06-27-2011, 08:02 PM
The country of Greece has been in the news lately because their economy, built on debt, is on the verge of default. Other countries are thought close behind them, possibly even including the U.S.
Now I like to stay up on economic news, as much as I can, even though I think most of it is based on lies anyway. But this story on France bailing out Greece is so convoluted, and complex, I can't make heads or tails out of it. Anyone here want to take a stab at it? http://news.yahoo.com/greece-debate-aust...w--;_ylv=3
Excerpt: "France offered a radical solution Monday for banks to roll over some Greek debt for 30 years as the Greek government fought for political support of its five-year austerity plan to avert bankruptcy.
With depositors fleeing Greek banks in growing numbers and financial markets watching anxiously, President Nicolas Sarkozy told a news conference in Paris that French banks had reached a draft agreement with the authorities on a voluntary rollover of maturing bonds.
"We concluded that by stretching out the loans over 30 years, putting (interest rates) at the level of European loans, plus a premium indexed to future Greek growth, that would be a system that each country could find attractive," he said.
The plan was put to a meeting of international bankers and European Union officials with the International Institute of Finance (IIF) in Rome Monday but no decision was taken, an Italian Treasury official said.
In a sign of ebbing confidence that Greece can avoid default on its 340 billion euro ($486 billion) debt mountain, Moody's said Greek banks had lost about 8 percent of private sector deposits so far this year as customers burned their savings due to unemployment, transferred funds abroad or bought gold.
French government sources said under an outline deal, banks would reinvest 70 percent of the proceeds when Greek bonds fall due in 2011-14 and cash out the rest. Of the amount reinvested, 50 percent would go into the new 30-year bonds and 20 percent would go into zero-coupon AAA bonds with deferred interest.
The new bonds would be placed in a Special Purpose Vehicle, effectively removing Greek debt from the balance sheets of participating banks, the source said. Banks would hold equity in the SPV instead.
Private banking sources said the new bonds could be guaranteed by the euro zone's rescue fund (EFSF) or the European Investment Bank.
A French government source described the solution, proposed by French bankers, as "a sort of private Brady bond without a public guarantee," referring to a 1989 swap of Latin American debt for tradable securities, some of them guaranteed, proposed by then Treasury Secretary Nicholas Brady.
German banks voiced interest in the "French model" although Deutsche Bank chief Josef Ackermann said it was only one of several solutions being considered and it was unclear whether any satisfactory proposal could be found.
"Political leaders expect a solution by the end of the week but we should not rush it," Ackermann told Reuters Television in an interview. "It is important to have a good solution. The issues are complex and need to be discussed."
REBELS PRESSED
Any new financial rescue for Athens, including official lending and private sector participation, depends on the Greek parliament approving this week a five-year austerity plan and legislation to implement structural reforms and privatization. .
"Our vote is the only chance for the country to get back on its feet," Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou told legislators at the beginning of a parliamentary debate.
Greek Finance Minister Evangelos Venizelos met ruling socialist party (PASOK) rebels in Athens to push them to toe the line in parliamentary votes Wednesday and Thursday, where a defeat could plunge the country into default.
Greece's conservative opposition has rejected calls for national unity, forcing Papandreou to rely on his slim parliamentary majority to push through a painful mix of spending cuts, tax hikes and state sell-offs. .
However with Greece stuck in deep recession, at least three PASOK deputies have expressed serious reservations or outright opposition to a plan they say will crush any hope of growth for years to come and it is unclear how the numbers will play out.
Venizelos acknowledged the plan was painful but said it would win time to negotiate more favorable terms later, an attitude which risks irritating some euro zone partners.
"The strategy is to vote on the two pieces of legislation, to be able to face the euro zone and the IMF to obtain the fifth tranche, and until the end of the summer we seriously negotiate a new loan program," he said. "That's your renegotiation."
Without parliamentary approval for the measures, which have caused a wave of strikes and demonstrations, the European Union and International Monetary Fund say they will not release the fifth tranche of the 110 billion-euro bailout agreed last year.
If the loans are not forthcoming, the Greek government, which has been shut out of financial markets because of the ruined state of its public finances, will run out of money within weeks, probably triggering a Europe-wide crisis.
"If it is Greece alone, that's already big," Deutsche Bank's Ackermann said. "But if other countries are drawn in through contagion, it could be bigger than Lehman," he said, referring to the disastrous 2008 collapse of Wall Street investment bank Lehman Bros.
PLAN B
Three euro zone sources in Brussels said EU officials were working on a contingency plan for Greece if its parliament rejects an austerity program and the country cannot receive the next installment of EU/IMF emergency loans.
The fallback plan, distinct from the French rollover ideas, involves ways to ensure Greece gets the liquidity needed to avoid default if the next aid tranche cannot be paid out by mid-July, the sources said.
An initial Greek vote on the framework austerity package is due on Wednesday, and lawmakers then vote Thursday on a separate bill containing specific steps to implement it.
Defections over the past 13 months have cut Papandreou's support in the 300-member parliament to 155 seats, meaning a handful of votes could decide the issue, which may be further complicated if one bill passes and the other does not.
In an interview with Spanish daily El Mundo Sunday, Deputy Prime Minister Theodore Pangalos said he believed the first vote would pass but he was less confident about the second implementation bill.
"That's where we may have problems," he said. "I don't know whether some of our legislators will vote against it."
Now I like to stay up on economic news, as much as I can, even though I think most of it is based on lies anyway. But this story on France bailing out Greece is so convoluted, and complex, I can't make heads or tails out of it. Anyone here want to take a stab at it? http://news.yahoo.com/greece-debate-aust...w--;_ylv=3
Excerpt: "France offered a radical solution Monday for banks to roll over some Greek debt for 30 years as the Greek government fought for political support of its five-year austerity plan to avert bankruptcy.
With depositors fleeing Greek banks in growing numbers and financial markets watching anxiously, President Nicolas Sarkozy told a news conference in Paris that French banks had reached a draft agreement with the authorities on a voluntary rollover of maturing bonds.
"We concluded that by stretching out the loans over 30 years, putting (interest rates) at the level of European loans, plus a premium indexed to future Greek growth, that would be a system that each country could find attractive," he said.
The plan was put to a meeting of international bankers and European Union officials with the International Institute of Finance (IIF) in Rome Monday but no decision was taken, an Italian Treasury official said.
In a sign of ebbing confidence that Greece can avoid default on its 340 billion euro ($486 billion) debt mountain, Moody's said Greek banks had lost about 8 percent of private sector deposits so far this year as customers burned their savings due to unemployment, transferred funds abroad or bought gold.
French government sources said under an outline deal, banks would reinvest 70 percent of the proceeds when Greek bonds fall due in 2011-14 and cash out the rest. Of the amount reinvested, 50 percent would go into the new 30-year bonds and 20 percent would go into zero-coupon AAA bonds with deferred interest.
The new bonds would be placed in a Special Purpose Vehicle, effectively removing Greek debt from the balance sheets of participating banks, the source said. Banks would hold equity in the SPV instead.
Private banking sources said the new bonds could be guaranteed by the euro zone's rescue fund (EFSF) or the European Investment Bank.
A French government source described the solution, proposed by French bankers, as "a sort of private Brady bond without a public guarantee," referring to a 1989 swap of Latin American debt for tradable securities, some of them guaranteed, proposed by then Treasury Secretary Nicholas Brady.
German banks voiced interest in the "French model" although Deutsche Bank chief Josef Ackermann said it was only one of several solutions being considered and it was unclear whether any satisfactory proposal could be found.
"Political leaders expect a solution by the end of the week but we should not rush it," Ackermann told Reuters Television in an interview. "It is important to have a good solution. The issues are complex and need to be discussed."
REBELS PRESSED
Any new financial rescue for Athens, including official lending and private sector participation, depends on the Greek parliament approving this week a five-year austerity plan and legislation to implement structural reforms and privatization. .
"Our vote is the only chance for the country to get back on its feet," Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou told legislators at the beginning of a parliamentary debate.
Greek Finance Minister Evangelos Venizelos met ruling socialist party (PASOK) rebels in Athens to push them to toe the line in parliamentary votes Wednesday and Thursday, where a defeat could plunge the country into default.
Greece's conservative opposition has rejected calls for national unity, forcing Papandreou to rely on his slim parliamentary majority to push through a painful mix of spending cuts, tax hikes and state sell-offs. .
However with Greece stuck in deep recession, at least three PASOK deputies have expressed serious reservations or outright opposition to a plan they say will crush any hope of growth for years to come and it is unclear how the numbers will play out.
Venizelos acknowledged the plan was painful but said it would win time to negotiate more favorable terms later, an attitude which risks irritating some euro zone partners.
"The strategy is to vote on the two pieces of legislation, to be able to face the euro zone and the IMF to obtain the fifth tranche, and until the end of the summer we seriously negotiate a new loan program," he said. "That's your renegotiation."
Without parliamentary approval for the measures, which have caused a wave of strikes and demonstrations, the European Union and International Monetary Fund say they will not release the fifth tranche of the 110 billion-euro bailout agreed last year.
If the loans are not forthcoming, the Greek government, which has been shut out of financial markets because of the ruined state of its public finances, will run out of money within weeks, probably triggering a Europe-wide crisis.
"If it is Greece alone, that's already big," Deutsche Bank's Ackermann said. "But if other countries are drawn in through contagion, it could be bigger than Lehman," he said, referring to the disastrous 2008 collapse of Wall Street investment bank Lehman Bros.
PLAN B
Three euro zone sources in Brussels said EU officials were working on a contingency plan for Greece if its parliament rejects an austerity program and the country cannot receive the next installment of EU/IMF emergency loans.
The fallback plan, distinct from the French rollover ideas, involves ways to ensure Greece gets the liquidity needed to avoid default if the next aid tranche cannot be paid out by mid-July, the sources said.
An initial Greek vote on the framework austerity package is due on Wednesday, and lawmakers then vote Thursday on a separate bill containing specific steps to implement it.
Defections over the past 13 months have cut Papandreou's support in the 300-member parliament to 155 seats, meaning a handful of votes could decide the issue, which may be further complicated if one bill passes and the other does not.
In an interview with Spanish daily El Mundo Sunday, Deputy Prime Minister Theodore Pangalos said he believed the first vote would pass but he was less confident about the second implementation bill.
"That's where we may have problems," he said. "I don't know whether some of our legislators will vote against it."
