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#21
MSNBC had some interesting commentary of Hoffa's comment and Obama's refusal to comment on it this morning. May be the first time I actually agree with them.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789//vp/...4#44405764
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#22
(09-06-2011, 10:06 AM)cletus1 Wrote:
(09-06-2011, 09:54 AM)tornado Wrote:
(09-06-2011, 09:39 AM)cletus1 Wrote:
(09-06-2011, 09:28 AM)tornado Wrote:
(09-06-2011, 08:56 AM)cletus1 Wrote: Ah, but I was speaking generally that is why I used the plural "idiots" as opposed to "idiot." And Republicans, twits, hypocrites etc. You used the term son of a bitch. If you want to own my assessment all by yourself go ahead. BTW, do you plan to get on Medicare or collect Social Security when you're eligible? Inquiring minds and all that.
Is social security an option? Can one just drop out of it at will? I did not know that. How did you go about it?
Are you stupid? What are you taking about dropping out of it for. If you are insinuating that you would drop out if you could, simply dont apply for benefits or donate the money to charity. Do you intend to not participate in Medicare too, Mr I hate socialism?

I'll let you decide how stupid I am. The point is, I am not given a choice to participate in SS. So you point is meaningless. I also thought medicare was also a mandatory program once a person began collecting retirement benefits. I participation in these govt. programs is optional, I'd like to opt out.

I've notice it is quite easy to get you upset and run off at the mouth with name calling. That is quite becoming. You children must admire you.
You lie to quote a Republican congressman some of you folks admire. You expect me to believe that you will pay your own medical expenses when you are over 65 years old living on a retirement, probably the social security benefits you cant figure out how to opt out of. Are you a millionaire? :wacko:
I see I'm dealing with a child. Now I'm a lying wacko. Here are some facts:http://www.ssa.gov/history/InternetMyths.html

FAQs
Debunking Some Internet Myths





(See also, MYTHS AND MISINFORMATION ABOUT SOCIAL SECURITY- Part 2)



MYTHS AND MISINFORMATION ABOUT SOCIAL SECURITY

Myths and misstatements of fact frequently circulate on the Internet, in email and on websites, and are repeated in endless loops of misinformation. One common set of such misinformation involves the history of the Social Security system.

One Common Form of the Myths:

"Franklin Roosevelt introduced the Social Security (FICA) program. He promised:

1) That participation in the program would be completely voluntary;
2) That the participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400 of their annual incomes into the program;
3) That the money the participants elected to put into the program would be deductible from their income for tax purposes each year;
4) That the money the participants paid in would be put into the independent "Trust Fund," rather than into the General operating fund, and therefore, would only be used to fund the Social Security Retirement program, and no other Government program.;
5) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as income."



CORRECTING THE MYTHS AND MISSTATEMENTS

Myth 1: President Roosevelt promised that participation in the program would be completely voluntary

Persons working in employment covered by Social Security are subject to the FICA payroll tax. Like all taxes, this has never been voluntary. From the first days of the program to the present, anyone working on a job covered by Social Security has been obligated to pay their payroll taxes.

In the early years of the program, however, only about half the jobs in the economy were covered by Social Security. Thus one could work in non-covered employment and not have to pay FICA taxes (and of course, one would not be eligible to collect a future Social Security benefit). In that indirect sense, participation in Social Security was voluntary. However, if a job was covered, or became covered by subsequent law, then if a person worked at that job, participation in Social Security was mandatory.

There have only been a handful of exceptions to this rule, generally involving persons working for state/local governments. Under certain conditions, employees of state/local governments have been able to voluntarily choose to have their employment covered or not covered.


Myth 2: President Roosevelt promised that the participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400 of their annual incomes into the program

The tax rate in the original 1935 law was 1% each on the employer and the employee, on the first $3,000 of earnings. This rate was increased on a regular schedule in four steps so that by 1949 the rate would be 3% each on the first $3,000. The figure was never $,1400, and the rate was never fixed for all time at 1%.

(The text of the 1935 law and the tax rate schedule can be found elsewhere on our website.)

Myth 3: President Roosevelt promised that the money the participants elected to put into the program would be deductible from their income for tax purposes each year

There was never any provision of law making the Social Security taxes paid by employees deductible for income tax purposes. In fact, the 1935 law expressly forbid this idea, in Section 803 of Title VIII.

(The text of Title VIII. can be found elsewhere on our website.)


Myth 4: President Roosevelt promised that the money the participants paid would be put into the independent "Trust Fund," rather than into the General operating fund, and therefore, would only be used to fund the Social Security Retirement program, and no other Government program

The idea here is basically correct. However, this statement is usually joined to a second statement to the effect that this principle was violated by subsequent Administrations. However, there has never been any change in the way the Social Security program is financed or the way that Social Security payroll taxes are used by the federal government.

The Social Security Trust Fund was created in 1939 as part of the Amendments enacted in that year. From its inception, the Trust Fund has always worked the same way. The Social Security Trust Fund has never been "put into the general fund of the government."

Most likely this myth comes from a confusion between the financing of the Social Security program and the way the Social Security Trust Fund is treated in federal budget accounting. Starting in 1969 (due to action by the Johnson Administration in 1968) the transactions to the Trust Fund were included in what is known as the "unified budget." This means that every function of the federal government is included in a single budget. This is sometimes described by saying that the Social Security Trust Funds are "on-budget." This budget treatment of the Social Security Trust Fund continued until 1990 when the Trust Funds were again taken "off-budget." This means only that they are shown as a separate account in the federal budget. But whether the Trust Funds are "on-budget" or "off-budget" is primarily a question of accounting practices--it has no affect on the actual operations of the Trust Fund itself.


Myth 5: President Roosevelt promised that the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as income

Originally, Social Security benefits were not taxable income. This was not, however, a provision of the law, nor anything that President Roosevelt did or could have "promised." It was the result of a series of administrative rulings issued by the Treasury Department in the early years of the program. (The Treasury rulings can be found elsewhere on our website.)

In 1983 Congress changed the law by specifically authorizing the taxation of Social Security benefits. This was part of the 1983 Amendments, and this law overrode the earlier administrative rulings from the Treasury Department. (A detailed explanation of the 1983 Amendments can be found elsewhere on our website.)


Yours truly,
A lying wacko millionaire not bothered by inane insults.

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#23
"If you object to unfair treatment, you’re an ingrate. If you seek equity and fair consideration, you’re uppity. If you demand union security, you’re un-American. If you rebel against repressive management tactics, they will lynch and scalp you. But if you are passive and patient, they will take advantage of both."
—Congressman William Clay Sr.
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#24
(09-06-2011, 10:56 AM)tornado Wrote:
(09-06-2011, 10:06 AM)cletus1 Wrote:
(09-06-2011, 09:54 AM)tornado Wrote:
(09-06-2011, 09:39 AM)cletus1 Wrote:
(09-06-2011, 09:28 AM)tornado Wrote: Is social security an option? Can one just drop out of it at will? I did not know that. How did you go about it?
Are you stupid? What are you taking about dropping out of it for. If you are insinuating that you would drop out if you could, simply dont apply for benefits or donate the money to charity. Do you intend to not participate in Medicare too, Mr I hate socialism?

I'll let you decide how stupid I am. The point is, I am not given a choice to participate in SS. So you point is meaningless. I also thought medicare was also a mandatory program once a person began collecting retirement benefits. I participation in these govt. programs is optional, I'd like to opt out.

I've notice it is quite easy to get you upset and run off at the mouth with name calling. That is quite becoming. You children must admire you.
You lie to quote a Republican congressman some of you folks admire. You expect me to believe that you will pay your own medical expenses when you are over 65 years old living on a retirement, probably the social security benefits you cant figure out how to opt out of. Are you a millionaire? :wacko:
I see I'm dealing with a child. Now I'm a lying wacko. Here are some facts:http://www.ssa.gov/history/InternetMyths.html

FAQs
Debunking Some Internet Myths





(See also, MYTHS AND MISINFORMATION ABOUT SOCIAL SECURITY- Part 2)



MYTHS AND MISINFORMATION ABOUT SOCIAL SECURITY

Myths and misstatements of fact frequently circulate on the Internet, in email and on websites, and are repeated in endless loops of misinformation. One common set of such misinformation involves the history of the Social Security system.

One Common Form of the Myths:

"Franklin Roosevelt introduced the Social Security (FICA) program. He promised:

1) That participation in the program would be completely voluntary;
2) That the participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400 of their annual incomes into the program;
3) That the money the participants elected to put into the program would be deductible from their income for tax purposes each year;
4) That the money the participants paid in would be put into the independent "Trust Fund," rather than into the General operating fund, and therefore, would only be used to fund the Social Security Retirement program, and no other Government program.;
5) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as income."



CORRECTING THE MYTHS AND MISSTATEMENTS

Myth 1: President Roosevelt promised that participation in the program would be completely voluntary

Persons working in employment covered by Social Security are subject to the FICA payroll tax. Like all taxes, this has never been voluntary. From the first days of the program to the present, anyone working on a job covered by Social Security has been obligated to pay their payroll taxes.

In the early years of the program, however, only about half the jobs in the economy were covered by Social Security. Thus one could work in non-covered employment and not have to pay FICA taxes (and of course, one would not be eligible to collect a future Social Security benefit). In that indirect sense, participation in Social Security was voluntary. However, if a job was covered, or became covered by subsequent law, then if a person worked at that job, participation in Social Security was mandatory.

There have only been a handful of exceptions to this rule, generally involving persons working for state/local governments. Under certain conditions, employees of state/local governments have been able to voluntarily choose to have their employment covered or not covered.


Myth 2: President Roosevelt promised that the participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400 of their annual incomes into the program

The tax rate in the original 1935 law was 1% each on the employer and the employee, on the first $3,000 of earnings. This rate was increased on a regular schedule in four steps so that by 1949 the rate would be 3% each on the first $3,000. The figure was never $,1400, and the rate was never fixed for all time at 1%.

(The text of the 1935 law and the tax rate schedule can be found elsewhere on our website.)

Myth 3: President Roosevelt promised that the money the participants elected to put into the program would be deductible from their income for tax purposes each year

There was never any provision of law making the Social Security taxes paid by employees deductible for income tax purposes. In fact, the 1935 law expressly forbid this idea, in Section 803 of Title VIII.

(The text of Title VIII. can be found elsewhere on our website.)


Myth 4: President Roosevelt promised that the money the participants paid would be put into the independent "Trust Fund," rather than into the General operating fund, and therefore, would only be used to fund the Social Security Retirement program, and no other Government program

The idea here is basically correct. However, this statement is usually joined to a second statement to the effect that this principle was violated by subsequent Administrations. However, there has never been any change in the way the Social Security program is financed or the way that Social Security payroll taxes are used by the federal government.

The Social Security Trust Fund was created in 1939 as part of the Amendments enacted in that year. From its inception, the Trust Fund has always worked the same way. The Social Security Trust Fund has never been "put into the general fund of the government."

Most likely this myth comes from a confusion between the financing of the Social Security program and the way the Social Security Trust Fund is treated in federal budget accounting. Starting in 1969 (due to action by the Johnson Administration in 1968) the transactions to the Trust Fund were included in what is known as the "unified budget." This means that every function of the federal government is included in a single budget. This is sometimes described by saying that the Social Security Trust Funds are "on-budget." This budget treatment of the Social Security Trust Fund continued until 1990 when the Trust Funds were again taken "off-budget." This means only that they are shown as a separate account in the federal budget. But whether the Trust Funds are "on-budget" or "off-budget" is primarily a question of accounting practices--it has no affect on the actual operations of the Trust Fund itself.


Myth 5: President Roosevelt promised that the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as income

Originally, Social Security benefits were not taxable income. This was not, however, a provision of the law, nor anything that President Roosevelt did or could have "promised." It was the result of a series of administrative rulings issued by the Treasury Department in the early years of the program. (The Treasury rulings can be found elsewhere on our website.)

In 1983 Congress changed the law by specifically authorizing the taxation of Social Security benefits. This was part of the 1983 Amendments, and this law overrode the earlier administrative rulings from the Treasury Department. (A detailed explanation of the 1983 Amendments can be found elsewhere on our website.)


Yours truly,
A lying wacko millionaire not bothered by inane insults.

Oh dear, now you've done it. I asked you if you were going to participate is the socialism that you denounce, and what do I get? First you tell fibs now you have the audacity to post some Internet stuff on why social security is baaaaaad. What shall I do with you? You are too much for me. Change the channel my friend and think for yourself.
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#25
(09-06-2011, 09:32 PM)cletus1 Wrote:
(09-06-2011, 10:56 AM)tornado Wrote:
(09-06-2011, 10:06 AM)cletus1 Wrote:
(09-06-2011, 09:54 AM)tornado Wrote:
(09-06-2011, 09:39 AM)cletus1 Wrote: Are you stupid? What are you taking about dropping out of it for. If you are insinuating that you would drop out if you could, simply dont apply for benefits or donate the money to charity. Do you intend to not participate in Medicare too, Mr I hate socialism?

I'll let you decide how stupid I am. The point is, I am not given a choice to participate in SS. So you point is meaningless. I also thought medicare was also a mandatory program once a person began collecting retirement benefits. I participation in these govt. programs is optional, I'd like to opt out.

I've notice it is quite easy to get you upset and run off at the mouth with name calling. That is quite becoming. You children must admire you.
You lie to quote a Republican congressman some of you folks admire. You expect me to believe that you will pay your own medical expenses when you are over 65 years old living on a retirement, probably the social security benefits you cant figure out how to opt out of. Are you a millionaire? :wacko:
I see I'm dealing with a child. Now I'm a lying wacko. Here are some facts:http://www.ssa.gov/history/InternetMyths.html

FAQs
Debunking Some Internet Myths





(See also, MYTHS AND MISINFORMATION ABOUT SOCIAL SECURITY- Part 2)



MYTHS AND MISINFORMATION ABOUT SOCIAL SECURITY

Myths and misstatements of fact frequently circulate on the Internet, in email and on websites, and are repeated in endless loops of misinformation. One common set of such misinformation involves the history of the Social Security system.

One Common Form of the Myths:

"Franklin Roosevelt introduced the Social Security (FICA) program. He promised:

1) That participation in the program would be completely voluntary;
2) That the participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400 of their annual incomes into the program;
3) That the money the participants elected to put into the program would be deductible from their income for tax purposes each year;
4) That the money the participants paid in would be put into the independent "Trust Fund," rather than into the General operating fund, and therefore, would only be used to fund the Social Security Retirement program, and no other Government program.;
5) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as income."



CORRECTING THE MYTHS AND MISSTATEMENTS

Myth 1: President Roosevelt promised that participation in the program would be completely voluntary

Persons working in employment covered by Social Security are subject to the FICA payroll tax. Like all taxes, this has never been voluntary. From the first days of the program to the present, anyone working on a job covered by Social Security has been obligated to pay their payroll taxes.

In the early years of the program, however, only about half the jobs in the economy were covered by Social Security. Thus one could work in non-covered employment and not have to pay FICA taxes (and of course, one would not be eligible to collect a future Social Security benefit). In that indirect sense, participation in Social Security was voluntary. However, if a job was covered, or became covered by subsequent law, then if a person worked at that job, participation in Social Security was mandatory.

There have only been a handful of exceptions to this rule, generally involving persons working for state/local governments. Under certain conditions, employees of state/local governments have been able to voluntarily choose to have their employment covered or not covered.


Myth 2: President Roosevelt promised that the participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400 of their annual incomes into the program

The tax rate in the original 1935 law was 1% each on the employer and the employee, on the first $3,000 of earnings. This rate was increased on a regular schedule in four steps so that by 1949 the rate would be 3% each on the first $3,000. The figure was never $,1400, and the rate was never fixed for all time at 1%.

(The text of the 1935 law and the tax rate schedule can be found elsewhere on our website.)

Myth 3: President Roosevelt promised that the money the participants elected to put into the program would be deductible from their income for tax purposes each year

There was never any provision of law making the Social Security taxes paid by employees deductible for income tax purposes. In fact, the 1935 law expressly forbid this idea, in Section 803 of Title VIII.

(The text of Title VIII. can be found elsewhere on our website.)


Myth 4: President Roosevelt promised that the money the participants paid would be put into the independent "Trust Fund," rather than into the General operating fund, and therefore, would only be used to fund the Social Security Retirement program, and no other Government program

The idea here is basically correct. However, this statement is usually joined to a second statement to the effect that this principle was violated by subsequent Administrations. However, there has never been any change in the way the Social Security program is financed or the way that Social Security payroll taxes are used by the federal government.

The Social Security Trust Fund was created in 1939 as part of the Amendments enacted in that year. From its inception, the Trust Fund has always worked the same way. The Social Security Trust Fund has never been "put into the general fund of the government."

Most likely this myth comes from a confusion between the financing of the Social Security program and the way the Social Security Trust Fund is treated in federal budget accounting. Starting in 1969 (due to action by the Johnson Administration in 1968) the transactions to the Trust Fund were included in what is known as the "unified budget." This means that every function of the federal government is included in a single budget. This is sometimes described by saying that the Social Security Trust Funds are "on-budget." This budget treatment of the Social Security Trust Fund continued until 1990 when the Trust Funds were again taken "off-budget." This means only that they are shown as a separate account in the federal budget. But whether the Trust Funds are "on-budget" or "off-budget" is primarily a question of accounting practices--it has no affect on the actual operations of the Trust Fund itself.


Myth 5: President Roosevelt promised that the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as income

Originally, Social Security benefits were not taxable income. This was not, however, a provision of the law, nor anything that President Roosevelt did or could have "promised." It was the result of a series of administrative rulings issued by the Treasury Department in the early years of the program. (The Treasury rulings can be found elsewhere on our website.)

In 1983 Congress changed the law by specifically authorizing the taxation of Social Security benefits. This was part of the 1983 Amendments, and this law overrode the earlier administrative rulings from the Treasury Department. (A detailed explanation of the 1983 Amendments can be found elsewhere on our website.)


Yours truly,
A lying wacko millionaire not bothered by inane insults.

Oh dear, now you've done it. I asked you if you were going to participate is the socialism that you denounce, and what do I get? First you tell fibs now you have the audacity to post some Internet stuff on why social security is baaaaaad. What shall I do with you? You are too much for me. Change the channel my friend and think for yourself.

Won't your feeble mind allow you to stop hijacking this thread. You never once replied to the topic. How do you expect people to take you seriously?
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#26
(09-06-2011, 09:56 PM)tornado Wrote: Won't your feeble mind allow you to stop hijacking this thread. You never once replied to the topic. How do you expect people to take you seriously?
What are you looking for, my view of the tea Party? I recently shared that view on the Tea Party thread. Here it is again in a condensed version. I think most of them are misguided shallow minded fools. They are extreme lunatics. I would rather listen to baboons screeching at each other then their nonsense.

You know, less government except to intrude in the private lives of Americans, support for big business over the American worker, economic policies that would ruin our economy, rejecting compromise for political reasons. They dont give a shit about the American worker. They are fucking idiots.
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#27
Come on you two , settle down now.
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#28
(09-06-2011, 10:22 PM)Yeshuah Hamashiach Wrote: Come on you two , settle down now.
Is that all you have to contribute? Start a new thread on civility. I'm seeking comments about the topic. You do understand, don't you?

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#29
So do so without saying he has a feeble mind and you would be AOK. It's OK to confront someone , & or turn it into a little humor to help with the task , just try to be smooth man . Take a look at that Kill teaparty Zombie game . The left is turning violent , time for those who can to step aside from the emotion. Rise above it.
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#30
(09-06-2011, 10:53 PM)Yeshuah Hamashiach Wrote: So do so without saying he has a feeble mind and you would be AOK. It's OK to confront someone , & or turn it into a little humor to help with the task , just try to be smooth man . Take a look at that Kill teaparty Zombie game . The left is turning violent , time for those who can to step aside from the emotion. Rise above it.

Hey.

You should say "Don't surrender to Socialism." Then tell Cletus ... well ... you don't have to tell him anything.

Captain, I have a lot of popcorn man.

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#31
Cletus would be much happier if he retired from politics and returned to the Lord's table . Lots of goodies are being prepared to be set on it.

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#32
My first political act involved un acha. I got my first corrido for that. I was still in an American uniform.
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