11-11-2018, 06:39 PM
23 dead and 110 missing .. unbelievable
Fires and sensationalism
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11-11-2018, 06:39 PM
23 dead and 110 missing .. unbelievable
11-11-2018, 07:18 PM
(11-11-2018, 06:38 PM)tvguy Wrote:(11-11-2018, 06:33 PM)Cuzz Wrote:(11-11-2018, 06:19 PM)Juniper Wrote:(11-11-2018, 02:10 PM)tvguy Wrote: WOW no sensationalism here....| Yeah, not fun.
11-19-2018, 07:04 PM
1000 people listed missing in the Car fire? WTH? I realize many of these people are just people who fled to safety and are unaccounted for, but that's a really high number!
11-19-2018, 07:31 PM
(11-19-2018, 07:04 PM)Juniper Wrote: 1000 people listed missing in the Car fire? WTH? I realize many of these people are just people who fled to safety and are unaccounted for, but that's a really high number! Car fire? You mean Camp fire This is an example of what we talked about before. It could have been called the CAMP fire but NOOOOOOOOOOO lets not use a ciry for a location we are all aware of Also the missing have been on the news for many days. Why the hell don't they make contact with authorities? I means the ones who aint dead.
11-19-2018, 07:32 PM
(11-19-2018, 07:31 PM)tvguy Wrote:(11-19-2018, 07:04 PM)Juniper Wrote: 1000 people listed missing in the Car fire? WTH? I realize many of these people are just people who fled to safety and are unaccounted for, but that's a really high number! Yeah, that was a typo on my part. All these fires....
11-19-2018, 07:35 PM
(11-19-2018, 07:32 PM)Juniper Wrote:I think it's only the camp fire ( paradise) where the 1000 are missing(11-19-2018, 07:31 PM)tvguy Wrote:(11-19-2018, 07:04 PM)Juniper Wrote: 1000 people listed missing in the Car fire? WTH? I realize many of these people are just people who fled to safety and are unaccounted for, but that's a really high number!
11-19-2018, 07:56 PM
(11-19-2018, 07:35 PM)tvguy Wrote:(11-19-2018, 07:32 PM)Juniper Wrote:I think it's only the camp fire ( paradise) where the 1000 are missing(11-19-2018, 07:31 PM)tvguy Wrote:(11-19-2018, 07:04 PM)Juniper Wrote: 1000 people listed missing in the Car fire? WTH? I realize many of these people are just people who fled to safety and are unaccounted for, but that's a really high number! I'm sorry but I think "Camp Fire" is the worst name for a wild fire I've ever heard.
11-19-2018, 08:29 PM
(11-19-2018, 07:56 PM)Cuzz Wrote:(11-19-2018, 07:35 PM)tvguy Wrote:(11-19-2018, 07:32 PM)Juniper Wrote:I think it's only the camp fire ( paradise) where the 1000 are missing(11-19-2018, 07:31 PM)tvguy Wrote:(11-19-2018, 07:04 PM)Juniper Wrote: 1000 people listed missing in the Car fire? WTH? I realize many of these people are just people who fled to safety and are unaccounted for, but that's a really high number! Yeah, that's the first Thing I thought.
11-19-2018, 08:49 PM
(11-19-2018, 07:35 PM)tvguy Wrote:(11-19-2018, 07:32 PM)Juniper Wrote:I think it's only the camp fire ( paradise) where the 1000 are missing(11-19-2018, 07:31 PM)tvguy Wrote:(11-19-2018, 07:04 PM)Juniper Wrote: 1000 people listed missing in the Car fire? WTH? I realize many of these people are just people who fled to safety and are unaccounted for, but that's a really high number! Yes, that's what I meant. TV is right, these fire names are not helpful.
11-19-2018, 10:16 PM
Agreed on the name, might as well call it the forest fire.
11-19-2018, 10:54 PM
11-22-2018, 05:00 PM
Finally some rain and some relief! I hope that the remaining missing are just hunkered down somewhere and not going to be found amongst the destruction. Not get get too politcal but I do know a little about the forested parts of these various burns. Trump made a statement about mis-mismanagement but I don't know who or what entity managed the land where the Camp Fire started, (and he probably didn't either). I imagine, once started, it found it's way onto lands owned and managed by several entities...both public and private. What I do know is what I see every day. Forested areas that are left untended will burn readily and easily and if you try to populate those areas you better damn well do some serious management. Logging can play a key role in that... but it must be logged properly. Thin out the under brush and take enough trees to make room for new growth. And yes "rake" it all up when done. Then burn or chip or hog the piles when done. Replant. Lather, rinse, repeat.
11-22-2018, 05:49 PM
(11-22-2018, 05:00 PM)GCG Wrote: Finally some rain and some relief! I hope that the remaining missing are just hunkered down somewhere and not going to be found amongst the destruction. Not get get too politcal but I do know a little about the forested parts of these various burns. Trump made a statement about mis-mismanagement but I don't know who or what entity managed the land where the Camp Fire started, (and he probably didn't either). I imagine, once started, it found it's way onto lands owned and managed by several entities...both public and private. What I do know is what I see every day. Forested areas that are left untended will burn readily and easily and if you try to populate those areas you better damn well do some serious management. Logging can play a key role in that... but it must be logged properly. Thin out the under brush and take enough trees to make room for new growth. And yes "rake" it all up when done. Then burn or chip or hog the piles when done. Replant. Lather, rinse, repeat.I would add to that leave some bigger older trees. And yes "rake" it all up when done. Oh please GCG you know as well as I do no one EVER "raked" anything after logging.Or were you being funny? When I was logging as well as when I got commercial firewood permits from the BLM , we had to cut anything that was 12in or taller. I's getting too old dammit to remember the term used to describe that. It was something like "lop and scatter". Yeah Pretty sure that was it. Anyway IMO most of the problems that allow fires to spread quickly are simply that when you remove all the big ass trees they are replaced by smaller ones that aren't worth any money and burn easily. Having said that when a fire is fueled by high wings through bone dry forests at the rate of a football field in three seconds..... Good luck stopping that by ANY forestry methods.
11-22-2018, 06:25 PM
(This post was last modified: 11-22-2018, 06:31 PM by GCG. Edited 2 times in total.)
(11-22-2018, 05:49 PM)tvguy Wrote:It's called brush piling and it's done all the time... often using a brush blade on a cat or a skidder. Then it's either processed into chips, biomass... or burned in the winter. So no, no one is out there with a bamboo rake but "raking" it up is a good way of describing what is being done. As to the bigger older trees, they are often left... for many reasons. Most mills are not tooled to mill big diameter trees... 24-32" is a typical max. Also, most mechanical logging methos can't handle the larger trees. And the older trees are often culls anyway.(11-22-2018, 05:00 PM)GCG Wrote: Finally some rain and some relief! I hope that the remaining missing are just hunkered down somewhere and not going to be found amongst the destruction. Not get get too politcal but I do know a little about the forested parts of these various burns. Trump made a statement about mis-mismanagement but I don't know who or what entity managed the land where the Camp Fire started, (and he probably didn't either). I imagine, once started, it found it's way onto lands owned and managed by several entities...both public and private. What I do know is what I see every day. Forested areas that are left untended will burn readily and easily and if you try to populate those areas you better damn well do some serious management. Logging can play a key role in that... but it must be logged properly. Thin out the under brush and take enough trees to make room for new growth. And yes "rake" it all up when done. Then burn or chip or hog the piles when done. Replant. Lather, rinse, repeat.I would add to that leave some bigger older trees.
11-22-2018, 07:13 PM
(This post was last modified: 11-23-2018, 04:15 PM by tvguy. Edited 2 times in total.)
(11-22-2018, 06:25 PM)GCG Wrote:(11-22-2018, 05:49 PM)tvguy Wrote:It's called brush piling and it's done all the time... often using a brush blade on a cat or a skidder. Then it's either processed into chips, biomass... or burned in the winter. So no, no one is out there with a bamboo rake but "raking" it up is a good way of describing what is being done. As to the bigger older trees, they are often left... for many reasons. Most mills are not tooled to mill big diameter trees... 24-32" is a typical max. Also, most mechanical logging methos can't handle the larger trees. And the older trees are often culls anyway.(11-22-2018, 05:00 PM)GCG Wrote: Finally some rain and some relief! I hope that the remaining missing are just hunkered down somewhere and not going to be found amongst the destruction. Not get get too politcal but I do know a little about the forested parts of these various burns. Trump made a statement about mis-mismanagement but I don't know who or what entity managed the land where the Camp Fire started, (and he probably didn't either). I imagine, once started, it found it's way onto lands owned and managed by several entities...both public and private. What I do know is what I see every day. Forested areas that are left untended will burn readily and easily and if you try to populate those areas you better damn well do some serious management. Logging can play a key role in that... but it must be logged properly. Thin out the under brush and take enough trees to make room for new growth. And yes "rake" it all up when done. Then burn or chip or hog the piles when done. Replant. Lather, rinse, repeat.I would add to that leave some bigger older trees. Okay you're right I worked on a cable yarder we had to lop and Scatter with chainsaws too steep for any kind of equipment. And no way in hell is raking it up a good description LoL .Trump's a f****** moron who never can find the right words. And I'm glad they no longer go after the giant trees. Hopefully someday the forest will be more like the natural Forests that were here and survived all the burns.
11-22-2018, 10:28 PM
(11-19-2018, 10:54 PM)Juniper Wrote:(11-19-2018, 10:16 PM)GPnative Wrote: Agreed on the name, might as well call it the forest fire. Maybe it was called camp fire, because somebody had some marshmallows or some smores. |
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