Is This The Winter Of Our Discontent?
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This is an "analysis" by a AP writer, and not "hard news", but appears to be a fact based review of events. It should give us pause about the conduct of the man we have elected to be our leader for at least the next four years. If ever there was a time when active citizenship is required to stay informed and communicate with our elected leaders, it seems to be now. My own opinon is that this goes beyond political left/right politics and is more about the conduct of one man, rather than a political party or feelings about our form of government. 


ANALYSIS PROMISES UNKEPT
Trump falling short of campaign mark 
President-elect takes up same behavior he criticized Clinton for
By Lisa Lerer
The Associated Press
WASHINGTON — Donald Trump spent the past two years attacking rival Hillary Clinton as crooked, corrupt, and weak.
But some of those attacks seem to have already slipped into the history books.
From installing Wall Street executives in his Cabinet to avoiding news conferences, the president-elect is adopting some of the same behavior for which he criticized Clinton during their fiery presidential campaign.
Here’s a look at what Trump said then — and what he’s doing now:
Goldman Sachs
Then: “I know the guys at Goldman Sachs,” Trump said at a South Carolina rally in February, when he was locked in a fierce primary battle with Texas Sen. Ted Cruz. “They have total, total control over him. Just like they have total control over Hillary Clinton.”
Now: A number of former employees of the Wall Street bank will pay a key role in crafting Trump’s economic policy. He’s tapped Goldman Sachs president Gary Cohn to lead the White House National Economic Council. Steven Mnuchin, the Treasury secretary nominee, spent 17 years working at Goldman Sachs and Steve Bannon, Trump’s chief strategist and senior counselor, started his career as an investment banker at the firm.
Trump is following in a long political tradition, though one he derided on the campaign trail: If Cohn accepts the nomination, he’ll be the third Goldman executive to run the NEC.
Big donors
Then: “Crooked Hillary. Look, can you imagine another four years of the Clintons? Seriously. It’s time to move on. And she’s totally controlled by Wall Street and all these people that gave her millions,” Trump said at a May rally in Lynden, Washington.
Now: Trump has stocked his Cabinet with six top donors — far more than any recent White House. “I want people that made a fortune. Because now they’re negotiating with you, OK?” Trump said, in a December 9 speech in Des Moines.
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The biggest giver? Incoming small business administrator Linda McMahon gave $7.5 million to a super PAC backing Trump, more than a third of the money collected by the political action committee.
News conferences
Then: “She doesn’t do news conferences, because she can’t,” Trump said at an August rally in Ashburn, Virginia. “She’s so dishonest she doesn’t want people peppering her with questions.”
Now: Trump opened his last news conference on July 27, saying: “You know, I put myself through your news conferences often, not that it’s fun.”
He hasn’t held one since.
Trump skipped the news conference a president-elect typically gives after winning the White House. Instead, he released a YouTube video of under three minutes. He also recently abruptly canceled plans to hold his first postelection news conference, opting instead to describe his plans for managing his businesses in tweets. “I will hold a press conference in the near future to discuss the business, Cabinet picks and all other topics of interest. Busy times!” he tweeted in mid-December.
Family ties
Then: “It is impossible to figure out where the Clinton Foundation ends and the State Department begins. It is now abundantly clear that the Clintons set up a business to profit from public office. They sold access and specific actions by and really for I guess the making of large amounts of money,” Trump said at an August rally in Austin.
Now: While Trump has promised to separate himself from his businesses, there is plenty of overlap between his enterprises and his immediate family. His companies will be run by his sons, Donald Jr and Eric. And his daughter, Ivanka, and son-inlaw, Jared Kushner, have joined Trump at a number of meetings with world leaders of countries where the family has financial interests.
In a financial disclosure he was required to file during the campaign, Trump listed stakes in about 500 companies in at least 25 countries.
Ivanka, in particular, has been caught making early efforts to leverage her father’s new position into profits. After an interview with the family appeared on “60 Minutes,” her jewelry company, Ivanka Trump Fine Jewelry, blasted out an email promoting the $10,800 gold bangle bracelet that she had worn during the appearance. The company later said they were “proactively discussing new policies and procedures.”
Ivanka is also auctioning off a private coffee meeting with her to benefit her brother’s foundation. The meeting is valued at $50,000, with the current top bid coming in at $25,000.
“United States Secret Service will be Present for the Duration of the Experience,” warns the auction site.
Trump on Saturday said he would dissolve his charitable foundation amid efforts to eliminate any conflicts of interest before he takes office next month.
Clinton investigations
Then: “If I win, I am going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation, because there has never been so many lies, so much deception. There has never been anything like it, and we’re going to have a special prosecutor,” Trump said in the October presidential debate.
Now: Since winning office, Trump has said he has no intention of pushing for an investigation into Clinton’s use of a private email server as secretary of state or the workings of her family foundation. “It’s just not something that I feel very strongly about,” he told the New York Times.
“She went through a lot. And suffered greatly in many different ways,” he said. “I’m not looking to hurt them.”




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Wouldn't it have been great if the same time and critique was done by the left on obozo and his minions?
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Nope, no bias here....  move along.


Quote:Lisa Lerer, of POLITICO, was an identified member of JournoList - an email group of approximately 400 "progressive" and socialist journalists, academics and "new media" activists.

JournoList members reportedly coordinated their messages in favor of Barack Obama and the Democrats, and against Sarah Palin and the Republican Party. JournoList was founded in 2007 and was closed down in early 2010


http://keywiki.org/Lisa_Lerer
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(12-26-2016, 08:04 AM)orygunluvr Wrote: Wouldn't it have been great if the same time and critique was done by the left on obozo and his minions?

When it comes to Trump
OL is
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(12-26-2016, 09:10 AM)chuck white Wrote:
(12-26-2016, 08:04 AM)orygunluvr Wrote: Wouldn't it have been great if the same time and critique was done by the left on obozo and his minions?

When it comes to Trump
OL is
[Image: 3+monkeys+3.jpg]

That's how you guys have been with obozo the past 8 years. You guys act like he's the pope in his bubble car that no one has ever influenced him and he's somehow protected from the failures, evils, and ills of the left, that it doesn't represent him.
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There is only one reason I can think of that more people are not terrified of Donald Trump. Most people don't believe much of what he says.
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(12-26-2016, 11:10 AM)cletus1 Wrote: There is only one reason I can think of that more people are not terrified of Donald Trump. Most people don't believe much of what he says.

True, look at his wall street appointees. Business as usual in Washington.

Look to an end of Science and Education.
And a clamp down on the internet.
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(12-26-2016, 11:10 AM)cletus1 Wrote: There is only one reason I can think of that more people are not terrified of Donald Trump. Most people don't believe much of what he says.

That's laughable, terrified. You rubes lost, with that hope actually came back to America, knowing that more job killing regulations and crippling taxes won't be the future of many isn't terrifying.
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(12-26-2016, 11:20 AM)orygunluvr Wrote:
(12-26-2016, 11:10 AM)cletus1 Wrote: There is only one reason I can think of that more people are not terrified of Donald Trump. Most people don't believe much of what he says.

That's laughable, terrified. You rubes lost, with that hope actually came back to America, knowing that more job killing regulations and crippling taxes won't be the future of many isn't terrifying.
Going to jail for a year or loosing citizenship over burning the flag is.
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(12-26-2016, 11:22 AM)cletus1 Wrote:
(12-26-2016, 11:20 AM)orygunluvr Wrote:
(12-26-2016, 11:10 AM)cletus1 Wrote: There is only one reason I can think of that more people are not terrified of Donald Trump. Most people don't believe much of what he says.

That's laughable, terrified. You rubes lost, with that hope actually came back to America, knowing that more job killing regulations and crippling taxes won't be the future of many isn't terrifying
Going to jail for a year or loosing citizenship over burning the flag is.
Hillary proposed the same thing in the past and no one from your handlers batted an eye
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(12-26-2016, 11:52 AM)orygunluvr Wrote:
(12-26-2016, 11:22 AM)cletus1 Wrote:
(12-26-2016, 11:20 AM)orygunluvr Wrote:
(12-26-2016, 11:10 AM)cletus1 Wrote: There is only one reason I can think of that more people are not terrified of Donald Trump. Most people don't believe much of what he says.

That's laughable, terrified. You rubes lost, with that hope actually came back to America, knowing that more job killing regulations and crippling taxes won't be the future of many isn't terrifying
Going to jail for a year or loosing citizenship over burning the flag is.
Hillary proposed the same thing in the past and no one from your handlers batted an eye
Is that more false news or can you back that up?
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(12-26-2016, 12:14 PM)chuck white Wrote:
(12-26-2016, 11:52 AM)orygunluvr Wrote:
(12-26-2016, 11:22 AM)cletus1 Wrote:
(12-26-2016, 11:20 AM)orygunluvr Wrote:
(12-26-2016, 11:10 AM)cletus1 Wrote: There is only one reason I can think of that more people are not terrified of Donald Trump. Most people don't believe much of what he says.

That's laughable, terrified. You rubes lost, with that hope actually came back to America, knowing that more job killing regulations and crippling taxes won't be the future of many isn't terrifying
Going to jail for a year or loosing citizenship over burning the flag is.
Hillary proposed the same thing in the past and no one from your handlers batted an eye
Is that more false news or can you back that up?

http://www.newsweek.com/clinton-trump-fl...ent-526581
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(12-26-2016, 12:34 PM)Hugo Wrote:
(12-26-2016, 12:14 PM)chuck white Wrote:
(12-26-2016, 11:52 AM)orygunluvr Wrote:
(12-26-2016, 11:22 AM)cletus1 Wrote:
(12-26-2016, 11:20 AM)orygunluvr Wrote: That's laughable, terrified. You rubes lost, with that hope actually came back to America, knowing that more job killing regulations and crippling taxes won't be the future of many isn't terrifying
Going to jail for a year or loosing citizenship over burning the flag is.
Hillary proposed the same thing in the past and no one from your handlers batted an eye
Is that more false news or can you back that up?

http://www.newsweek.com/clinton-trump-fl...ent-526581

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-sp...g-burning/


You might hear about these things if you stop watching fake news, and start paying attention.
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(12-26-2016, 12:34 PM)Hugo Wrote:
(12-26-2016, 12:34 PM)Hugo Wrote:
(12-26-2016, 12:14 PM)chuck white Wrote:
(12-26-2016, 11:52 AM)orygunluvr Wrote:
(12-26-2016, 11:22 AM)cletus1 Wrote: Going to jail for a year or loosing citizenship over burning the flag is.
Hillary proposed the same thing in the past and no one from your handlers batted an eye
Is that more false news or can you back that up?

http://www.newsweek.com/clinton-trump-fl...ent-526581

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-sp...g-burning/

Newsflash>>> They both say whatever needs to be said to the particular voter they happen to be speaking to.
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(12-26-2016, 12:39 PM)Valuesize Wrote:
(12-26-2016, 12:34 PM)Hugo Wrote:
(12-26-2016, 12:34 PM)Hugo Wrote:
(12-26-2016, 12:14 PM)chuck white Wrote:
(12-26-2016, 11:52 AM)orygunluvr Wrote: Hillary proposed the same thing in the past and no one from your handlers batted an eye
Is that more false news or can you back that up?

http://www.newsweek.com/clinton-trump-fl...ent-526581

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-sp...g-burning/

Newsflash>>> They both say whatever needs to be said to the particular voter they happen to be speaking to.

Newsflash>>> You might hear about these things if you stop watching fake news, and start paying attention.

And way to backpedal your insult to OL.
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(12-26-2016, 12:41 PM)Hugo Wrote:
(12-26-2016, 12:39 PM)Valuesize Wrote:
(12-26-2016, 12:34 PM)Hugo Wrote:
(12-26-2016, 12:34 PM)Hugo Wrote:
(12-26-2016, 12:14 PM)chuck white Wrote: Is that more false news or can you back that up?

http://www.newsweek.com/clinton-trump-fl...ent-526581

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-sp...g-burning/

Newsflash>>> They both say whatever needs to be said to the particular voter they happen to be speaking to.

Newsflash>>> You might hear about these things if you stop watching fake news, and start paying attention.

And way to backpedal your insult to OL.

Which insult? There are so many...  Laughing All deserving though.
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Quote:Is This The Winter Of Our Discontent?

 
Laughing  "Yours" Wonky, not "ours".
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(12-26-2016, 12:34 PM)Hugo Wrote:
(12-26-2016, 12:14 PM)chuck white Wrote:
(12-26-2016, 11:52 AM)orygunluvr Wrote:
(12-26-2016, 11:22 AM)cletus1 Wrote:
(12-26-2016, 11:20 AM)orygunluvr Wrote: That's laughable, terrified. You rubes lost, with that hope actually came back to America, knowing that more job killing regulations and crippling taxes won't be the future of many isn't terrifying
Going to jail for a year or loosing citizenship over burning the flag is.
Hillary proposed the same thing in the past and no one from your handlers batted an eye
Is that more false news or can you back that up?

http://www.newsweek.com/clinton-trump-fl...ent-526581

Nothing about loosing citizenship.
Razz
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(12-26-2016, 12:55 PM)Hugo Wrote:
Quote:Is This The Winter Of Our Discontent?

 
Laughing  "Yours" Wonky, not "ours".

I hope so, Hugo, I really do. But you gotta admit Mr. Trump's outspoken, often contradictory, comments are a matter of concern. It's unusual for a president-elect to comment on so many policy postitions prior to taking office. One would think he would be too involved in preparing for the office to spend so much time on social media. 

But time wil tell and very soon we will know more about him and how he deals with the chair in the oval office. 

PS: "The winter of our discontent" I lifed from Shakespeare: Seemed fitting to me, but if you feel positive, I'm happy for you. We will BOTH know in due time.
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Wonky "If ever there was a time when active citizenship is required to stay informed and communicate with our elected leaders, it seems to be now."

 You mean cry about leaving the barn door open.. NOW?
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