen them either.
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#13
I'm pretty sure they are Monarch caterpillars. My neighbor's land is over grazed and the only thing that grows is milkweed and star thistle. Very drought tolerant.
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(02-16-2014, 12:15 PM)gapper Wrote: I have a friend that sells Milkweed starts very reasonably.
She and the kids at a local elementary school start them.

At The back of my property there is a 200 ft. fence line where I planted poplar trees so it's drip line irrigated. I would like to just scatter seeds over the whole area to have a whole lot of milk weed.

But maybe if I had a few starts their seeds would do the same. How much are they?
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(02-16-2014, 03:56 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(02-16-2014, 12:15 PM)gapper Wrote: I have a friend that sells Milkweed starts very reasonably.
She and the kids at a local elementary school start them.

At The back of my property there is a 200 ft. fence line where I planted poplar trees so it's drip line irrigated. I would like to just scatter seeds over the whole area to have a whole lot of milk weed.

But maybe if I had a few starts their seeds would do the same. How much are they?

I was thinking that I might plant the seeds between the rows in my garden, but if they are drought tolerant they probably would not do well in my well irrigated garden. I will research in more later, but I am definitely planting some. Smiling
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(02-16-2014, 04:29 PM)cletus1 Wrote:
(02-16-2014, 03:56 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(02-16-2014, 12:15 PM)gapper Wrote: I have a friend that sells Milkweed starts very reasonably.
She and the kids at a local elementary school start them.

At The back of my property there is a 200 ft. fence line where I planted poplar trees so it's drip line irrigated. I would like to just scatter seeds over the whole area to have a whole lot of milk weed.

But maybe if I had a few starts their seeds would do the same. How much are they?

I was thinking that I might plant the seeds between the rows in my garden, but if they are drought tolerant they probably would not do well in my well irrigated garden. I will research in more later, but I am definitely planting some. Smiling

Good for youBig Grin I think they will do OK in your garden, just because they are drought tolerant doesn't mean your water will kill them.
But don't you have anywhere to plant them that you don't rototill or mow?

Reading below it looks like you and I should start the seeds in our green houses.








GROWING MILKWEEDS

Introduction
Milkweeds can be propagated from seeds, cuttings, and, in some cases, from root divisions. This account will deal with storage, treatment and planting of milkweeds seeds and will briefly touch on propagation from cuttings.

Milkweed seeds can be planted in prepared beds outdoors or started indoors in flats. We recommend the latter approach since germination rates are generally higher indoors and it is easier to establish your milkweeds with transplanted seedlings that are well-rooted and therefore more resistant to weather extremes and pests.

Germinating, Growing and Transplanting
Milkweed seedlings can be started indoors in a greenhouse or under artificial lighting and then transplanted outdoors after the average date of last frost. If seeds are started indoors, allow 4-8 weeks growing time before transplanting. Plastic flats can be used to start the seeds. Fill the flats with a soil mix suitable for seedlings (most potting mixes are), thoroughly soak the soil, and let the excess water drain. Sow the seeds by scattering them on the soil surface 1/4-1/2 inch apart, and then cover with about 1/4 inch of additional soil mix. Gently mist the soil surface with water to dampen the additional soil mix that has been added. In an effort to improve germination rates, many gardeners place the seeds in packets made from paper towels and soak them in warm water for 24 hours prior to planting. This method seems to work especially well for seeds of species that require vernalization (see below).

After the seeds are sown in the flats, cover each flat with a clear plastic cover or a plastic bag to keep the seeds from drying out while germinating. Then, place the flat under grow lights, in a warm sunny window, or in a greenhouse. Most seeds will germinate in 7-10 days if the flats are maintained at 75?F. After the seeds have germinated, remove the plastic covering from the flats. Once the seedlings have emerged, the soil should be kept moist by watering the flat from the bottom. You can water from the bottom by placing the flat in a sink or a larger flat filled with 2 inches of water until moisture appears on the soil surface. The soil should be kept moist but some care is needed to keep the seedlings from getting too wet - such conditions contribute to fungal growth that can kill the young seedlings (“damping off”). Thinning (see below) can reduce damping off.

The plants are ready to be transplanted when they are about 3-6 inches in height. Before transplanting, acclimate the plants to outdoor conditions for a few days by placing them in a sheltered location during the day and then bringing them indoors at night. The seedlings should be planted 6-24 inches apart depending on the species (check the back of your seed packets for information). Newly transplanted plants should be watered frequently. Add mulch around the seedlings soon after planting. The mulch holds in the moisture and minimizes the growth of competing weeds. The seedlings should be fertilized 2-3 times during the growing season if using water-soluble fertilizer or once a season if you utilize a granulated time-release formulation.

Thinning
When small seeds are sown, they are often mixed with sand or fine soil to have better seed distribution. However, this method does not completely prevent crowding of seedlings and thinning will be necessary. Thinning provides more space between plants, increasing the amount of light reaching the plants and the air circulation around them. Seedlings may need to be thinned several times beginning 1-2 weeks after germination. Without proper thinning, you will end up with weaker plants.

When to Plant
Milkweed seeds can be sown outdoors after the danger of frost has passed. Refer to the seed packets for special instructions on sowing the seeds. Keep in mind that seeds have a range of soil temperatures at which they will germinate. Also, remember that under sunny conditions the soil temperatures can be much higher in the daytime than the ambient air temperatures you experience. Plant the seeds early since those planted late in the season may not germinate because of high temperatures. In addition, new seedlings from late plantings can "dry off" before they are even noticed. Asclepias incarnata (swamp milkweed) and A. syriaca (common milkweed) germinate poorly at high temperatures (>85?F). However, other species such as A. curassavica (tropical milkweed) and Cynanchum laeve (blue vine) germinate well at these temperatures. Germination outdoors depends on soil moisture and temperature and could take several weeks if conditions are not ideal.

Preparation of the Seedbed
If you are gardening for the first time, it is wise to consult with your local county extension agent to see if your soil needs to be enhanced (amended) with soil additives before planting the seeds.

A smooth, clump-free, weeded soil bed will virtually guarantee a successful start for germination and seedling establishment. If vegetation exists in the future habitat location, it can be removed by using a tiller or by hoeing the area. To reduce clumping, do not work the soil when it is wet. The soil should be worked to a fine consistency to ensure good soil to seed contact.

The seedbed should be kept moist until germination. As the seedlings become established, it is important to avoid watering too much or too little. A light watering each day until roots are well established (7-10 days), preferably in the morning, should be sufficient.

Growing Milkweeds from Cuttings
All milkweeds are perennials and some can be grown from cuttings. Cuttings provide a way producing new plants in a relatively short time and it avoids some of the difficulties of starting plants from seeds. To start cuttings, cut the stems underwater, then coat the bottom of the stem with a strong rooting hormone. The stems should be placed in sand, vermiculite, or potting soil that is kept continuously moist. Cuttings can usually be transplanted in 6-10 weeks. Survival is best when cuttings are made from green stems (1/3 inch diameter) obtained from plants fertilized two weeks earlier.

Soil Types
If you have a choice, light soils are better than those with heavy clay. Well-drained soils are generally best but there are some species, e.g. A. incarnata (swamp milkweed) and A. sullivantii, which do well in saturated conditions.

Where to Plant
Most milkweed species evolved in open areas where they were exposed to full sunlight and they will do best if they are planted in the sunniest areas of your gardens. A few species, such as A. purpurascens, appear to require partial shade.

Harvest and Storage of Milkweed Seeds
The timing of the collection of milkweed pods or seeds is critical. Mature pods are those that are within a day or two of opening. If you squeeze the pods and they don’t open easily, they usually do not contain mature brown seeds. Seeds well into the process of browning and hardening will germinate when planted the next season. Pale or white seeds should be not collected. Freshly collected pods dry should be dried in an open area with good air circulation. Once the pods are thoroughly dry, the seeds can be separated from the coma, or silk-like ballooning material, by hand. Separation of seeds can also be accomplished by stripping the seeds and coma from the pods into a paper bag. Shake the contents of the bag vigorously to separate the seeds from the coma and then cut a small hole in a corner of the bottom of the bag and shake out the seeds. Store dried seeds in a cool, dry place protected from mice and insects - a plastic bag (reclosable) or other container in the refrigerator works well.

Vernalization
Seeds of most temperate plants need to be vernalized, which is a fancy way of saying that they need cold treatment. The best way to give the required vernalization is through stratification. To stratify seeds place them in cold, moist potting soil (sterilized soil is best but is not required) in a dark place for several weeks or months. Since most people prefer not to place potting soil in their refrigerators, an alternative is to place the seeds between moist paper towels in a plastic bag. This procedure works well, in part because there are fewer fungi and bacteria available to attack the seeds. After a vernalization period of 3-6 weeks, the seeds can be planted in warm (70?F), moist soil. Without vernalization / stratification, the percentage of seeds that germinate is usually low. Seeds from the tropical milkweed, Asclepias curassavica (and other tropical milkweed species) do not require this treatment. “Shocking” seeds that have been refrigerated by soaking them in warm water for 24 hours also seems to improve germination rates.

Scarification
Even after vernalization / stratification, seeds of many plant species will not germinate. In these cases, the seed coats appear to require action by physical or chemical agents to break down or abrade the seed coat. "Scarification" with some type of physical abrasion that breaks the seed coat usually works and can be accomplished by placing the seeds in a container with coarse sand and shaking the container for a 30 seconds or so. Scarification may be required for some milkweeds (e.g., A. viridiflora and A. latifolia) and might improve the germination rates of other species.

Asclepias curassavica: Tropical Milkweed, Mexican Milkweed, Bloodflower
To date, we have worked with 14 species of milkweeds and without a doubt the best of these for use in the garden or greenhouse and the best species for the maintenance of monarch butterfly cultures is Asclepias curassavica. This species is broadly distributed in the neotropics and has been introduced into many areas in the Old World tropics as well. Seeds are easy to germinate; seedlings transplant readily and mature plants will flower continuously. This species can also be grown from cuttings. When used to culture monarchs, defoliated plants can be cut back, leaving a 4-6 inch stem. These plants produce new shoots and can be repeatedly cut back and used for several years. This species is not freeze tolerant and in the north it must be replanted each year. Although tropical milkweed has become “naturalized” in some locations, it is not considered to be an invasive species. In some areas of Florida and the Gulf coast, plantings of tropical milkweed appear to support small year around populations of monarchs. Some monarch biologists are concerned about these populations since 1) they are not “natural” and 2) by continuously breeding using the same small plant population as a base, mortality due to the protozoan, Ophryocystis elektroscirrha (O.e.) increases in the monarch population. Since spores of O.e. may be able to survive on foliage for some time - and thus able to infect new larvae - some monarch enthusiasts in Florida and along the Gulf Coast have adopted the practice of cutting back all their tropical milkweeds from time to time. The idea is that the new growth will provide new, clean foliage for the next generation of monarch larvae. Whether this practice is effective in reducing the rate of O.e. infestation in these monarch populations needs to be determined.
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(02-16-2014, 04:42 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(02-16-2014, 04:29 PM)cletus1 Wrote:
(02-16-2014, 03:56 PM)tvguy Wrote: [quote='gapper' pid='332184' dateline='1392578154']
I have a friend that sells Milkweed starts very reasonably.
She and the kids at a local elementary school start them.

At The back of my property there is a 200 ft. fence line where I planted poplar trees so it's drip line irrigated. I would like to just scatter seeds over the whole area to have a whole lot of milk weed.

But maybe if I had a few starts their seeds would do the same. How much are they?

I was thinking that I might plant the seeds between the rows in my garden, but if they are drought tolerant they probably would not do well in my well irrigated garden. I will research in more later, but I am definitely planting some. Smiling

Good for youBig Grin I think they will do OK in your garden, just because they are drought tolerant doesn't mean your water will kill them.
But don't you have anywhere to plant them that you don't rototill or mow?

Reading below it looks like you and I should start the seeds in our green houses.

All milkweed are perennials and some can be grown from cuttings.
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Check out Dave's Garden by just searching Milkweed. He says that they should be treated as an annual. Sorry I can't link that site for some reason. He also suggests that Monarch butterfly caterpillars only eat one variety??
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#18
You horked that post up so bad I refuse to quote it under FUBAR regulations.


OK If Dave's right then you don't want to plant milkweed in your garden do you?

Quote:He also suggests that Monarch butterfly caterpillars only eat one variety??

Ok then F**K it , if Monarch Butterflies are that damn picky they can just go extinct like Buffalo's and horses.
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(02-16-2014, 05:45 PM)tvguy Wrote: You horked that post up so bad I refuse to quote it under FUBAR regulations.


OK If Dave's right then you don't want to plant milkweed in your garden do you?

Quote:He also suggests that Monarch butterfly caterpillars only eat one variety??

Ok then F**K it , if Monarch Butterflies are that damn picky they can just go extinct like Buffalo's and horses.

Or Dave might be full of crap. I mean is he a biologist or something?

I know I dissected your post and left blood and guts on the table. I blame it on Modelo Especial. I just did not feel like starting over.
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(02-16-2014, 05:45 PM)tvguy Wrote: You horked that post up so bad I refuse to quote it under FUBAR regulations.


OK If Dave's right then you don't want to plant milkweed in your garden do you?

Quote:He also suggests that Monarch butterfly caterpillars only eat one variety??

Ok then F**K it , if Monarch Butterflies are that damn picky they can just go extinct like Buffalo's and horses.

I agree!
Fug 'em. Too damn pretty anyhow. No reasons we can't get along with flies, June Bugs, and buzzards. People been telling me for years I'm "buzzard like", so feel a kind of kinship there.
Point is, the damn world should not be so friggin' complicated. Let Tia take care of the the milkweed/butterfly thing; she got hardly nothing to do anyhow.

See how easy this stuff is?
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