Not Murder
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(05-13-2020, 07:46 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(05-13-2020, 07:17 PM)Cuzz Wrote:
(05-13-2020, 06:36 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(05-13-2020, 04:49 PM)Cuzz Wrote:
(05-13-2020, 04:40 PM)tvguy Wrote: Scrapper.....it sounds like he just assumes that kid was causing trouble and the hillbillies were protecting their neighborhood... without actually having any REAL proof.


It might sound that way but I have never said it was a fact "that kid was causing trouble" What I am doing is doubting what is stated as a fact that Arbery was just jogging. Or that the two men were out to kill a black man just because  he was black.. BTW you called him a kid. He's 25 years old. 

But as far as "The hillbillies were protecting their neighborhood"  I don't see any reason to think otherwise.
The shooting was obviously not planned IMO

Sorry but I just have to point out that you are doubting everything about the black kid, but you don't doubt anything about the two white guys. Wonder why that might be?
I'm doubting everything about the black "KID" ??? First of all why are you using the term kid for a 25 year old? It it possible because that's what the media keeps saying? Kind of like they keep saying he was only jogging? Maybe that's true but maybe not so why is it so often stated and believed as if it was a fact?

I called him a kid because compared to me 25 yo is a kid. You can call him whatever you want. And in fact he was jogging, not walking, not sprinting, not crawling... jogging, watch the video.

What exactly am I supposed to doubt about the white guys. That they thought Arbery was a burglar? In other words I'm supposed to consider the two of them  simply wanted to shoot an innocent black man? I see no logical reason to make that assumption. I find it VERY likely their intention were good and that they overstepped their authority.

I don't know if they planned to shoot him but they brought the guns to the party so they brought that potential too. I would think that if there "intentions were good" they would have called law enforcement, that's what they're for. Personally I think they're intentions were to confront aggressively so they brought guns.

Probably had NO clue anyone at gunpoint would attack them.

Yep, creating that situation can result in unpredictable reactions.

I've given logical reasons why I doubt Arebery was only jogging. And why I think the shooting was not what the definition of murder actually is.

I didn't think too much of your reasons. And there are other charges that might apply, certainly manslaughter comes to mind.


I called him a kid because compared to me 25 yo is a kid. You can call him whatever you want. And in fact he was jogging, not walking, not sprinting, not crawling... jogging, watch the video.


FACT? So there is a difference in running and jogging Laughing Laughing  You can tell by looking? At any rate is no fact just because you say so he was exercising rather than running away from something. I'm not stating he was NOT jogging as if that was a fact. I just have doubts.

I don't know if they planned to shoot him but they brought the guns to the party so they brought that potential too.

Very true and I agree. 

I would think that if there "intentions were good" they would have called law enforcement, that's what they're for. Personally I think they're intentions were to confront aggressively so they brought guns.


I don't know for sure but I think they already knew 911 was called and the cops were coming. From the comments that seems to be the case.
And I don't know about you but if I  decided to confront a possible criminal I would take my gun. But like I said before I would never use it to try and detain someone who could be innocent .Doing so was wrong and doing so put in place the events that followed.


Yep, creating that situation can result in unpredictable reactions.
Exactly 

I didn't think too much of your reasons. And there are other charges that might apply, certainly manslaughter comes to mind.
Well that's pretty much all I have tried to say Other than there is no proof whatsoever this is a hate crime or that he was merely jogging.  Especially when he was NOT jogging al all he was clearly walking before he entered the house but when he left he ran out of that house like it was on fire.
And maybe because he saw the 911 caller on his cell phone.


I said from the beginning of this "I don't claim to know what occurred, I just don't think either of you know either."
I'll stick by that.

I was just trying to present another possible narrative that was at least as plausible from the facts that were public at the time.
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Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-11-2020, 03:31 PM
RE: Not Murder - by GPnative - 05-11-2020, 05:28 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-11-2020, 07:30 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Cuzz - 05-11-2020, 06:25 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-11-2020, 07:31 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Cuzz - 05-11-2020, 08:41 PM
RE: Not Murder - by GPnative - 05-12-2020, 08:16 AM
RE: Not Murder - by Cuzz - 05-12-2020, 08:47 AM
RE: Not Murder - by GPnative - 05-12-2020, 09:37 AM
RE: Not Murder - by Cuzz - 05-12-2020, 10:53 AM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-12-2020, 04:55 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-12-2020, 04:48 PM
RE: Not Murder - by chuck white - 05-12-2020, 06:37 PM
RE: Not Murder - by GPnative - 05-12-2020, 07:41 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-13-2020, 04:05 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-12-2020, 05:08 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Cuzz - 05-12-2020, 06:49 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-11-2020, 07:38 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Scrapper - 05-11-2020, 07:58 PM
RE: Not Murder - by chuck white - 05-11-2020, 08:37 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Cuzz - 05-11-2020, 08:43 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-12-2020, 04:45 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Cuzz - 05-12-2020, 06:55 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-12-2020, 04:44 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-12-2020, 04:59 PM
RE: Not Murder - by chuck white - 05-12-2020, 06:34 PM
Not Murder - by Scrapper - 05-12-2020, 08:11 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-13-2020, 04:29 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Scrapper - 05-12-2020, 08:12 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-13-2020, 04:40 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Cuzz - 05-13-2020, 04:49 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-13-2020, 06:36 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Cuzz - 05-13-2020, 07:17 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-13-2020, 07:46 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Cuzz - 05-13-2020, 08:12 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Scrapper - 05-13-2020, 06:48 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-13-2020, 06:50 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Scrapper - 05-13-2020, 07:32 PM
RE: Not Murder - by GPnative - 05-13-2020, 07:41 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Cuzz - 05-13-2020, 08:14 PM
RE: Not Murder - by GPnative - 05-14-2020, 05:55 AM
RE: Not Murder - by Cuzz - 05-14-2020, 09:29 AM
RE: Not Murder - by GPnative - 05-14-2020, 10:53 AM
RE: Not Murder - by Cuzz - 05-14-2020, 12:22 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-14-2020, 01:49 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Juniper - 05-13-2020, 09:33 PM
RE: Not Murder - by chuck white - 05-13-2020, 09:51 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Juniper - 05-13-2020, 11:02 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Scrapper - 05-14-2020, 01:47 PM
RE: Not Murder - by GPnative - 05-14-2020, 02:56 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-14-2020, 04:44 PM
RE: Not Murder - by chuck white - 05-14-2020, 05:14 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-14-2020, 07:15 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-16-2020, 03:15 PM
RE: Not Murder - by GPnative - 05-16-2020, 04:07 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-16-2020, 04:57 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Cuzz - 05-16-2020, 06:52 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-16-2020, 09:36 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-16-2020, 09:38 PM
RE: Not Murder - by chuck white - 05-17-2020, 03:08 AM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-17-2020, 12:56 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Cuzz - 05-17-2020, 06:02 AM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-17-2020, 12:59 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Cuzz - 05-17-2020, 04:55 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-18-2020, 03:06 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Cuzz - 05-18-2020, 04:01 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-18-2020, 05:14 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Cuzz - 05-18-2020, 07:05 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Scrapper - 05-18-2020, 07:27 PM
RE: Not Murder - by chuck white - 05-18-2020, 09:30 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-18-2020, 05:17 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-16-2020, 04:55 PM
RE: Not Murder - by chuck white - 05-17-2020, 08:05 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-18-2020, 03:22 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Scrapper - 05-18-2020, 08:55 AM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-18-2020, 03:23 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Cuzz - 05-18-2020, 03:50 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-18-2020, 05:13 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Cuzz - 05-18-2020, 07:06 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-19-2020, 09:30 AM
RE: Not Murder - by Cuzz - 05-19-2020, 11:59 AM
RE: Not Murder - by Scrapper - 05-19-2020, 12:14 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-20-2020, 03:08 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Cuzz - 05-20-2020, 04:49 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-21-2020, 01:25 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Cuzz - 05-22-2020, 07:17 AM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-22-2020, 02:42 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Someones Dad - 05-19-2020, 01:04 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Cuzz - 05-19-2020, 01:55 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-20-2020, 03:10 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Scrapper - 05-20-2020, 03:22 PM
RE: Not Murder - by GPnative - 05-20-2020, 03:43 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-20-2020, 08:53 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Cuzz - 05-20-2020, 09:38 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-21-2020, 01:22 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Cuzz - 05-22-2020, 07:26 AM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-20-2020, 03:01 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-18-2020, 05:22 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-18-2020, 05:39 PM
RE: Not Murder - by GPnative - 05-18-2020, 06:34 PM
RE: Not Murder - by GPnative - 05-18-2020, 07:22 PM
Not Murder - by Scrapper - 05-20-2020, 09:40 PM
Not Murder - by Scrapper - 05-21-2020, 04:09 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Someones Dad - 05-21-2020, 05:49 PM
Not Murder - by Scrapper - 05-22-2020, 03:22 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-23-2020, 01:52 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Scrapper - 05-23-2020, 03:10 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-23-2020, 04:25 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Scrapper - 05-23-2020, 07:02 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-24-2020, 08:31 PM
RE: Not Murder - by bbqboy - 05-23-2020, 08:25 PM
Not Murder - by Scrapper - 05-23-2020, 10:20 PM
RE: Not Murder - by GPnative - 05-24-2020, 08:46 AM
RE: Not Murder - by Cuzz - 05-24-2020, 09:11 AM
RE: Not Murder - by Scrapper - 05-24-2020, 09:13 AM
RE: Not Murder - by GPnative - 05-24-2020, 09:56 AM
RE: Not Murder - by Cuzz - 05-24-2020, 11:22 AM
RE: Not Murder - by GPnative - 05-24-2020, 03:19 PM
RE: Not Murder - by bbqboy - 05-24-2020, 09:25 AM
RE: Not Murder - by Scrapper - 05-24-2020, 05:10 PM
RE: Not Murder - by GPnative - 05-24-2020, 05:23 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Scrapper - 05-24-2020, 05:39 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Scrapper - 05-24-2020, 10:04 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-25-2020, 12:04 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Someones Dad - 05-27-2020, 06:38 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-27-2020, 07:00 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Someones Dad - 05-27-2020, 07:09 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-28-2020, 03:38 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Someones Dad - 05-28-2020, 04:54 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Scrapper - 05-28-2020, 09:18 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-28-2020, 10:47 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Cuzz - 05-29-2020, 06:21 AM
RE: Not Murder - by Juniper - 05-29-2020, 10:00 AM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 05-29-2020, 01:13 PM
RE: Not Murder - by chuck white - 06-01-2020, 07:30 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Cuzz - 06-01-2020, 10:57 PM
RE: Not Murder - by GPnative - 06-02-2020, 10:02 AM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 06-02-2020, 01:08 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Cuzz - 06-02-2020, 02:37 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 06-02-2020, 04:17 PM
RE: Not Murder - by Cuzz - 06-02-2020, 04:43 PM
RE: Not Murder - by tvguy - 06-02-2020, 05:07 PM

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