A legacy of scars?
#1
Maybe it's just me but this sounds like quite a bit of exaggeration





A "threat to other forest users"

Yes you could trip over a Ramen noodle container and fall on a plastic Pepsi bottleLaughing




scattered fertilizer and pesticides and contaminated creeks that spill into fish-bearing streams


How many of these site with his stack of pictures did this actually occur? How many fertilizer and pesticides are going in to our water ways everyday from orchards or farming, or fecal matter from cattle?



"Who knows what's in these particular fertilizers?



Let me guess. Nitrogen, potassium and pot ash? who knows what's in them? how about you pick up one of the bags and read the ingredients, eh Mike?




An intense crackdown on Mexican drug cartel growing operations in Southern Oregon's hills appears to have pushed the cartels elsewhere, but they have left behind a legacy of environmental damage — and, potentially, a threat to other forest users.



Today: Cartel marijuana growing sites have left a legacy of environmental damage in Southern Oregon's forests.

Several of the 31 marijuana-growing sites busted on public lands in 2010 continue to be environmental hazards marked by hills of trash, scattered fertilizer and pesticides and contaminated creeks that spill into fish-bearing streams.

"These grow sites are a disaster for the public," Jackson County Sheriff Mike Winters said. "You can't believe what you see when you get into one."

Winters produces a thick stack of photographs taken at the gardens and spreads them out on a table.

They show filthy campsites strewn with Pepsi bottles, car batteries and countless packets of Ramen noodles.

One photo, taken near Ramsey Creek in Josephine County, shows a pile of trash that had tumbled over into the water. Junk can be seen floating downstream.

"This all flows down into our rivers," said sheriff's spokeswoman Andrea Carlson.

The trash in many of the raided gardens remains to this day; no one has gone in to clean up the sites.

Winters said 2010 was such a busy year for marijuana raids that the Southern Oregon Multi-Agency Marijuana Eradication and Reclamation team, or SOMMER — which covers Jackson, Josephine, Coos, Curry, Douglas, Klamath and Lake counties — didn't have time to haul out the garbage along with the plants.

"We were going from one grow to another," Winters said. "And there's so much trash at some of these sites that it would take a large team of guys days to haul it out. In some respects, the marijuana is easier to remove than the garbage."

The creeks are further damaged by the fertilizer haphazardly dumped around the gardens to spur growth. Some of the photos show pools and streams that have turned a unnatural shade of turquoise because of fertilizer contamination.

"Who knows what's in these particular fertilizers?" Carlson said. "And here it is entering our streams."

Winters said the campsites often come equipped with generators and propane burning stoves used to cook food. But they are most notable for the huge piles of garbage that accumulated when the camps were




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#2
Hey Cleter, you missed Cometmom? here she is in the readers comments Big Grin



[b]Darryl57
Yeah, let's pretend that this is a huge issue. Nevermind that 90% of the trees are gone because of logging and all the damage to the streams and rivers by that legal activity. This article was clearly designed to make us hate the growers because they don't practice "green" living. They will continue to grow as long as it it illegal. There will continue to be trash, destruction, gangs, violence and bad guys profitting as long as pot is illegal. So, expect to see this every single year until pot is made legal - like the founding fathers intended. Like the Constitution guarantees. Cops have better things to do than pick up trash. Don't they?
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Cometmom
Really Darryl? 90% of the trees are gone? If you are going to exaggerate, don't be so blatant.






Cometmom
How about just securing our borders? I wonder how many drug cartels operate in Canada? Now they know how to secure borders.
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#3
Heh Good Ol CM she is a trooper.
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#4
Secure those borders and help ensure high marijuana prices for domestic producers. Good job guys. At least American manufacturers got to sell them something too, they didn't import all that fertilizer, pesticides and tortilla's from Mexico. Win-win.
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(12-16-2011, 12:12 PM)tvguy Wrote: Hey Cleter, you missed Cometmom? here she is in the readers comments Big Grin



[b]Darryl57
Yeah, let's pretend that this is a huge issue. Nevermind that 90% of the trees are gone because of logging and all the damage to the streams and rivers by that legal activity. This article was clearly designed to make us hate the growers because they don't practice "green" living. They will continue to grow as long as it it illegal. There will continue to be trash, destruction, gangs, violence and bad guys profitting as long as pot is illegal. So, expect to see this every single year until pot is made legal - like the founding fathers intended. Like the Constitution guarantees. Cops have better things to do than pick up trash. Don't they?
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Cometmom
Really Darryl? 90% of the trees are gone? If you are going to exaggerate, don't be so blatant.






Cometmom
How about just securing our borders? I wonder how many drug cartels operate in Canada? Now they know how to secure borders.
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Good ole Cometmom. I sure do miss slapping her around.Razz


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(12-16-2011, 12:03 PM)tvguy Wrote: Maybe it's just me but this sounds like quite a bit of exaggeration





A "threat to other forest users"

Yes you could trip over a Ramen noodle container and fall on a plastic Pepsi bottleLaughing




scattered fertilizer and pesticides and contaminated creeks that spill into fish-bearing streams


How many of these site with his stack of pictures did this actually occur? How many fertilizer and pesticides are going in to our water ways everyday from orchards or farming, or fecal matter from cattle?



"Who knows what's in these particular fertilizers?



Let me guess. Nitrogen, potassium and pot ash? who knows what's in them? how about you pick up one of the bags and read the ingredients, eh Mike?

How can I say this tactfully? Oh hell with it, Mike Winters is full of shit.

I have come across dump sites in the forest that have bags of household trash, appliances, tires, furniture and other crap that has nothing to do with illegal pot growing and seldom heard a peep about it. I have seen aerosol cans, paint cans, and other household chemical products that would make the plastic bottles and Top Ramen wrappers look like just little litter at a kids playground.

Mike Winters is a big fat idiot!Smiling
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#7
When the Drug War ends, shave the loser's heads and throw them in the whore cart.
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#8
Where do whores ride when their carts are full of losers with shaved heads instead? Smiling
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#9
Well Mr Winters, If you would announce that you would no longer go after cultivation on private land, perhaps they would stay out of the forest. The laws which you so much support are the root cause of the problem.
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#10
Not a problem for Winters and his pack. Where else can you make the kind of money they make, with a forged GED? And where is the money better than drugs? K-9 teams. Narcs. Fat alcoholic rehabbers. The freaks are in charge of the carnival. And, they are freaks. Too lazy to attend to their studies in school, they are suddenly anxious to show us they were smarter than we thought.
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#11
Keep us afraid, keep more of our tax dollars rolling his way in the form of grants. Think of all the cool SWAT gear and big rigs we've bought them to play "war".
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#12
Every sunken eyed racist in this valley will be armed soon.
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#13
And Mexicans in military outfits will being arming their liberal comrades.
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(12-17-2011, 11:51 AM)illcommandante Wrote: Every sunken eyed racist in this valley will be armed soon.

Wow sunken eyed racists, whore carts and forged GED's. Dude STFU already you loon.

Note, this is the part where someone is obliged to chime in and talk about how interesting this freaking tired ass garbage is Laughing
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(12-17-2011, 02:57 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(12-17-2011, 11:51 AM)illcommandante Wrote: Every sunken eyed racist in this valley will be armed soon.

Wow sunken eyed racists, whore carts and forged GED's. Dude STFU already you loon.

Note, this is the part where someone is obliged to chime in and talk about how interesting this freaking tired ass garbage is Laughing

Or tell you to ignore him. Blink
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(12-17-2011, 03:15 PM)Scrapper Wrote:
(12-17-2011, 02:57 PM)tvguy Wrote:
(12-17-2011, 11:51 AM)illcommandante Wrote: Every sunken eyed racist in this valley will be armed soon.

Wow sunken eyed racists, whore carts and forged GED's. Dude STFU already you loon.

Note, this is the part where someone is obliged to chime in and talk about how interesting this freaking tired ass garbage is Laughing

Or tell you to ignore him. Blink

I do ignore him, usually. He actually can be interesting though. If he wants to but when he's stuck on his same old loony delusion it gets really old.
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#17
(12-17-2011, 03:22 PM)tvguy Wrote: I do ignore him, usually. He actually can be interesting though. If he wants to but when he's stuck on his same old loony delusion it gets really old.

Right back at ya! Razz
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