Marijuana Decriminalization and Mexican Drug Farmers
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Here is a story of how decriminalization of weed in the US is changing what Mexican drug farmers plant.

Tracing the U.S. heroin surge back south of the border as Mexican cannabis output falls

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Reuters - A soldier holds poppy plants used to make heroin during an operation in Sierra de Culiacan in the state of Sinaloa December 8, 2011.

By Nick Miroff, Published: April 6
TEPACA DE BADIRAGUATO, MEXICO — The surge of cheap heroin spreading in $4 hits across rural America can be traced back to the remote valleys of the northern Sierra Madre.

With the wholesale price of marijuana falling — driven in part by decriminalization in sections of the United States — Mexican drug farmers are turning away from cannabis and filling their fields with opium poppies.



Mexican heroin is flooding north as U.S. authorities trying to contain an epidemic of prescription painkiller abuse have tightened controls on synthetic opiates such as hydrocodone and OxyContin. As the pills become more costly and difficult to obtain, Mexican trafficking organizations have found new markets for heroin in places such as Winchester, Va., and Brattleboro, Vt., where, until recently, needle use for narcotics was rare or unknown.

Farmers in the storied “Golden Triangle” region of Mexico’s Sinaloa state, which has produced the country’s most notorious gangsters and biggest marijuana harvests, say they are no longer planting the crop. Its wholesale price has collapsed in the past five years, from $100 per kilogram to less than $25.

“It’s not worth it anymore,” said Rodrigo Silla, 50, a lifelong cannabis farmer who said he couldn’t remember the last time his family and others in their tiny hamlet gave up growing mota. “I wish the Americans would stop with this legalization.”

Growers from this area and as far afield as Central America are sowing their plots with opium poppies, and large-scale operations are turning up in places where authorities have never seen them.

In late January, police in Honduras made their first discovery of a poppy farm in the country, raiding a sophisticated mountain greenhouse as big as a soccer field. That same week, soldiers and police in western Guatemala came under attack by farmers armed with clubs and gas bombs when the security personnel moved in to destroy 160 acres of poppy.

Along the border with Mexico, U.S. authorities seized 2,162 kilos of heroin last year, a record amount, up from 367 kilos in 2007.

The needle habit in the United States has made a strong comeback as heroin rushes into the country. Use of the drug in the United States increased 79 percent between 2007 and 2012, according to federal data, triggering a wave of overdose deaths and an “urgent and growing public health crisis,” Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. warned last month.

Although prescription painkillers remain more widely abused and account for far more fatal overdoses, heroin has been “moving all over the country and popping up in areas you didn’t see before,” said Carl Pike, a senior official in the Special Operations Division of the Drug Enforcement Administration.

With its low price and easy portability, heroin has reached beyond New York, Chicago and other places where it has long been available. Rural areas of New England, Appalachia and the Midwest are being hit especially hard, with cities such as Portland, Maine; St. Louis; and Oklahoma City struggling to cope with a new generation of addicts.

Pike and other DEA officials say the spread is the result of a shrewd marketing strategy developed by Mexican traffickers. They have targeted areas with the worst prescription pill abuse, sending heroin pushers to “set up right outside the methadone clinics,” one DEA agent said.

Some new heroin users begin by snorting the drug. But like addicts of synthetic painkillers who go from swallowing the pills to crushing and snorting them, they eventually turn to intravenous injection of heroin for a more powerful high. By then, experts say, they have crossed a psychological threshold — overcoming the stigma of needle use. At the same time, they face diminishing satisfaction from prescription pills that can cost $80 each on the street and whose effects wear off after four to six hours.

Those addicts are especially susceptible to high-grade heroin offered for as little as $4 a dose but with a narcotic payload that can top anything from a pharmacy.

A region’s way of life

While Colombia has historically been the biggest source of heroin sold in the United States, Mexican output has since surpassed it, DEA officials say. Together, the two countries account for more than 90 percent of the U.S. heroin supply, and nearly all of it is smuggled into this country by Mexican traffickers.

As seizures of cocaine and marijuana along the border have fallen over the past several years, flows of methamphetamine and heroin have soared, federal statistics show.

Mexico’s Sinaloa drug cartel continues to be the biggest provider of heroin to the United States, controlling as much as half of the North American market. Sinaloa boss Joaquín “El Chapo” (Shorty) Guzmán grew up here in the mountains outside the municipal seat of Badiraguato, and his organization remains the dominant criminal power along the western border and west coast of Mexico.

Guzmán was captured by Mexican authorities in February, but the drug trade in the western Sierra Madre carries on without a hitch. Young men with AK-47s, 9mm pistols and hand-held radios patrol the dirt roads on four-wheelers, crisscrossing the mountains among dusty little villages and ridgeline airstrips.

The entire region is a giant drug farm and has been for decades.

“There’s no other way to make a living here,” said Silla, who has brought up his sons in the business, as his father did before him.

Feeling confident after several years of good harvests, Silla and other families here planted more poppies than ever this year, but their radiant purple, red and white flowers were spotted by aerial surveillance last month. Mexican soldiers in pickups came roaring up the creek bed soon after and tore out the crop, chopping up irrigation hoses and searching homes for guns and cash.

The Mexican military says that it destroyed 36,000 acres of opium poppies last year, down from more than 40,000 in 2011. Mexican officials have not explained the decline, but analysts say soldiers are too busy battling cartels and patrolling cities, with less money and manpower available for crop eradication.

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Solution: decriminalize heroin.

In fact, decriminalize everything, so the farmers can go back to growing veggies.
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We could make tomatoes and zucinni illegal. They're easy to grow too. Razz
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Monsanto will come out with GMO heroin
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(04-08-2014, 02:02 PM)Prospero Wrote: Solution: decriminalize heroin.

In fact, decriminalize everything, so the farmers can go back to growing veggies.

I can't tell if your comment is tongue in cheek or literal.

I suspect it's a fact. Simply decriminalize it and allow society to adjust to the realities of necessary responsible behavior. There will be abuses: We abuse sugar. But it will take the power of social "pressure" to keep order in this, and other things regarding personal behavior.

Laws addressing personal conduct that don''t endanger others are simply unnecessary.
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(04-08-2014, 02:02 PM)Prospero Wrote: Solution: decriminalize heroin.

In fact, decriminalize everything, so the farmers can go back to growing veggies.

Maybe Seligman will propose that Josephine county lease land out, to grow poppies
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(04-08-2014, 11:15 PM)Wonky Wrote:
(04-08-2014, 02:02 PM)Prospero Wrote: Solution: decriminalize heroin.

In fact, decriminalize everything, so the farmers can go back to growing veggies.

I can't tell if your comment is tongue in cheek or literal.

I suspect it's a fact. Simply decriminalize it and allow society to adjust to the realities of necessary responsible behavior. There will be abuses: We abuse sugar. But it will take the power of social "pressure" to keep order in this, and other things regarding personal behavior.

Laws addressing personal conduct that don''t endanger others are simply unnecessary.

Legalize a hunting season for Junkies, no limit.
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(04-08-2014, 02:02 PM)Prospero Wrote: Solution: decriminalize heroin.

In fact, decriminalize everything, so the farmers can go back to growing veggies.

I like it.
We have made heroin and morphine available as big pharma owns them.
Trouble with pot is it's a weed and easy to grow.
Think about how threatening pot, dispensaries and drug testing labs are to big pharma. Not just profits not realized but once accepted their high priced drugs with side effects will decline.
Full on propaganda and Oregon is leading the way.
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(04-10-2014, 08:36 AM)Willie Krash Wrote:
(04-08-2014, 02:02 PM)Prospero Wrote: Solution: decriminalize heroin.

In fact, decriminalize everything, so the farmers can go back to growing veggies.

I like it.
We have made heroin and morphine available as big pharma owns them.
Trouble with pot is it's a weed and easy to grow.
Think about how threatening pot, dispensaries and drug testing labs are to big pharma. Not just profits not realized but once accepted their high priced drugs with side effects will decline.
Full on propaganda and Oregon is leading the way.

Oh baloney Try giving a joint to some guy that just had his leg ripped off and then try morphine.
Try giving pot to a cancer victim without the Chemo drugs?
Try pot the next time you have an infected tooth instead of antibiotics.
Try pot to lower your blood pressure, get rid of a migraine.Try pot Instead of a flu shot.

But as far as legalizing everything? why not give it a try in one state? See what happens.Let the junkies go to a clinic and get whatever they want instead of all the crime they commit to get their fix.
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(04-10-2014, 08:54 AM)tvguy Wrote:
(04-10-2014, 08:36 AM)Willie Krash Wrote:
(04-08-2014, 02:02 PM)Prospero Wrote: Solution: decriminalize heroin.

In fact, decriminalize everything, so the farmers can go back to growing veggies.

I like it.
We have made heroin and morphine available as big pharma owns them.
Trouble with pot is it's a weed and easy to grow.
Think about how threatening pot, dispensaries and drug testing labs are to big pharma. Not just profits not realized but once accepted their high priced drugs with side effects will decline.
Full on propaganda and Oregon is leading the way.

Oh baloney Try giving a joint to some guy that just had his leg ripped off and then try morphine.
Try giving pot to a cancer victim without the Chemo drugs?
Try pot the next time you have an infected tooth instead of antibiotics.
Try pot to lower your blood pressure, get rid of a migraine.Try pot Instead of a flu shot.

But as far as legalizing everything? why not give it a try in one state? See what happens.Let the junkies go to a clinic and get whatever they want instead of all the crime they commit to get their fix.

???
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Hey TV,

I talked to a vet that was living on Vic*din. A broken back, service related. It was eating up his liver. The VA suggest Medical Marijuana. He has never looked back.

Cancer patients rely on it and wont give it up. Seizure patients have been able to live normal lives as long as they don't leave Colorado.
You are conflating pot as a cure all with respect to big pharma. No one thinks pot is effective for an infected tooth...Blood pressure. By that argument aspirin is comparable to being effective for severe constipation that puts pressure on the brain. I would suggest you drink a pint of carrot juice.*

However pot might help your blood pressure,


Would you like to see a video about a little girl having 400 seizures a week and was deemed terminal. Une seizure a week now, healthy. The family just can't leave Colorado. if caught they could be charged as drug traffickers.
*carrot juice does not work on acne.
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Quote: No drug has been found that can match the painkilling effect of opioids without also duplicating much of their addictive potential.
(wiki, "Opium")[quote]

There you are: nothing without its risks. In capacity for physical damage, opium is probably way behind tobacco, fat, sugar, and drunk driving. The risk factor for career is perhaps on a par with sex: think of Weiner, B. Clinton, Ted Kennedy, Gary Hart, etc. etc. But pain is the tricky thing: if life itself is regarded as unbearably painful, opium will heal you and kill you.
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(04-10-2014, 12:20 PM)Willie Krash Wrote: Hey TV,

I talked to a vet that was living on Vic*din. A broken back, service related. It was eating up his liver. The VA suggest Medical Marijuana. He has never looked back.

Cancer patients rely on it and wont give it up. Seizure patients have been able to live normal lives as long as they don't leave Colorado.
You are conflating pot as a cure all with respect to big pharma. No one thinks pot is effective for an infected tooth...Blood pressure. By that argument aspirin is comparable to being effective for severe constipation that puts pressure on the brain. I would suggest you drink a pint of carrot juice.*

However pot might help your blood pressure,


Would you like to see a video about a little girl having 400 seizures a week and was deemed terminal. Une seizure a week now, healthy. The family just can't leave Colorado. if caught they could be charged as drug traffickers.
*carrot juice does not work on acne.

I don't discount the positive aspect of using pot as a medicine at all. I have seen that video.

I just don't believe that big ph arma is really afraid of losing profit if more people turn to pot instead of whatever they were on.


I believe Your info about the broken back guy on V icodin switching to pot and that it worked for HIM.
I doubt that it's common at all to effectively substitute pot for such a great pain killer. I wish it was.
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you can't say V I C O D E N on hereRolling Eyes
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(04-14-2014, 12:33 PM)tvguy Wrote: you can't say V I C O D E N on hereRolling Eyes

But you can say heroin, cocaine, meth, and barbiturates.
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(04-14-2014, 12:46 PM)cletus1 Wrote:
(04-14-2014, 12:33 PM)tvguy Wrote: you can't say V I C O D E N on hereRolling Eyes

But you can say heroin, cocaine, meth, and barbiturates.

And Marijuana which is still classified by the jeenyusis in Washington as a controlled substance just the same as heroin, cocaine, meth, and barbituratesRolling Eyes
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[quote='Prospero' pid='337719' dateline='1397502381']
[quote] No drug has been found that can match the painkilling effect of opioids without also duplicating much of their addictive potential.[/quote] (wiki, "Opium")[quote]

There you are: nothing without its risks. In capacity for physical damage, opium is probably way behind tobacco, fat, sugar, and drunk driving. The risk factor for career is perhaps on a par with sex: think of Weiner, B. Clinton, Ted Kennedy, Gary Hart, etc. etc. But pain is the tricky thing: if life itself is regarded as unbearably painful, opium will heal you and kill you.
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Exactly. Even with pharmaceutical opiates that accurately measure dosage, there is risk of overdose and of course dependence.

The issue for Mexican drug farmers is simply money. They are not that different than the Afghani drug farmers. They plant what makes them money.

I think you would agree that drug war is a miserable failure. I seriously believe decriminalization is the answer. That does not mean that I think drugs should be available on the street corner. But it is past time to try something new in my opinion.
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(04-15-2014, 08:59 AM)cletus1 Wrote: Exactly. Even with pharmaceutical opiates that accurately measure dosage, there is risk of overdose and of course dependence.

The issue for Mexican drug farmers is simply money. They are not that different than the Afghani drug farmers. They plant what makes them money.

I think you would agree that drug war is a miserable failure. I seriously believe decriminalization is the answer. That does not mean that I think drugs should be available on the street corner. But it is past time to try something new in my opinion.

It's much easier to criminalize than to decriminalize. If bad = illegal, then legal must = good, so if we allow it, it follows that we must endorse it. (Someone defined totalitarianism as a system where everything is either forbidden or mandatory.) Our legal system, and hence our concept of morality as a guide for living, doesn't offer very many loopholes in theory, but in practice everyone over the age of five is continually reduced to plea bargaining, which is why most teenagers are cynical. It's no wonder so many people are opting for the black and white world of conservatism.
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They shouldn't grow drugs for the Americans, they should be growing drugs for the Chinese.
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