Take a knee.
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(09-27-2017, 06:42 PM)Scrapper Wrote:
(09-27-2017, 04:09 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(09-27-2017, 02:37 PM)Scrapper Wrote: I like this....

Quote:These Protests Aren’t About a Flag, an Anthem, or the Military—and You Know it
SEPTEMBER 26, 2017 / JOHN PAVLOVITZ

[Image: Kneelingnflplayers.jpg]
“They’re disrespecting the flag!”
“They’re disrespecting the Anthem!”
“They’re disrespecting the Military!”

These have been the constant refrains from many people over the past week (most of them white) in response to NFL players locking arms or taking a knee or placing a fist in the air during the National Anthem: that such things represent an attack on this country, on its servicemen and women—on America itself.
Never mind that those actually protesting have denied such things over and over and over again, both before and after every game. Such details are of little importance, especially when those details would effectively defuse any histrionics from the righteously indignant critics, and force them to actually confront the very real ugliness at hand.
This purposeful missing of the point isn’t surprising in Donald Trump’s America, since gaslighting and deflecting and feigning ignorance are hismodus operandi—tactics all of which have been on display in reckless, incendiary press statements; nationalist-baiting Tweets; and “I never said anything about race” post game stupidity.
In saying that these athletes are protesting the flag or the Military or the Anthem—you are choosing to listen to your bias and not their actual words.  You’re simply ignoring their repeated statements, in order to perpetuate the narrative you need to oppose them without feeling any responsibility to wrestle with the difficult issues they raise.
By creating a black and white “Traitorous NFL Player vs. America” storyline, you’re able to completely ignore the stated and repeated impetus behind Kaepernick’s initial protest (and every one that’s followed): the plea for people of color to be treated with equity by law enforcement, the criminal justice system, and our government. When the President labels these men “sons of bitches” who should be terminated—he’s only proving why their protests are valid and necessary to begin with.
The idea that there was a “better way” to do these demonstrations is a diversion and unhelpful, as there are a million ways to be an activist.Kaepernick originally leveraged his platform, influence, and visibility to declare that black lives were valuable and should be part of whatever “making America great” looks like. It’s really that simple. The hysterical response to it all by largely white Americans, only underscores precisely why Kaepernick protested in the first place, the deeply embedded racism this country is afflicted with, and why many white people will do almost anything to avoid dealing with it. The “better way” they were looking for from these players, is one out of the spotlight, away from their entertainment—and somewhere they didn’t have to look at it or deal with it.
A piece of cloth is not sacred, and a song (especially one with a suspectgenesis) is not sacred. They are symbols of a freedom that those serving our country have died to give all of us and to protect for all of us. That freedom is supposed to be available to every human being who calls this county home—because they, not the flag or the anthem, are sacred.They alone are worthy of reverence and honor and respect. And the simple, brutal truth—is that since America’s inception, people of color have not received anything close to such equity. They’ve been the ones who have been “disrespected” (and this is being extremely kind).
That’s why Colin Kaepernick took a knee.
It’s why players locked arms.
It’s why they raised their fists in the air.
They have said as much without hesitation or ambiguity.
They done these things, not because they hate this country—but because they want everyone here to have the liberty the flag points to and the song suggests. 

For anyone to try put words in their mouths or assign to them motives that they’ve clearly denied, or to try and shame and silence them because this all makes them uncomfortable is the very definition of privilege. It’s exactly the kind of marginalizing and disregard that made these protests necessary in the first place. To come to the defense of a piece of cloth or a song, and not to the people beneath these protests is willful sin.
This is not about an attack on a flag or an anthem or on those who’ve served this country.
You can try and make it about those things—but that really just makes it about you , what you’re willing to talk about and what you don’t want to be inconvenienced with.
I think that’s the point these players are making: America is about more than you—or at least it’s supposed to be.


https://johnpavlovitz.com/2017/09/26/pro...tary-know/

 Wow Scrapper as I think you know I said almost the exact thing on FB yesterday and it came from my OWN brain LOL.
That doesn't make me a genius. It just means that it's common sense. But needs to be said anyway. Thanks.
Yes, but I would never quote you from facebook on here. Wouldn't be right.

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OK LOL that's not what I meant but thanks.
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#22
(09-28-2017, 11:12 AM)Hugo Wrote: If more of them would kneel when they are TOLD to, fewer would get shot/pepper sprayed/beat by police.

I saw the same thing on a FB meme. It's a racist comment because it tries to connect thugs to athletes.

More of "them" sheesh.
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#23
(09-28-2017, 11:04 AM)GPnative Wrote:
(09-28-2017, 10:53 AM)Scrapper Wrote: Love this....

Quote:[Image: 21768080_10215683760553990_3825498995371...e=5A56EA9B]

I stand so that you can kneel
By Andrew Freborg

I stand to honor the promise the flag represents.
You kneel because that promise has been broken.

I stand to affirm my belief that all are created equal, and to fight alongside you for that promise.
You kneel because too few stand with you.

I stand because we can be better.
You kneel to remind us to be better.

I stand to honor all that have fought and died so that we may be free.
You kneel because not all of us are.

I stand because I can.
You kneel for those who can't.

I stand to defend your right to kneel.
You kneel to defend my right to stand.

I stand because I love this country.
You kneel because you love it too.

Yea, cause that's what's going through peoples minds when they kneel.... Rolling Eyes

Well as far as what is going through their minds. I've never heard any of them say they intended to disrespect soldiers or the military and that what I hear from most of the objectors.
As matter of fact they say exactly what is going through their minds. But in order to be outraged these objectors have to invent what they think is going through the athletes minds.
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#24
(09-28-2017, 11:17 AM)GPnative Wrote:
(09-28-2017, 11:15 AM)Valuesize Wrote:
(09-28-2017, 11:04 AM)GPnative Wrote:
(09-28-2017, 10:53 AM)Scrapper Wrote: Love this....

Quote:[Image: 21768080_10215683760553990_3825498995371...e=5A56EA9B]

I stand so that you can kneel
By Andrew Freborg

I stand to honor the promise the flag represents.
You kneel because that promise has been broken.

I stand to affirm my belief that all are created equal, and to fight alongside you for that promise.
You kneel because too few stand with you.

I stand because we can be better.
You kneel to remind us to be better.

I stand to honor all that have fought and died so that we may be free.
You kneel because not all of us are.

I stand because I can.
You kneel for those who can't.

I stand to defend your right to kneel.
You kneel to defend my right to stand.

I stand because I love this country.
You kneel because you love it too.

Yea, cause that's what's going through peoples minds when they kneel.... Rolling Eyes

What do YOU think is "going through these people's minds when they kneel?" I'd really like to know...

Most likely "i hate trump and the media told me that doing this will matter"
 You are right Trump fanned the flames by acting like an idiot and cussing out athletes and their mothers.
 BTW Kaepernick has so far given $700.000 to various charities so he is putting his money where his mouth is IMO.
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#25
(09-28-2017, 11:17 AM)GPnative Wrote: Most likely "i hate trump and the media told me that doing this will matter"

After his Friday and Saturday comments of course you were going to get this much larger show of solidarity, but the media comment is just more of your Trumpster showing.  Razz
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(09-28-2017, 03:40 PM)Valuesize Wrote:
(09-28-2017, 11:17 AM)GPnative Wrote: Most likely "i hate trump and the media told me that doing this will matter"

After his Friday and Saturday comments of course you were going to get this much larger show of solidarity, but the media comment is just more of your Trumpster showing.  Razz

Ha! Those idiots have no solidarity, this is not a unified message, I'd bet $100 if you asked 10 of them you'd get ten different answers, that's what makes the whole thing so stupid, a hodge podge of idiocy, just shut up and play ball.
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#27
Whatever it WAS about... it is NOW about Trump.
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#28
Oh but you do Chucky you Bow Down and Worship the object of environmentalism in other words the Earth at every chance you get...

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#29
(09-28-2017, 06:15 PM)GPnative Wrote:
(09-28-2017, 03:40 PM)Valuesize Wrote:
(09-28-2017, 11:17 AM)GPnative Wrote: Most likely "i hate trump and the media told me that doing this will matter"

After his Friday and Saturday comments of course you were going to get this much larger show of solidarity, but the media comment is just more of your Trumpster showing.  Razz

Ha! Those idiots have no solidarity, this is not a unified message, I'd bet $100 if you asked 10 of them you'd get ten different answers, that's what makes the whole thing so stupid, a hodge podge of idiocy, just shut up and play ball.
So you actually don't think any of those who took a knee after Trumps comment knew what Kaipernic was protesting? Of course they did and they showed support for Kaepernic BECAUSE Trump comes off like such a racist asshole

I'll take your bet. If you asked ten of them every single one would tell you it's about racial injustice.



just shut up and play ball.

They never uttered one word nor did they hold up any games.
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#30
(09-28-2017, 06:17 PM)GCG Wrote: Whatever it WAS about... it is NOW about Trump.

Trump has no clue when to speak and when not to speak. He is no leader.
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#31
(09-28-2017, 06:17 PM)capitalist pig Wrote: Oh but you do Chucky you Bow Down and Worship the object of environmentalism in other words the Earth at every chance you get...

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I don't even see a chuck post on this page. And what you said about CW hardly makes sense.

Drunk already.
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#32
(09-28-2017, 06:28 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(09-28-2017, 06:15 PM)GPnative Wrote:
(09-28-2017, 03:40 PM)Valuesize Wrote:
(09-28-2017, 11:17 AM)GPnative Wrote: Most likely "i hate trump and the media told me that doing this will matter"

After his Friday and Saturday comments of course you were going to get this much larger show of solidarity, but the media comment is just more of your Trumpster showing.  Razz

Ha! Those idiots have no solidarity, this is not a unified message, I'd bet $100 if you asked 10 of them you'd get ten different answers, that's what makes the whole thing so stupid, a hodge podge of idiocy, just shut up and play ball.
So you actually don't think any of those who took a knee after Trumps comment knew what Kaipernic was protesting? Of course they did and they showed support for Kaepernic BECAUSE Trump comes off like such a racist asshole

I'll take your bet. If you asked ten of them every single one would tell you it's about racial injustice.



just shut up and play ball.

They never uttered one word nor did they hold up any games.

Not a chance!

Shut up and play ball is just a figure of speech. If you prefer "cut the shit and play ball" also works. The fans don't want to see this nonsense and its quickly blowing up in the NFLs face.
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#33
(09-28-2017, 06:39 PM)GPnative Wrote:
(09-28-2017, 06:28 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(09-28-2017, 06:15 PM)GPnative Wrote:
(09-28-2017, 03:40 PM)Valuesize Wrote:
(09-28-2017, 11:17 AM)GPnative Wrote: Most likely "i hate trump and the media told me that doing this will matter"

After his Friday and Saturday comments of course you were going to get this much larger show of solidarity, but the media comment is just more of your Trumpster showing.  Razz

Ha! Those idiots have no solidarity, this is not a unified message, I'd bet $100 if you asked 10 of them you'd get ten different answers, that's what makes the whole thing so stupid, a hodge podge of idiocy, just shut up and play ball.
So you actually don't think any of those who took a knee after Trumps comment knew what Kaipernic was protesting? Of course they did and they showed support for Kaepernic BECAUSE Trump comes off like such a racist asshole

I'll take your bet. If you asked ten of them every single one would tell you it's about racial injustice.



just shut up and play ball.

They never uttered one word nor did they hold up any games.

Not a chance!

Shut up and play ball is just a figure of speech. If you prefer "cut the shit and play ball" also works. The fans don't want to see this nonsense and its quickly blowing up in the NFLs face.

The fans hardly know what they want. They just follow the leader. Whoever that is this week.

Sorry, but that's just my rather low opinion of sports fans.
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#34
(09-28-2017, 06:46 PM)Cuzz Wrote:
(09-28-2017, 06:39 PM)GPnative Wrote:
(09-28-2017, 06:28 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(09-28-2017, 06:15 PM)GPnative Wrote:
(09-28-2017, 03:40 PM)Valuesize Wrote: After his Friday and Saturday comments of course you were going to get this much larger show of solidarity, but the media comment is just more of your Trumpster showing.  Razz

Ha! Those idiots have no solidarity, this is not a unified message, I'd bet $100 if you asked 10 of them you'd get ten different answers, that's what makes the whole thing so stupid, a hodge podge of idiocy, just shut up and play ball.
So you actually don't think any of those who took a knee after Trumps comment knew what Kaipernic was protesting? Of course they did and they showed support for Kaepernic BECAUSE Trump comes off like such a racist asshole

I'll take your bet. If you asked ten of them every single one would tell you it's about racial injustice.



just shut up and play ball.

They never uttered one word nor did they hold up any games.

Not a chance!

Shut up and play ball is just a figure of speech. If you prefer "cut the shit and play ball" also works. The fans don't want to see this nonsense and its quickly blowing up in the NFLs face.

The fans hardly know what they want. They just follow the leader. Whoever that is this week.

Sorry, but that's just my rather low opinion of sports fans.
Fixed it LOL
Sorry, but that's just my rather low opinion of sports  Trump  fans.
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#35
(09-28-2017, 07:00 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(09-28-2017, 06:46 PM)Cuzz Wrote:
(09-28-2017, 06:39 PM)GPnative Wrote:
(09-28-2017, 06:28 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(09-28-2017, 06:15 PM)GPnative Wrote: Ha! Those idiots have no solidarity, this is not a unified message, I'd bet $100 if you asked 10 of them you'd get ten different answers, that's what makes the whole thing so stupid, a hodge podge of idiocy, just shut up and play ball.
So you actually don't think any of those who took a knee after Trumps comment knew what Kaipernic was protesting? Of course they did and they showed support for Kaepernic BECAUSE Trump comes off like such a racist asshole

I'll take your bet. If you asked ten of them every single one would tell you it's about racial injustice.



just shut up and play ball.

They never uttered one word nor did they hold up any games.

Not a chance!

Shut up and play ball is just a figure of speech. If you prefer "cut the shit and play ball" also works. The fans don't want to see this nonsense and its quickly blowing up in the NFLs face.

The fans hardly know what they want. They just follow the leader. Whoever that is this week.

Sorry, but that's just my rather low opinion of sports fans.
Fixed it LOL
Sorry, but that's just my rather low opinion of sports  Trump  fans.

Big Grin
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#36
Well TV has it covered perfectly in my opinion. You're like the big brother I always wished I had.  Big Grin  (and I have a big brother)  Embarrassed 

This never had to be the fiasco it's become thanks to the POS divider in chief. He's playing us ALL while he fleeces the country and uses smoke and mirrors to keep us distracted from his treasonist ways.  Please be thorough Mr Mueller, but PLEASE hurry. 



And no Donnie, it's called colluding and bordering on treason. Lock him up!  Mad
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#37
What a dotard.
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#38
If it's repeated enough, like three times, his base will believe it.   Embarrassed
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#39
(09-29-2017, 08:43 AM)Cuzz Wrote: If it's repeated it enough, like  three times, his base will believe it.   Embarrassed
You know, it's kinda depressing that we are all SOMEONE'S base.  Sad
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#40
I see Christine posting about STANDING on FB.
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