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(10-24-2017, 01:23 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(10-24-2017, 01:18 PM)Hugo Wrote:
(10-24-2017, 12:25 PM)Wonky3 Wrote:
(10-24-2017, 11:46 AM)Valuesize Wrote: For those banana screamers that don't watch CNN...  Laughing




Thanks you CNN for making simple what was already simplistic. 
Most of us don't have a problem with apples/bananas. 
Some of us have divergent opinions about climate change, it's causes and it's effects. 
Some of us feel all guns should be taken from private individuals and some feel all gun control is unnecessary. 
Some of us feel "that government which governs least governs best" and others want a strong federal government.
Some of us feel vaccinating our children is evil, others feel to not do so threatens the group.

Apples and bananas I don't have a problem with. 

In VS's post #634 written by Tom Steyer, we are not given the source: Letter to the editor or from a national publication we might all recognize as a legitimate source?  

And Hugo responds by calling it drivel, without offering his reasons for that judgement. 

This is not apples and bananas. This is a lack of a reasonable and intelligent exchange to engage in a discussion.

So, VS suggests Hugo wears an aluminum foil hat and talks to cats. This of course will promote the exchanges we hope for here, the sharing of opinions and feelings that might effect changes in how we understand the issues we present. 

Who the hell are we and what the hell are we doing? 

Same old crap.

If you don't fucking like it, why are you still here?

No shit. How many times Wonky, will you bitch about our conduct or how and what and when we post?

The definition of insanity ...... doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results

First of all, Skippy, we've had this discussion.
The "scientific method" suggests what you have again described. But, social issues, ethical problems, and human interaction is not subject to this strict discipline. "Spinoza's God" is a concept still debated but taken seriously by those who consider it. It's not subject to the scientific method. So, enough with things you don't understand.

VS posted a letter written by someone we don't know suggesting that president Trump be removed from office because of his conduct. 
Hugo responded that it was drivel...pure drivel, but didn't explain why he understood it to be true.
And the response was that we should be able to tell an apple from a banana. 

Thing is, Hugo has a valid point. The president can be removed from office for several reasons, but not for being a buffoon, stupid, using foul language, or insulting a war widow. Hugo might have taken time to explain what actions and circumstances are required to remove a sitting president from office. He didn't even make an effort. 

This is not apples vs. bananas. This is bullshit dialog, call and response that leads nowhere and contributes nothing to the efforts of a place where people can exchange and debate real issues. It's just baseless argument for the sake of argument. 

These are serious times and require serious people. This space is valuable and could be a positive influence in our valley.

So, I'll be here as long as as I please or until the administrator of the site removes me.

Deal with it. 




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(10-24-2017, 03:02 PM)Wonky3 Wrote:
(10-24-2017, 01:23 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(10-24-2017, 01:18 PM)Hugo Wrote:
(10-24-2017, 12:25 PM)Wonky3 Wrote:
(10-24-2017, 11:46 AM)Valuesize Wrote: For those banana screamers that don't watch CNN...  Laughing




Thanks you CNN for making simple what was already simplistic. 
Most of us don't have a problem with apples/bananas. 
Some of us have divergent opinions about climate change, it's causes and it's effects. 
Some of us feel all guns should be taken from private individuals and some feel all gun control is unnecessary. 
Some of us feel "that government which governs least governs best" and others want a strong federal government.
Some of us feel vaccinating our children is evil, others feel to not do so threatens the group.

Apples and bananas I don't have a problem with. 

In VS's post #634 written by Tom Steyer, we are not given the source: Letter to the editor or from a national publication we might all recognize as a legitimate source?  

And Hugo responds by calling it drivel, without offering his reasons for that judgement. 

This is not apples and bananas. This is a lack of a reasonable and intelligent exchange to engage in a discussion.

So, VS suggests Hugo wears an aluminum foil hat and talks to cats. This of course will promote the exchanges we hope for here, the sharing of opinions and feelings that might effect changes in how we understand the issues we present. 

Who the hell are we and what the hell are we doing? 

Same old crap.

If you don't fucking like it, why are you still here?

No shit. How many times Wonky, will you bitch about our conduct or how and what and when we post?

The definition of insanity ...... doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results

First of all, Skippy, we've had this discussion.
The "scientific method" suggests what you have again described. But, social issues, ethical problems, and human interaction is not subject to this strict discipline. "Spinoza's God" is a concept still debated but taken seriously by those who consider it. It's not subject to the scientific method. So, enough with things you don't understand.

VS posted a letter written by someone we don't know suggesting that president Trump be removed from office because of his conduct. 
Hugo responded that it was drivel...pure drivel, but didn't explain why he understood it to be true.
And the response was that we should be able to tell an apple from a banana. 

Thing is, Hugo has a valid point. The president can be removed from office for several reasons, but not for being a buffoon, stupid, using foul language, or insulting a war widow. Hugo might have taken time to explain what actions and circumstances are required to remove a sitting president from office. He didn't even make an effort. 

This is not apples vs. bananas. This is bullshit dialog, call and response that leads nowhere and contributes nothing to the efforts of a place where people can exchange and debate real issues. It's just baseless argument for the sake of argument. 

These are serious times and require serious people. This space is valuable and could be a positive influence in our valley.

So, I'll be here as long as as I please or until the administrator of the site removes me.

Deal with it. 

 

 
Deal with it? I am we all are. We deal with you being an arrogant asshole almost every day.
So you will be here? So what who asked you to leave?
I'm just sick of your sanctimonious arrogant posts. Like this.

It's not subject to the scientific method. So, enough with things you don't understand.

I understand that you are a total control freak and you can't stop with your never ending lecturing.
And why in the fuck are you even talking about the validity of what is posted?
I didn't call you out on that.
I called you out on THIS.....

"This of course will promote the exchanges we hope for here, the sharing of opinions and feelings that might effect changes in how we understand the issues we present. 


Who the hell are we and what the hell are we doing? 

Same old crap."

YES the same old and ENDLESS crap from YOU who sits on such a high horse you don't even know how or why so many here are sick and tired of your act.
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(10-24-2017, 04:07 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(10-24-2017, 03:02 PM)Wonky3 Wrote:
(10-24-2017, 01:23 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(10-24-2017, 01:18 PM)Hugo Wrote:
(10-24-2017, 12:25 PM)Wonky3 Wrote: Thanks you CNN for making simple what was already simplistic. 
Most of us don't have a problem with apples/bananas. 
Some of us have divergent opinions about climate change, it's causes and it's effects. 
Some of us feel all guns should be taken from private individuals and some feel all gun control is unnecessary. 
Some of us feel "that government which governs least governs best" and others want a strong federal government.
Some of us feel vaccinating our children is evil, others feel to not do so threatens the group.

Apples and bananas I don't have a problem with. 

In VS's post #634 written by Tom Steyer, we are not given the source: Letter to the editor or from a national publication we might all recognize as a legitimate source?  

And Hugo responds by calling it drivel, without offering his reasons for that judgement. 

This is not apples and bananas. This is a lack of a reasonable and intelligent exchange to engage in a discussion.

So, VS suggests Hugo wears an aluminum foil hat and talks to cats. This of course will promote the exchanges we hope for here, the sharing of opinions and feelings that might effect changes in how we understand the issues we present. 

Who the hell are we and what the hell are we doing? 

Same old crap.

If you don't fucking like it, why are you still here?

No shit. How many times Wonky, will you bitch about our conduct or how and what and when we post?

The definition of insanity ...... doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results

First of all, Skippy, we've had this discussion.
The "scientific method" suggests what you have again described. But, social issues, ethical problems, and human interaction is not subject to this strict discipline. "Spinoza's God" is a concept still debated but taken seriously by those who consider it. It's not subject to the scientific method. So, enough with things you don't understand.

VS posted a letter written by someone we don't know suggesting that president Trump be removed from office because of his conduct. 
Hugo responded that it was drivel...pure drivel, but didn't explain why he understood it to be true.
And the response was that we should be able to tell an apple from a banana. 

Thing is, Hugo has a valid point. The president can be removed from office for several reasons, but not for being a buffoon, stupid, using foul language, or insulting a war widow. Hugo might have taken time to explain what actions and circumstances are required to remove a sitting president from office. He didn't even make an effort. 

This is not apples vs. bananas. This is bullshit dialog, call and response that leads nowhere and contributes nothing to the efforts of a place where people can exchange and debate real issues. It's just baseless argument for the sake of argument. 

These are serious times and require serious people. This space is valuable and could be a positive influence in our valley.

So, I'll be here as long as as I please or until the administrator of the site removes me.

Deal with it. 

 

 
Deal with it? I am we all are. We deal with you being an arrogant asshole almost every day.
So you will be here? So what who asked you to leave?
I'm just sick of your sanctimonious arrogant posts. Like this.

It's not subject to the scientific method. So, enough with things you don't understand.

I understand that you are a total control freak and you can't stop with your never ending lecturing.
And why in the fuck are you even talking about the validity of what is posted?
I didn't call you out on that.
I called you out on THIS.....

"This of course will promote the exchanges we hope for here, the sharing of opinions and feelings that might effect changes in how we understand the issues we present. 


Who the hell are we and what the hell are we doing? 

Same old crap."

YES the same old and ENDLESS crap from YOU who sits on such a high horse you don't even know how or why so many here are sick and tired of your act.
Noted.
No response.
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(10-24-2017, 03:02 PM)Wonky3 Wrote: This is bullshit dialog, call and response that leads nowhere and contributes nothing to the efforts of a place where people can exchange and debate real issues. It's just baseless argument for the sake of argument. 

Laughing  And that is ALL this place is.  Don't you fucking KNOW that???  You must, because it's all YOU fucking do, as well.

Your incessant bulldozer tactics of trying to "make us all better people" is what everyone is getting tired of. Because eventually (if you haven't figured it out yet) you have managed to offend EVERYONE here.

The year is winding down....  and my New Years prediction is still looking to be on track.
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Russia, Russia, Russia.   

Hillary and the DNC.  Look like you got some splaining to do....







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Clinton campaign, DNC paid for research that led to Russia dossier



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Former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele compiled the dossier on President Trump’s alleged ties to Russia. (Victoria Jones/AP)
By Adam EntousDevlin Barrett and Rosalind S. HeldermanOctober 24 at 7:21 PM 
The Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee helped fund research that resulted in a now-famous dossier containing allegations about President Trump’s connections to Russia and possible coordination between his campaign and the Kremlin, people familiar with the matter said.
Marc E. Elias, a lawyer representing the Clinton campaign and the DNC, retained Fusion GPS, a Washington firm, to conduct the research.
After that, Fusion GPS hired dossier author Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence officer with ties to the FBI and the U.S. intelligence community, according to those people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.
Elias and his law firm, Perkins Coie, retained the company in April 2016 on behalf of the Clinton campaign and the DNC. Before that agreement, Fusion GPS’s research into Trump was funded by an unknown Republican client during the GOP primary.
The Clinton campaign and the DNC, through the law firm, continued to fund Fusion GPS’s research through the end of October 2016, days before Election Day.
[img=0x0]https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_480w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2017/10/24/National-Security/Images/Elias0011460408170.jpg?uuid=yaWcQrjsEee-lPq7Dx6f-w[/img]Marc E. Elias of Perkins Coie represented the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee. (Matt McClain/The Washington Post)
Fusion GPS gave Steele’s reports and other research documents to Elias, the people familiar with the matter said. It is unclear how or how much of that information was shared with the campaign and the DNC and who in those organizations was aware of the roles of Fusion GPS and Steele. One person close to the matter said the campaign and the DNC were not informed by the law firm of Fusion GPS’s role.

The dossier has become a lightning rod amid the intensifying investigations into the Trump campaign’s possible connections to Russia. Some congressional Republican leaders have spent months trying to discredit Fusion GPS and Steele and tried to determine the identity of the Democrat or organization that paid for the dossier.
Trump tweeted as recently as Saturday that the Justice Department and FBI should “immediately release who paid for it.”
Elias and Fusion GPS declined to comment on the arrangement. Spokesmen for the Clinton campaign and the DNC had no immediate comment.
Some of the details are included in a Tuesday letter sent by Perkins Coie to a lawyer representing Fusion GPS, telling the research firm that it was released from a ­client-confidentiality obligation. The letter was prompted by a legal fight over a subpoena for Fusion GPS’s bank records.
People involved in the matter said that they would not disclose the dollar amounts paid to Fusion GPS but that the campaign and the DNC shared the cost.

Steele previously worked in Russia for British intelligence. The dossier is a compilation of reports he prepared for Fusion GPS. The dossier alleged that the Russian government collected compromising information about Trump and that the Kremlin was engaged in an effort to assist his campaign for president.
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Washington Post reporters Tom Hamburger and Rosalind S. Helderman explain the story behind a controversial dossier on President Trump. (Video: Jason Aldag, Sarah Parnass/Photo: Matt McClain/The Washington Post)
U.S. intelligence agencies later released a public assessment asserting that Russia intervened in the 2016 election to aid Trump. The FBI has been investigating whether Trump associates helped the Russians in that effort.
[FBI once planned to pay former British spy who authored controversial Trump dossier]
Trump has adamantly denied the allegations in the dossier and has dismissed the FBI probe as a witch hunt.
Officials have said that the FBI has confirmed some of the information in the dossier. Other details, including the most sensational accusations, have not been verified and may never be.
Fusion GPS’s work researching Trump began during the Republican presidential primaries, when the GOP donor paid for the firm to investigate the real estate magnate’s background.

Fusion GPS did not start off looking at Trump’s Russia ties but quickly realized that those relationships were extensive, according to the people familiar with the matter.
When the Republican donor stopped paying for the research, Elias, acting on behalf of the Clinton campaign and the DNC, agreed to pay for the work to continue. The Democrats paid for research, including by Fusion GPS, because of concerns that little was known about Trump and his business interests, according to the people familiar with the matter.
Those people said that it is standard practice for political campaigns to use law firms to hire outside researchers to ensure their work is protected by attorney-client and work-product privileges.
The Clinton campaign paid Perkins Coie $5.6 million in legal fees from June 2015 to December 2016, according to campaign finance records, and the DNC paid the firm $3.6 million in “legal and compliance consulting’’ since November 2015 — though it’s impossible to tell from the filings how much of that work was for other legal matters and how much of it related to Fusion GPS.

At no point, the people said, did the Clinton campaign or the DNC direct Steele’s activities. They described him as a Fusion GPS subcontractor.
Some of Steele’s allegations began circulating in Washington in the summer of 2016 as the FBI launched its counterintelligence investigation into possible connections between Trump associates and the Kremlin. Around that time, Steele shared some of his findings with the FBI.
After the election, the FBI agreed to pay Steele to continue gathering intelligence about Trump and Russia, but the bureau pulled out of the arrangement after Steele was publicly identified in news reports.
The dossier was published by BuzzFeed News in January. Fusion GPS has said in court filings that it did not give BuzzFeed the documents.
Current and former U.S. intelligence officials said that Steele was respected by the FBI and the State Department for earlier work he performed on a global corruption probe.
In early January, then-FBI Director James B. Comey presented a two-page summary of Steele’s dossier to President Barack Obama and President-elect Trump. In May, Trump fired Comey, which led to the appointment of Robert S. Mueller III as special counsel investigating the Trump-Russia matter.
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Congressional Republicans have tried to force Fusion GPS to identify the Democrat or group behind Steele’s work, but the firm has said that it will not do so, citing confidentiality agreements with its clients.
Last week, Fusion GPS executives invoked their constitutional right not to answer questions from the House Intelligence Committee. The firm’s founder, Glenn Simpson, had previously given a 10-hour interview to the Senate Judiciary Committee.
Over objections from Democrats, the Republican leader of the House Intelligence Committee, Rep. Devin Nunes (Calif.), subpoenaed Fusion GPS’s bank records to try to identify the mystery client.
Fusion GPS has been fighting the release of its bank records. A judge on Tuesday extended a deadline for Fusion GPS’s bank to respond to the subpoena until Friday while the company attempts to negotiate a resolution with Nunes.

Julie Tate contributed to this report.

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Adam Entous writes about national security, foreign policy and intelligence for The Post. He joined the newspaper in 2016 after more than 20 years with The Wall Street Journal and Reuters, where he covered the Pentagon, the CIA, the White House and Congress. He covered President George W. Bush for five years after the September 11, 2001, attacks.
Devlin Barrett writes about national security, homeland security and counterterrorism for The Post. He joined the newspaper in 2017 after 15 years with The Wall Street Journal and the AP. His first newspaper job was as a copy boy at the New York Post, and has covered law enforcement – from local cops to global manhunts - for more than 20 years.
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Far Left of Right
5:56 PM PDT


This is wonderful news. Thanks Hillary! 
 
I'm sure Trump's going to return the favor very soon. 
 
I hope gives you a birthday bars.  
 
Lock her up! 
Lock them up!





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Middway
5:56 PM PDT


Yikes! The tweetstorm is coming, very soon. I'd say before 4:30 am. 




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LaughingOutLoudd
5:56 PM PDT


Interesting how the dems in here just ignore the fact that FusionGPS has stonewalled, obstructed, pleaded the fifth, ignored subpoenas and just generally refused to cooperate in every way imaginable with every attempt to look into any of it. 




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John Carlucci
5:56 PM PDT


Long story short  
 
Everything democrats accused Trump of they actually did themselves 





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Harriet W
5:56 PM PDT


This article is click-bait for Trump trolls. No new information, nothing illegal, no scandal - but Clinton's name is in the title.




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f1macc
5:56 PM PDT


So Hillary, the FBI and the Russians all paid the same company. So what? That doesn't mean that the Russians cooperated directly with Hillary, or that Hillary and the FBI were colluding on the "dossier." Hillary and Podesta camouflaged these relations because of appearances, not because they are guilty!  
 
Old news, maybe even fake news! Move along, move along! Nothing to see here! Just cooperation among friends, nothing more!





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Spectrum Holobyte
5:56 PM PDT


This is not news, much less exclusive news. When the dossier first came out I recall distinctly talking heads saying that Fusion GPS started as oppo research by another GOP primary candidate and the Clinton campaign picked up where they left off.




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NWcitizen1
5:56 PM PDT


And exactly why is this newsworthy? The more important element of this story seems to me to be that the GPS Fusion research into Trump's background was begun at the direction of a big Republican donor!




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American Carnage
5:56 PM PDT


Republicans paid for the first part....and the Democrats paid for the second part. 
 
Goes to show you nobody trusted Fatty Racist.





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Arcticninja
5:56 PM PDT


Trump wasn't wanted by the GOP and DNC. Trump now might end up being the end of both. The GOP and DNC decided to screw morals when trying to stop Trump.




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Mending Wall
5:55 PM PDT


when the truth is finally out in the open it is like shooting fish in a barrel (whatever that means) 




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richard7777
5:56 PM PDT


What is new "truth" in the article Pepe? 
 
List it.





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Meaty Ochre
5:55 PM PDT


The software can’t keep up! Brigaded by Breitbartians and Putin trolls!




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MARVINHENRY
5:55 PM PDT


An American political party funds opposition research on an opponent. Not at all in the same league as getting material aid from an unfriendly foreign power, the same one that Trump refuses to implement Congressional sanctions on.




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JohnInVienna
5:56 PM PDT


You didnt read the entire story.




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Wonderful_World
5:55 PM PDT


Meanwhile... 
 
Concerted attempts were made to dismiss Mr Steele’s report as fantasy when news of its existence broke at the beginning of the year by Mr Trump, his supporters and right wing media outlets in the US and UK. 
 
Since then, however, many of his claims have proved to be true. There is now rivalry between three ongoing inquiries into Mr Trump – by former FBI director Mr Mueller, the Senate Intelligence Committee, the House Intelligence Committee and the Senate Intelligence Committee – to get M
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(10-24-2017, 06:04 PM)SFLiberal Wrote: Russia, Russia, Russia.   

Hillary and the DNC.  Look like you got some splaining to do....

[snip... snip... snip]

I curious, do you read stuff before you copy and post? Do you comprehend what you read?
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(10-24-2017, 06:25 PM)Cuzz Wrote:
(10-24-2017, 06:04 PM)SFLiberal Wrote: Russia, Russia, Russia.   

Hillary and the DNC.  Look like you got some splaining to do....

[snip... snip... snip]

I curious, do you read stuff before you copy and post? Do you comprehend what you read?
And does he think anyone will read that entire post?
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(10-24-2017, 06:58 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(10-24-2017, 06:25 PM)Cuzz Wrote:
(10-24-2017, 06:04 PM)SFLiberal Wrote: Russia, Russia, Russia.   

Hillary and the DNC.  Look like you got some splaining to do....

[snip... snip... snip]

I curious, do you read stuff before you copy and post? Do you comprehend what you read?
And does he think anyone will read that entire post?

And what part of Russia does he live?  Laughing
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도널드 트럼프는 바보입니다.
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(11-17-2017, 10:07 AM)Valuesize Wrote: [Image: DO2_Rj_Xr_Ws_AAVs_Aa.jpg]
Opposing Donald Trump is a bit like "supporting the troops".

To truly support our troops we should do something active. For instance: Many enlisted people in our military service are eligible for food stamps suggesting they struggle with other financial commitments. If we know a service family in our community we might offer to assist in supplementing the basic needs a family depends on. (Just one example).

If we feel Mr. Trump is incompetent and effecting leadership that is damaging the basic structure of our political and social climate we should do something more than "resist" in name only. What? We each can make choices about what action we want to take. Some may want to be active in the local Democratic party and elect people to our congress who could make Mr. Trump's actions impotent. Some may want to organize neighborhood groups of like minded people who would think of ways to be active in resistance. Others may want to write frequent well written and expressed letters to the editors or the local paper. To OPPOSE Donald Trump requires action, not simply the feeling that we oppose him. 

And some simply can't. Life can be harsh and unfair, draining the energy we might want to give to any resistance. Then, simply voicing that opposition might be all we can do, and that too is adding to the effort. 

We have had a year to take the measure of Mr. Trump. Many of us feel he must be made ineffective if not replaced. For those of us who feel this, let's agree to do what we can.
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(11-17-2017, 10:45 AM)Wonky3 Wrote: Opposing Donald Trump is a bit like "supporting the troops".

To truly support our troops we should do something active. For instance: Many enlisted people in our military service are eligible for food stamps suggesting they struggle with other financial commitments. If we know a service family in our community we might offer to assist in supplementing the basic needs a family depends on. (Just one example).

If we feel Mr. Trump is incompetent and effecting leadership that is damaging the basic structure of our political and social climate we should do something more than "resist" in name only. What? We each can make choices about what action we want to take. Some may want to be active in the local Democratic party and elect people to our congress who could make Mr. Trump's actions impotent. Some may want to organize neighborhood groups of like minded people who would think of ways to be active in resistance. Others may want to write frequent well written and expressed letters to the editors or the local paper. To OPPOSE Donald Trump requires action, not simply the feeling that we oppose him. 

And some simply can't. Life can be harsh and unfair, draining the energy we might want to give to any resistance. Then, simply voicing that opposition might be all we can do, and that too is adding to the effort. 

We have had a year to take the measure of Mr. Trump. Many of us feel he must be made ineffective if not replaced. For those of us who feel this, let's agree to do what we can.

Big Grin  Welcome back Wonky. I cannot disagree with anything you posted. I don't feel I can make any BIG changes to the situation we find ourselves in, but I CAN make a whole lot of little changes. Now that I live in a more pro Trump town I have many more opportunities.  Big Grin
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You moved from Portland?
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(11-17-2017, 11:40 AM)bbqboy Wrote: You moved from Portland?

Still in the general vicinity, just further out where I could get more bang for my home buying buck. Where we rented we almost never saw Trump signs or bumper stickers. Here they are all over. Not in my area on the outskirts of town, my neighbors are professors, LE and more white collar workers. We are not that, but we have one of the smaller houses on the block and were gifted about $20,000 in immediate equity from an Angel. (the former owner)
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One of my chef friends from KC has a daughter and soninlaw in Seattle. Travis is from Yakima and Karen and Bill drove clear to Eastern Washington, Reelo territory, and were amazed at the number of Trump/Pence signs. This was last year.
People in big cities don't ever see these voters and think they don't exist.
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(11-17-2017, 10:45 AM)Wonky3 Wrote:
(11-17-2017, 10:07 AM)Valuesize Wrote: [Image: DO2_Rj_Xr_Ws_AAVs_Aa.jpg]
Opposing Donald Trump is a bit like "supporting the troops".

To truly support our troops we should do something active. For instance: Many enlisted people in our military service are eligible for food stamps suggesting they struggle with other financial commitments. If we know a service family in our community we might offer to assist in supplementing the basic needs a family depends on. (Just one example).

If we feel Mr. Trump is incompetent and effecting leadership that is damaging the basic structure of our political and social climate we should do something more than "resist" in name only. What? We each can make choices about what action we want to take. Some may want to be active in the local Democratic party and elect people to our congress who could make Mr. Trump's actions impotent. Some may want to organize neighborhood groups of like minded people who would think of ways to be active in resistance. Others may want to write frequent well written and expressed letters to the editors or the local paper. To OPPOSE Donald Trump requires action, not simply the feeling that we oppose him. 

And some simply can't. Life can be harsh and unfair, draining the energy we might want to give to any resistance. Then, simply voicing that opposition might be all we can do, and that too is adding to the effort. 

We have had a year to take the measure of Mr. Trump. Many of us feel he must be made ineffective if not replaced. For those of us who feel this, let's agree to do what we can.

If someone in the military is on food stamps It's because he/she has children, probably more than one. No one told them to have children. That was their choice. So their choice is why they are on foodstamps.
And if so we are ALREADY supporting them.

Finding some poor local military person in the valley and giving them whatever you have in mind? To Supplement their "basic needs" sounds ridiculous to me.





And while VS says he agrees with you, so do I on the other stuff. But lets be real. You just told VS to fish or cut bait.
To stop running his mouth and actually do something. To shit or get off the pot Laughing Laughing
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(11-17-2017, 05:42 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(11-17-2017, 10:45 AM)Wonky3 Wrote:
(11-17-2017, 10:07 AM)Valuesize Wrote: [Image: DO2_Rj_Xr_Ws_AAVs_Aa.jpg]
Opposing Donald Trump is a bit like "supporting the troops".

To truly support our troops we should do something active. For instance: Many enlisted people in our military service are eligible for food stamps suggesting they struggle with other financial commitments. If we know a service family in our community we might offer to assist in supplementing the basic needs a family depends on. (Just one example).

If we feel Mr. Trump is incompetent and effecting leadership that is damaging the basic structure of our political and social climate we should do something more than "resist" in name only. What? We each can make choices about what action we want to take. Some may want to be active in the local Democratic party and elect people to our congress who could make Mr. Trump's actions impotent. Some may want to organize neighborhood groups of like minded people who would think of ways to be active in resistance. Others may want to write frequent well written and expressed letters to the editors or the local paper. To OPPOSE Donald Trump requires action, not simply the feeling that we oppose him. 

And some simply can't. Life can be harsh and unfair, draining the energy we might want to give to any resistance. Then, simply voicing that opposition might be all we can do, and that too is adding to the effort. 

We have had a year to take the measure of Mr. Trump. Many of us feel he must be made ineffective if not replaced. For those of us who feel this, let's agree to do what we can.

If someone in the military is on food stamps It's because he/she has children, probably more than one. No one told them to have children. That was their choice. So their choice is why they are on foodstamps.
And if so we are ALREADY supporting them.

Finding some poor local military person in the valley and giving them whatever you have in mind? To Supplement their "basic needs" sounds ridiculous to me.





And while VS says he agrees with you, so do I on the other stuff. But lets be real. You just told VS to fish or cut bait.
To stop running his mouth and actually do something. To shit or get off the pot Laughing Laughing

Yeah, I admit I don't have "the numbers" about what enlisted people in the military make these days, but I read often in the press that many lower ranking enlisted people get food stamps. About their having children: I don't know, maybe they hoped for advancement faster than it happened. It was only to make a point. Maybe they are making bad choices, lots of civilians do and they get food stamps.
But you are right: The point was kind of "shit or get off the pot".  Laughing
I think that bumber sticker "Support our Troops" is without teeth. "Support" means something more than agreeing they should go fight and die. So, I guess if I had any real backbone I'd go down to the local armory and see if I could do something to help. Now you know a lot about me...all talk, no action.
And, I feel the same way about "resisting" this president and his bumbling rants. Just laughing at the guy is not going to do much: Those young enough and with the energy and time are going to have to do something ACTIVE. 
Yep. Fish or cut bait. I did a bit of it "back in the day". Just grunt work, but I WAS active.
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