PGE could face murder charges
#1
This is National news, but it's so much a part of our entire culture here that this is where I chose to post it.

How does this work?  It's a terrible tragedy. And we are all devestated by it, but this kind of liability could destroy the company, but then, millions depend on them.



California’s giant utility, Pacific Gas and Electric, could face charges up to murder if it is found criminally liable in any of the state's recent deadly wildfires, the state’s attorney general said in a court filing.

State Attorney General Xavier Becerra’s office said PG&E could face the most serious in a range of criminal charges if it is found to have caused any of the recent deadly fires — and acted with malice in the operation and maintenance of its equipment, according to a brief filed Friday in Northern California’s federal district court.
The court filing came after U.S. District Judge William Alsup ordered the utility — the state’s largest — to determine if it played any role in the Camp Fire, which in November killed at least 88 people, destroyed nearly 14,000 homes and laid waste to most of the city of Paradise in Northern California.
Alsup is overseeing a sentence against PG&E in a separate case, a 2010 natural gas pipeline explosion south of San Francisco that killed eight people and injured dozens more.

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(12-30-2018, 08:31 PM)Juniper Wrote: This is National news, but it's so much a part of our entire culture here that this is where I chose to post it.

How does this work?  It's a terrible tragedy. And we are all devestated by it, but this kind of liability could destroy the company, but then, millions depend on them.



California’s giant utility, Pacific Gas and Electric, could face charges up to murder if it is found criminally liable in any of the state's recent deadly wildfires, the state’s attorney general said in a court filing.

State Attorney General Xavier Becerra’s office said PG&E could face the most serious in a range of criminal charges if it is found to have caused any of the recent deadly fires — and acted with malice in the operation and maintenance of its equipment, according to a brief filed Friday in Northern California’s federal district court.
The court filing came after U.S. District Judge William Alsup ordered the utility — the state’s largest — to determine if it played any role in the Camp Fire, which in November killed at least 88 people, destroyed nearly 14,000 homes and laid waste to most of the city of Paradise in Northern California.
Alsup is overseeing a sentence against PG&E in a separate case, a 2010 natural gas pipeline explosion south of San Francisco that killed eight people and injured dozens more.

Remember Erin Brockovich? That all started with PG&E.
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#3
(12-30-2018, 08:31 PM)Juniper Wrote: This is National news, but it's so much a part of our entire culture here that this is where I chose to post it.

How does this work?  It's a terrible tragedy. And we are all devestated by it, but this kind of liability could destroy the company, but then, millions depend on them.



California’s giant utility, Pacific Gas and Electric, could face charges up to murder if it is found criminally liable in any of the state's recent deadly wildfires, the state’s attorney general said in a court filing.

State Attorney General Xavier Becerra’s office said PG&E could face the most serious in a range of criminal charges if it is found to have caused any of the recent deadly fires — and acted with malice in the operation and maintenance of its equipment, according to a brief filed Friday in Northern California’s federal district court.
The court filing came after U.S. District Judge William Alsup ordered the utility — the state’s largest — to determine if it played any role in the Camp Fire, which in November killed at least 88 people, destroyed nearly 14,000 homes and laid waste to most of the city of Paradise in Northern California.
Alsup is overseeing a sentence against PG&E in a separate case, a 2010 natural gas pipeline explosion south of San Francisco that killed eight people and injured dozens more.


acted with malice in the operation and maintenance of its equipment,

I think it's absurd to think anyone at PP&L [b]acted with malice.

malice
 [/b]
1 : desire to cause pain, injury, or distress to another an attack motivated by pure malice

2 : intent to commit an unlawful act or cause harm without legal justification or excuse ruined her reputation and did it with malice


It sounds to me like this State Attorney General Xavier Becerra’s  is being dramatic and just wants the spot light. In other words being political.







Pacific Gas and Electric, could face charges up to murder


Murder
is the unlawful killing of another human without justification or valid excuse, especially the unlawful killing of another human being with malice aforethought.



 I think their could be negligence and that's about it, But negligence is the magic word when it comes to lawsuits

but this kind of liability could destroy the company, but then, millions depend on them.

I don't think the company is going anywhere no matter what. Restructured, new people at the wheel etc. It's a public utility it will always exist.
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#4
(12-31-2018, 11:00 AM)GCG Wrote:
(12-30-2018, 08:31 PM)Juniper Wrote: This is National news, but it's so much a part of our entire culture here that this is where I chose to post it.

How does this work?  It's a terrible tragedy. And we are all devestated by it, but this kind of liability could destroy the company, but then, millions depend on them.



California’s giant utility, Pacific Gas and Electric, could face charges up to murder if it is found criminally liable in any of the state's recent deadly wildfires, the state’s attorney general said in a court filing.

State Attorney General Xavier Becerra’s office said PG&E could face the most serious in a range of criminal charges if it is found to have caused any of the recent deadly fires — and acted with malice in the operation and maintenance of its equipment, according to a brief filed Friday in Northern California’s federal district court.
The court filing came after U.S. District Judge William Alsup ordered the utility — the state’s largest — to determine if it played any role in the Camp Fire, which in November killed at least 88 people, destroyed nearly 14,000 homes and laid waste to most of the city of Paradise in Northern California.
Alsup is overseeing a sentence against PG&E in a separate case, a 2010 natural gas pipeline explosion south of San Francisco that killed eight people and injured dozens more.

Remember Erin Brockovich? That all started with PG&E.

And PG&E is still there. I assume some heads were chopped off but the company itself remains.
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(12-31-2018, 12:04 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(12-30-2018, 08:31 PM)Juniper Wrote: This is National news, but it's so much a part of our entire culture here that this is where I chose to post it.

How does this work?  It's a terrible tragedy. And we are all devestated by it, but this kind of liability could destroy the company, but then, millions depend on them.



California’s giant utility, Pacific Gas and Electric, could face charges up to murder if it is found criminally liable in any of the state's recent deadly wildfires, the state’s attorney general said in a court filing.

State Attorney General Xavier Becerra’s office said PG&E could face the most serious in a range of criminal charges if it is found to have caused any of the recent deadly fires — and acted with malice in the operation and maintenance of its equipment, according to a brief filed Friday in Northern California’s federal district court.
The court filing came after U.S. District Judge William Alsup ordered the utility — the state’s largest — to determine if it played any role in the Camp Fire, which in November killed at least 88 people, destroyed nearly 14,000 homes and laid waste to most of the city of Paradise in Northern California.
Alsup is overseeing a sentence against PG&E in a separate case, a 2010 natural gas pipeline explosion south of San Francisco that killed eight people and injured dozens more.


acted with malice in the operation and maintenance of its equipment,

I think it's absurd to think anyone at PP&L [b]acted with malice.

malice
 [/b]
1 : desire to cause pain, injury, or distress to another an attack motivated by pure malice

2 : intent to commit an unlawful act or cause harm without legal justification or excuse ruined her reputation and did it with malice


It sounds to me like this State Attorney General Xavier Becerra’s  is being dramatic and just wants the spot light. In other words being political.







Pacific Gas and Electric, could face charges up to murder


Murder
is the unlawful killing of another human without justification or valid excuse, especially the unlawful killing of another human being with malice aforethought.



 I think their could be negligence and that's about it, But negligence is the magic word when it comes to lawsuits

but this kind of liability could destroy the company, but then, millions depend on them.

I don't think the company is going anywhere no matter what. Restructured, new people at the wheel etc. It's a public utility it will always exist.

You said PP&L, I think you meant PG&E (but not PGE).

It's a "public utility" in the sense it's traded on the NYSE but it's not a PUD. Just making it clear for anyone who might not know.

I could see them forced to put themselves on the auction block. They may end up there anyway if they have to pay damages from all their screw-ups. It's beginning to sound like they haven't maintained their system as well as they should. I don't know that but available information might lead one to believe it.
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(12-31-2018, 12:50 PM)Cuzz Wrote:
(12-31-2018, 12:04 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(12-30-2018, 08:31 PM)Juniper Wrote: This is National news, but it's so much a part of our entire culture here that this is where I chose to post it.

How does this work?  It's a terrible tragedy. And we are all devestated by it, but this kind of liability could destroy the company, but then, millions depend on them.



California’s giant utility, Pacific Gas and Electric, could face charges up to murder if it is found criminally liable in any of the state's recent deadly wildfires, the state’s attorney general said in a court filing.

State Attorney General Xavier Becerra’s office said PG&E could face the most serious in a range of criminal charges if it is found to have caused any of the recent deadly fires — and acted with malice in the operation and maintenance of its equipment, according to a brief filed Friday in Northern California’s federal district court.
The court filing came after U.S. District Judge William Alsup ordered the utility — the state’s largest — to determine if it played any role in the Camp Fire, which in November killed at least 88 people, destroyed nearly 14,000 homes and laid waste to most of the city of Paradise in Northern California.
Alsup is overseeing a sentence against PG&E in a separate case, a 2010 natural gas pipeline explosion south of San Francisco that killed eight people and injured dozens more.


acted with malice in the operation and maintenance of its equipment,

I think it's absurd to think anyone at PP&L [b]acted with malice.

malice
 [/b]
1 : desire to cause pain, injury, or distress to another an attack motivated by pure malice

2 : intent to commit an unlawful act or cause harm without legal justification or excuse ruined her reputation and did it with malice


It sounds to me like this State Attorney General Xavier Becerra’s  is being dramatic and just wants the spot light. In other words being political.







Pacific Gas and Electric, could face charges up to murder


Murder
is the unlawful killing of another human without justification or valid excuse, especially the unlawful killing of another human being with malice aforethought.



 I think their could be negligence and that's about it, But negligence is the magic word when it comes to lawsuits

but this kind of liability could destroy the company, but then, millions depend on them.

I don't think the company is going anywhere no matter what. Restructured, new people at the wheel etc. It's a public utility it will always exist.

You said PP&L, I think you meant PG&E (but not PGE).

It's a "public utility" in the sense it's traded on the NYSE but it's not a PUD. Just making it clear for anyone who might not know.

I could see them forced to put themselves on the auction block. They may end up there anyway if they have to pay damages from all their screw-ups. It's beginning to sound like they haven't maintained their system as well as they should. I don't know that but available information might lead one to believe it.

I could see them forced to put themselves on the auction block

Yes and they would still have all the same employees, buildings ,equipment etc.Just new people running the show.
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#7
(12-31-2018, 01:02 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(12-31-2018, 12:50 PM)Cuzz Wrote:
(12-31-2018, 12:04 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(12-30-2018, 08:31 PM)Juniper Wrote: This is National news, but it's so much a part of our entire culture here that this is where I chose to post it.

How does this work?  It's a terrible tragedy. And we are all devestated by it, but this kind of liability could destroy the company, but then, millions depend on them.



California’s giant utility, Pacific Gas and Electric, could face charges up to murder if it is found criminally liable in any of the state's recent deadly wildfires, the state’s attorney general said in a court filing.

State Attorney General Xavier Becerra’s office said PG&E could face the most serious in a range of criminal charges if it is found to have caused any of the recent deadly fires — and acted with malice in the operation and maintenance of its equipment, according to a brief filed Friday in Northern California’s federal district court.
The court filing came after U.S. District Judge William Alsup ordered the utility — the state’s largest — to determine if it played any role in the Camp Fire, which in November killed at least 88 people, destroyed nearly 14,000 homes and laid waste to most of the city of Paradise in Northern California.
Alsup is overseeing a sentence against PG&E in a separate case, a 2010 natural gas pipeline explosion south of San Francisco that killed eight people and injured dozens more.


acted with malice in the operation and maintenance of its equipment,

I think it's absurd to think anyone at PP&L [b]acted with malice.

malice
 [/b]
1 : desire to cause pain, injury, or distress to another an attack motivated by pure malice

2 : intent to commit an unlawful act or cause harm without legal justification or excuse ruined her reputation and did it with malice


It sounds to me like this State Attorney General Xavier Becerra’s  is being dramatic and just wants the spot light. In other words being political.







Pacific Gas and Electric, could face charges up to murder


Murder
is the unlawful killing of another human without justification or valid excuse, especially the unlawful killing of another human being with malice aforethought.



 I think their could be negligence and that's about it, But negligence is the magic word when it comes to lawsuits

but this kind of liability could destroy the company, but then, millions depend on them.

I don't think the company is going anywhere no matter what. Restructured, new people at the wheel etc. It's a public utility it will always exist.

You said PP&L, I think you meant PG&E (but not PGE).

It's a "public utility" in the sense it's traded on the NYSE but it's not a PUD. Just making it clear for anyone who might not know.

I could see them forced to put themselves on the auction block. They may end up there anyway if they have to pay damages from all their screw-ups. It's beginning to sound like they haven't maintained their system as well as they should. I don't know that but available information might lead one to believe it.

I could see them forced to put themselves on the auction block

Yes and they would still have all the same employees, buildings ,equipment etc.Just new people running the show.

Well, maybe a couple less employees. Someone will have to take the blame.   Razz 

Warren is always looking for a new company and he has the pockets for it. Laughing
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(12-31-2018, 01:21 PM)Cuzz Wrote:
(12-31-2018, 01:02 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(12-31-2018, 12:50 PM)Cuzz Wrote:
(12-31-2018, 12:04 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(12-30-2018, 08:31 PM)Juniper Wrote: This is National news, but it's so much a part of our entire culture here that this is where I chose to post it.

How does this work?  It's a terrible tragedy. And we are all devestated by it, but this kind of liability could destroy the company, but then, millions depend on them.



California’s giant utility, Pacific Gas and Electric, could face charges up to murder if it is found criminally liable in any of the state's recent deadly wildfires, the state’s attorney general said in a court filing.

State Attorney General Xavier Becerra’s office said PG&E could face the most serious in a range of criminal charges if it is found to have caused any of the recent deadly fires — and acted with malice in the operation and maintenance of its equipment, according to a brief filed Friday in Northern California’s federal district court.
The court filing came after U.S. District Judge William Alsup ordered the utility — the state’s largest — to determine if it played any role in the Camp Fire, which in November killed at least 88 people, destroyed nearly 14,000 homes and laid waste to most of the city of Paradise in Northern California.
Alsup is overseeing a sentence against PG&E in a separate case, a 2010 natural gas pipeline explosion south of San Francisco that killed eight people and injured dozens more.


acted with malice in the operation and maintenance of its equipment,

I think it's absurd to think anyone at PP&L [b]acted with malice.

malice
 [/b]
1 : desire to cause pain, injury, or distress to another an attack motivated by pure malice

2 : intent to commit an unlawful act or cause harm without legal justification or excuse ruined her reputation and did it with malice


It sounds to me like this State Attorney General Xavier Becerra’s  is being dramatic and just wants the spot light. In other words being political.







Pacific Gas and Electric, could face charges up to murder


Murder
is the unlawful killing of another human without justification or valid excuse, especially the unlawful killing of another human being with malice aforethought.



 I think their could be negligence and that's about it, But negligence is the magic word when it comes to lawsuits

but this kind of liability could destroy the company, but then, millions depend on them.

I don't think the company is going anywhere no matter what. Restructured, new people at the wheel etc. It's a public utility it will always exist.

You said PP&L, I think you meant PG&E (but not PGE).

It's a "public utility" in the sense it's traded on the NYSE but it's not a PUD. Just making it clear for anyone who might not know.

I could see them forced to put themselves on the auction block. They may end up there anyway if they have to pay damages from all their screw-ups. It's beginning to sound like they haven't maintained their system as well as they should. I don't know that but available information might lead one to believe it.

I could see them forced to put themselves on the auction block

Yes and they would still have all the same employees, buildings ,equipment etc.Just new people running the show.

Well, maybe a couple less employees. Someone will have to take the blame.   Razz 


That is so true.
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#9
(12-31-2018, 03:23 PM)Juniper Wrote:
(12-31-2018, 01:21 PM)Cuzz Wrote:
(12-31-2018, 01:02 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(12-31-2018, 12:50 PM)Cuzz Wrote:
(12-31-2018, 12:04 PM)tvguy Wrote: acted with malice in the operation and maintenance of its equipment,

I think it's absurd to think anyone at PP&L [b]acted with malice.

malice
 [/b]
1 : desire to cause pain, injury, or distress to another an attack motivated by pure malice

2 : intent to commit an unlawful act or cause harm without legal justification or excuse ruined her reputation and did it with malice


It sounds to me like this State Attorney General Xavier Becerra’s  is being dramatic and just wants the spot light. In other words being political.







Pacific Gas and Electric, could face charges up to murder


Murder
is the unlawful killing of another human without justification or valid excuse, especially the unlawful killing of another human being with malice aforethought.



 I think their could be negligence and that's about it, But negligence is the magic word when it comes to lawsuits

but this kind of liability could destroy the company, but then, millions depend on them.

I don't think the company is going anywhere no matter what. Restructured, new people at the wheel etc. It's a public utility it will always exist.

You said PP&L, I think you meant PG&E (but not PGE).

It's a "public utility" in the sense it's traded on the NYSE but it's not a PUD. Just making it clear for anyone who might not know.

I could see them forced to put themselves on the auction block. They may end up there anyway if they have to pay damages from all their screw-ups. It's beginning to sound like they haven't maintained their system as well as they should. I don't know that but available information might lead one to believe it.

I could see them forced to put themselves on the auction block

Yes and they would still have all the same employees, buildings ,equipment etc.Just new people running the show.

Well, maybe a couple less employees. Someone will have to take the blame.   Razz 


That is so true.
Yes but that's assuming there is some kind of negligence. Meaning PG&E was aware of trees that needed to be trimmed that were too close to power lines and did nothing about it.
That sounds like it may be the case.

I know a lot of places where the high voltage lines run through the forest they make a huge, wide swath of a clear cut.
It's a great place to hunt deer.
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