I actually agree with Trump
(01-02-2019, 03:01 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(01-02-2019, 12:23 PM)Juniper Wrote: So during the press conference, while Secretary Neilsen is talking and it's being streamed on FB all the little emojis floating by are likes and loves.  Then Trump comes on and they change to angry emojis. He just needs to STFU.

I've never seem the emojis stream by like that. It's kind of cool that people can express their feeling that way. I guess

Did you see it this time?  Trump would love it if all the emoji's were positive. He'd count it.  It was interesting to see Nielsen talk and most of the emoji's were positive. then Trump talked and they all went angry.
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(01-02-2019, 05:05 PM)Juniper Wrote:
(01-02-2019, 03:01 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(01-02-2019, 12:23 PM)Juniper Wrote: So during the press conference, while Secretary Neilsen is talking and it's being streamed on FB all the little emojis floating by are likes and loves.  Then Trump comes on and they change to angry emojis. He just needs to STFU.

I've never seem the emojis stream by like that. It's kind of cool that people can express their feeling that way. I guess

Did you see it this time?  Trump would love it if all the emoji's were positive. He'd count it.  It was interesting to see Nielsen talk and most of the emoji's were positive. then Trump talked and they all went angry.
No I haven't seen it of FB ,do people post this or where do you find it?
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(01-02-2019, 07:50 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(01-02-2019, 05:05 PM)Juniper Wrote:
(01-02-2019, 03:01 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(01-02-2019, 12:23 PM)Juniper Wrote: So during the press conference, while Secretary Neilsen is talking and it's being streamed on FB all the little emojis floating by are likes and loves.  Then Trump comes on and they change to angry emojis. He just needs to STFU.

I've never seem the emojis stream by like that. It's kind of cool that people can express their feeling that way. I guess

Did you see it this time?  Trump would love it if all the emoji's were positive. He'd count it.  It was interesting to see Nielsen talk and most of the emoji's were positive. then Trump talked and they all went angry.
No I haven't seen it of FB ,do people post this or where do you find it?

It pops up on my feed from different news sources from time to time.
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(01-02-2019, 08:04 PM)Juniper Wrote:
(01-02-2019, 07:50 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(01-02-2019, 05:05 PM)Juniper Wrote:
(01-02-2019, 03:01 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(01-02-2019, 12:23 PM)Juniper Wrote: So during the press conference, while Secretary Neilsen is talking and it's being streamed on FB all the little emojis floating by are likes and loves.  Then Trump comes on and they change to angry emojis. He just needs to STFU.

I've never seem the emojis stream by like that. It's kind of cool that people can express their feeling that way. I guess

Did you see it this time?  Trump would love it if all the emoji's were positive. He'd count it.  It was interesting to see Nielsen talk and most of the emoji's were positive. then Trump talked and they all went angry.
No I haven't seen it of FB ,do people post this or where do you find it?

It pops up on my feed from different news sources from time to time.

Yeah I don't have much of that. My wife does, she has flipboard whatever that is.
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(01-02-2019, 08:35 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(01-02-2019, 08:04 PM)Juniper Wrote:
(01-02-2019, 07:50 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(01-02-2019, 05:05 PM)Juniper Wrote:
(01-02-2019, 03:01 PM)tvguy Wrote: I've never seem the emojis stream by like that. It's kind of cool that people can express their feeling that way. I guess

Did you see it this time?  Trump would love it if all the emoji's were positive. He'd count it.  It was interesting to see Nielsen talk and most of the emoji's were positive. then Trump talked and they all went angry.
No I haven't seen it of FB ,do people post this or where do you find it?

It pops up on my feed from different news sources from time to time.

Yeah I don't have much of that. My wife does, she has flipboard whatever that is.
I don't know what that is. Stuff just pops up. Sometimes I look.
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Great. ^ Polluting the talking threads with memes. Sad
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(01-04-2019, 07:19 PM)Juniper Wrote: Great. ^ Polluting the talking threads with memes. Sad

It doesn't matter or bother me. It takes two seconds to click and see that it's SF and then leave.
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(01-05-2019, 02:58 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(01-04-2019, 07:19 PM)Juniper Wrote: Great. ^ Polluting the talking threads with memes. Sad

It doesn't matter or bother me. It takes two seconds to click and see that it's SF and then leave.
Pay no attention to me either then; I'm just whining. Wink
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That implies you can't be arrested for being here illegally which is not true... FAIL!
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2008 Democratic Platform, President Obama's Platform.

What happened?

Immigration

America has always been a nation of immigrants. Over the years, millions of people have come here in the hope that in America, you can make it if you try. Each successive wave of immigrants has contributed to our country's rich culture, economy and spirit. Like the immigrants that came before them, today's immigrants will shape their own destinies and enrich our country.

Nonetheless, our current immigration system has been broken for far too long. We need comprehensive immigration reform, not just piecemeal efforts. We must work together to pass immigration reform in a way that unites this country, not in a way that divides us by playing on our worst instincts and fears. We are committed to pursuing tough, practical, and humane immigration reform in the first year of the next administration.

We cannot continue to allow people to enter the United States undetected, undocumented, and unchecked. The American people are a welcoming and generous people, but those who enter our country's borders illegally, and those who employ them, disrespect the rule of the law. We need to secure our borders, and support additional personnel, infrastructure, and technology on the border and at our ports of entry. We need additional Customs and Border Protection agents equipped with better technology and real-time intelligence. We need to dismantle human smuggling organizations, combating the crime associated with this trade. We also need to do more to promote economic development in migrant-sending nations, to reduce incentives to come to the United States illegally. And we need to crack down on employers who hire undocumented immigrants. It's a problem when we only enforce our laws against the immigrants themselves, with raids that are ineffective, tear apart families, and leave people detained without adequate access to counsel. We realize that employers need a method to verify whether their employees are legally eligible to work in the United States, and we will ensure that our system is accurate, fair to legal workers, safeguards people's privacy, and cannot be used to discriminate against workers.

We must also improve the legal immigration system, and make our nation's naturalization process fair and accessible to the thousands of legal permanent residents who are eager to become full Americans. We should fix the dysfunctional immigration bureaucracy that hampers family reunification, the cornerstone of our immigration policy for years. Given the importance of both keeping families together and supporting American businesses, we will increase the number of immigration visas for family members of people living here and for immigrants who meet the demand for jobs that employers cannot fill, as long as appropriate labor market protections and standards are in place. We will fight discrimination against Americans who have always played by our immigration rules but are sometimes treated as if they had not.

For the millions living here illegally but otherwise playing by the rules, we must require them to come out of the shadows and get right with the law. We support a system that requires undocumented immigrants who are in good standing to pay a fine, pay taxes, learn English, and go to the back of the line for the opportunity to become citizens. They are our neighbors, and we can help them become full tax-paying, law-abiding, productive members of society.
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(01-07-2019, 11:17 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(01-07-2019, 09:12 PM)SFLiberal Wrote: [Image: 0d57751341e75f7dcd253fbaaadc68bb.jpg]


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That implies you can't be arrested for being here illegally which is not true... FAIL!


Ever her of Sanctuary cities or the case of Kalifornia, states?


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(01-07-2019, 11:17 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(01-07-2019, 09:12 PM)SFLiberal Wrote: [Image: 0d57751341e75f7dcd253fbaaadc68bb.jpg]


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That implies you can't be arrested for being here illegally which is not true... FAIL!


Just yesterday their(Socialist State of Kalifornia) new governor offered “sanctuary to all who seek it.”

So there is that....


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(01-08-2019, 08:06 PM)Someones Dad Wrote: 2008 Democratic Platform, President Obama's Platform.

What happened?

Immigration

America has always been a nation of immigrants. Over the years, millions of people have come here in the hope that in America, you can make it if you try. Each successive wave of immigrants has contributed to our country's rich culture, economy and spirit. Like the immigrants that came before them, today's immigrants will shape their own destinies and enrich our country.

Nonetheless, our current immigration system has been broken for far too long. We need comprehensive immigration reform, not just piecemeal efforts. We must work together to pass immigration reform in a way that unites this country, not in a way that divides us by playing on our worst instincts and fears. We are committed to pursuing tough, practical, and humane immigration reform in the first year of the next administration.

We cannot continue to allow people to enter the United States undetected, undocumented, and unchecked. The American people are a welcoming and generous people, but those who enter our country's borders illegally, and those who employ them, disrespect the rule of the law. We need to secure our borders, and support additional personnel, infrastructure, and technology on the border and at our ports of entry. We need additional Customs and Border Protection agents equipped with better technology and real-time intelligence. We need to dismantle human smuggling organizations, combating the crime associated with this trade. We also need to do more to promote economic development in migrant-sending nations, to reduce incentives to come to the United States illegally. And we need to crack down on employers who hire undocumented immigrants. It's a problem when we only enforce our laws against the immigrants themselves, with raids that are ineffective, tear apart families, and leave people detained without adequate access to counsel. We realize that employers need a method to verify whether their employees are legally eligible to work in the United States, and we will ensure that our system is accurate, fair to legal workers, safeguards people's privacy, and cannot be used to discriminate against workers.

We must also improve the legal immigration system, and make our nation's naturalization process fair and accessible to the thousands of legal permanent residents who are eager to become full Americans. We should fix the dysfunctional immigration bureaucracy that hampers family reunification, the cornerstone of our immigration policy for years. Given the importance of both keeping families together and supporting American businesses, we will increase the number of immigration visas for family members of people living here and for immigrants who meet the demand for jobs that employers cannot fill, as long as appropriate labor market protections and standards are in place. We will fight discrimination against Americans who have always played by our immigration rules but are sometimes treated as if they had not.

For the millions living here illegally but otherwise playing by the rules, we must require them to come out of the shadows and get right with the law. We support a system that requires undocumented immigrants who are in good standing to pay a fine, pay taxes, learn English, and go to the back of the line for the opportunity to become citizens. They are our neighbors, and we can help them become full tax-paying, law-abiding, productive members of society.
What are you trying to say? What's the red font supposed to mean?

Basically what's your point? That democrats are also for border security?
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(01-09-2019, 10:33 AM)tvguy Wrote:
(01-08-2019, 08:06 PM)Someones Dad Wrote: 2008 Democratic Platform, President Obama's Platform.

What happened?

Immigration

America has always been a nation of immigrants. Over the years, millions of people have come here in the hope that in America, you can make it if you try. Each successive wave of immigrants has contributed to our country's rich culture, economy and spirit. Like the immigrants that came before them, today's immigrants will shape their own destinies and enrich our country.

Nonetheless, our current immigration system has been broken for far too long. We need comprehensive immigration reform, not just piecemeal efforts. We must work together to pass immigration reform in a way that unites this country, not in a way that divides us by playing on our worst instincts and fears. We are committed to pursuing tough, practical, and humane immigration reform in the first year of the next administration.

We cannot continue to allow people to enter the United States undetected, undocumented, and unchecked. The American people are a welcoming and generous people, but those who enter our country's borders illegally, and those who employ them, disrespect the rule of the law. We need to secure our borders, and support additional personnel, infrastructure, and technology on the border and at our ports of entry. We need additional Customs and Border Protection agents equipped with better technology and real-time intelligence. We need to dismantle human smuggling organizations, combating the crime associated with this trade. We also need to do more to promote economic development in migrant-sending nations, to reduce incentives to come to the United States illegally. And we need to crack down on employers who hire undocumented immigrants. It's a problem when we only enforce our laws against the immigrants themselves, with raids that are ineffective, tear apart families, and leave people detained without adequate access to counsel. We realize that employers need a method to verify whether their employees are legally eligible to work in the United States, and we will ensure that our system is accurate, fair to legal workers, safeguards people's privacy, and cannot be used to discriminate against workers.

We must also improve the legal immigration system, and make our nation's naturalization process fair and accessible to the thousands of legal permanent residents who are eager to become full Americans. We should fix the dysfunctional immigration bureaucracy that hampers family reunification, the cornerstone of our immigration policy for years. Given the importance of both keeping families together and supporting American businesses, we will increase the number of immigration visas for family members of people living here and for immigrants who meet the demand for jobs that employers cannot fill, as long as appropriate labor market protections and standards are in place. We will fight discrimination against Americans who have always played by our immigration rules but are sometimes treated as if they had not.

For the millions living here illegally but otherwise playing by the rules, we must require them to come out of the shadows and get right with the law. We support a system that requires undocumented immigrants who are in good standing to pay a fine, pay taxes, learn English, and go to the back of the line for the opportunity to become citizens. They are our neighbors, and we can help them become full tax-paying, law-abiding, productive members of society.
What are you trying to say? What's the red font supposed to mean?

Basically what's your point? That democrats are also for border security?

I'll take a stab at it... but I'm not sure if this is SD's point. 

1. Obama had 8 years to do something about an issue that he himself acknowledged as a problem. For the most part, no progress was made. Now Trump is trying to force some action... (whether or not the "wall" is anything beyond a demonstration of our country's desire to stem the tide can be argued). It's almost comical in that the overwhelming majority of Americans want this problem resolved but the powers that be will fight each other because they are more interested in their own power than in getting anything done.

We the people are just spectators in this absurd fighting and jockeying for the "win."
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(01-09-2019, 10:33 AM)tvguy Wrote:
(01-08-2019, 08:06 PM)Someones Dad Wrote: 2008 Democratic Platform, President Obama's Platform.

What happened?

Immigration

America has always been a nation of immigrants. Over the years, millions of people have come here in the hope that in America, you can make it if you try. Each successive wave of immigrants has contributed to our country's rich culture, economy and spirit. Like the immigrants that came before them, today's immigrants will shape their own destinies and enrich our country.

Nonetheless, our current immigration system has been broken for far too long. We need comprehensive immigration reform, not just piecemeal efforts. We must work together to pass immigration reform in a way that unites this country, not in a way that divides us by playing on our worst instincts and fears. We are committed to pursuing tough, practical, and humane immigration reform in the first year of the next administration.

We cannot continue to allow people to enter the United States undetected, undocumented, and unchecked. The American people are a welcoming and generous people, but those who enter our country's borders illegally, and those who employ them, disrespect the rule of the law. We need to secure our borders, and support additional personnel, infrastructure, and technology on the border and at our ports of entry. We need additional Customs and Border Protection agents equipped with better technology and real-time intelligence. We need to dismantle human smuggling organizations, combating the crime associated with this trade. We also need to do more to promote economic development in migrant-sending nations, to reduce incentives to come to the United States illegally. And we need to crack down on employers who hire undocumented immigrants. It's a problem when we only enforce our laws against the immigrants themselves, with raids that are ineffective, tear apart families, and leave people detained without adequate access to counsel. We realize that employers need a method to verify whether their employees are legally eligible to work in the United States, and we will ensure that our system is accurate, fair to legal workers, safeguards people's privacy, and cannot be used to discriminate against workers.

We must also improve the legal immigration system, and make our nation's naturalization process fair and accessible to the thousands of legal permanent residents who are eager to become full Americans. We should fix the dysfunctional immigration bureaucracy that hampers family reunification, the cornerstone of our immigration policy for years. Given the importance of both keeping families together and supporting American businesses, we will increase the number of immigration visas for family members of people living here and for immigrants who meet the demand for jobs that employers cannot fill, as long as appropriate labor market protections and standards are in place. We will fight discrimination against Americans who have always played by our immigration rules but are sometimes treated as if they had not.

For the millions living here illegally but otherwise playing by the rules, we must require them to come out of the shadows and get right with the law. We support a system that requires undocumented immigrants who are in good standing to pay a fine, pay taxes, learn English, and go to the back of the line for the opportunity to become citizens. They are our neighbors, and we can help them become full tax-paying, law-abiding, productive members of society.
What are you trying to say? What's the red font supposed to mean?

Basically what's your point? That democrats are also for border security?

I'm saying that they used to agree with YOU.  Just not right now, because they can't allow (in their minds) a "win" for anything Trump wants to do, especially the one issue that got him elected.

That makes it purely political, and what is best for the Country be damned.
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We don't NEED a border "wall." We need the government open and working as much or little that means and an allocation of funds to get whatever is needed to get started on a combination of things the experts on the ground say they need to do their jobs with the most effective manner possible. WTF is so hard to understand?
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