Oregon's Governor Kitzhaber will allow no more executions
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It's always nice to see those little ways society is gradually becoming a kinder and better place: http://news.yahoo.com/oregon-governor-sa...3QD;_ylv=3

Excerpt: "Oregon's Democratic Governor John Kitzhaber said on Tuesday he would allow no more executions in the state on his watch because he believed the death penalty was "morally wrong."

The move, by a man who is also a former emergency room physician, effectively halts the planned execution of convicted killer Gary Haugen, who was scheduled to die by lethal injection on December 6.

"It is time for Oregon to consider a different approach," Kitzhaber said in a statement. "I refuse to be a part of this compromised and inequitable system any longer; and I will not allow further executions while I am governor."

The move marks the latest salvo in a long-running battle over the death penalty in America, where support for capital punishment has long been viewed as a benchmark of toughness for politicians running for office.

Sixteen states and the District of Columbia have no death penalty, and there has been a gradual trend away from capital punishment in the country with the number of executions falling slightly in recent years. Illinois' governor signed a law abolishing the death penalty earlier this year.

Kitzhaber, who announced the move a day after the state's Supreme Court cleared the way for Haugen's execution, said Oregon had carried out two executions in the last 49 years, both during his first administration as governor.

He said he allowed the executions to go forward in 1996 and 1997 because he was torn between a personal opposition to the death penalty and his oath to uphold the Oregon constitution.

"They were the most agonizing and difficult decisions I have made as governor and I have revisited and questioned them over and over again over the past 14 years," Kitzhaber said.

"I do not believe that those executions made us safer and certainly they did not make us nobler as a society," he said. "And I simply cannot participate once again in something I believe to be morally wrong..."
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#2
In this particular case, the guy WANTS to die. He has waived all future appeals and admits he should not live.

The Governor was correct in his previous incarnation, to uphold the Oregon Constitution and law. He is now in violation of his sworn duty to the people of Oregon.
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#3
I'm sure the next governor can proceed with it if he wants. And, surely Kitzhaber must have had legal counsel that advised him on this too?

Edit: In another news story, Kitzhaber says he has constitutional authority to make this decision, and nobody seems to be arguing that with him either: http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northw...all_e.html

There's 200+ comments on this story, and I only read the first pages worth, but interestingly, several people were saying why give a murderer what he wants? They seem to think letting him rot in prison has more punishment value than offing him just because that's what he'd prefer.
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#4
I just think we need to be encouraging all politicians to stand by their moral code more often-- of course, given that most don't have one......
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#5
Kitzhaber is just touching base with us libs, while he loads our forests onto The Ford's trucks.
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(11-23-2011, 07:11 AM)Larry Wrote: In this particular case, the guy WANTS to die. He has waived all future appeals and admits he should not live.

The Governor was correct in his previous incarnation, to uphold the Oregon Constitution and law. He is now in violation of his sworn duty to the people of Oregon.

No, the guy has never said he wants to die. They guy said he would volunteer to die in protest of the inequality in the application of the death penalty in Oregon.

Oregon's Constitutional law grants the Governor the power to do just what he did.

Nice try, but one does not get to make up one's own facts, only one's own opinions.
You are 0 for 2. Next red herring argument?
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#7
Too bad the gov/doc has no mercy on the unborn. Do no harm Kitzhaber is a two-faced hypocrite.
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(11-23-2011, 10:03 AM)tornado Wrote: Too bad the gov/doc has no mercy on the unborn. Do no harm Kitzhaber is a two-faced hypocrite.

Fail!
This is an illegitimate argument. Abortion is not a state's issue. It is a Federal issue.
Whine to your national delegation.

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#9
Besides, many would argue it's more merciful to terminate an unwanted pregnancy, from the childs perspective, the mothers perspective, and probably society and the earths perspective as well.
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#10
The Death Penalty is expensive. Better we should save millions of dollars in legal fees and let the convicted spend the remainder of their lives pondering their fate.
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(11-23-2011, 10:15 AM)PonderThis Wrote: Besides, many would argue it's more merciful to terminate an unwanted pregnancy, from the childs perspective, the mothers perspective, and probably society and the earths perspective as well.
How would you know the perspective of an aborted baby? You wouldn't. Merciful? You don't know the meaning of the word.

What do you think God's perspective is?
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(11-23-2011, 10:03 AM)tornado Wrote: Too bad the gov/doc has no mercy on the unborn. Do no harm Kitzhaber is a two-faced hypocrite.

BTW, how many unwanted babies have you adopted and are currently supporting and raising until they reach adulthood?
A little off topic, but you brought it up and I am curious to know just how far your "mercy" for life really extends.

And, rather than an unmerciful personal attack as you have displayed above, how about we stick to issues, rather than proclaiming what one another might or might not recognize? It's the merciful way to debate, and it is the will of owner of this site. Will you follow the will of the site administrator and owner?
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(11-23-2011, 10:33 AM)tornado Wrote: What do you think God's perspective is?

Laughing Laughing Laughing
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(11-23-2011, 10:35 AM)gapper Wrote:
(11-23-2011, 10:03 AM)tornado Wrote: Too bad the gov/doc has no mercy on the unborn. Do no harm Kitzhaber is a two-faced hypocrite.

BTW, how many unwanted babies have you adopted and are currently supporting and raising until they reach adulthood?
A little off topic, but you brought it up and I am curious to know just how far your "mercy" for life really extends.

And, rather than an unmerciful personal attack as you have displayed above, how about we stick to issues, rather than proclaiming what one another might or might not recognize? It's the merciful way to debate, and it is the will of owner of this site. Will you follow the will of the site administrator and owner?
BTW how many babies have you aborted?
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(11-23-2011, 11:50 AM)tornado Wrote:
(11-23-2011, 10:35 AM)gapper Wrote:
(11-23-2011, 10:03 AM)tornado Wrote: Too bad the gov/doc has no mercy on the unborn. Do no harm Kitzhaber is a two-faced hypocrite.

BTW, how many unwanted babies have you adopted and are currently supporting and raising until they reach adulthood?
A little off topic, but you brought it up and I am curious to know just how far your "mercy" for life really extends.

And, rather than an unmerciful personal attack as you have displayed above, how about we stick to issues, rather than proclaiming what one another might or might not recognize? It's the merciful way to debate, and it is the will of owner of this site. Will you follow the will of the site administrator and owner?
BTW how many babies have you aborted?

None.

Now care to have show the graciousness of answering my question, rather than simply ignoring it?

I understand your question must important to you, so I answered it.

Your turn now.

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#16
Thank you, Governor Kitzhaber.
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(11-23-2011, 11:50 AM)tornado Wrote:
(11-23-2011, 10:35 AM)gapper Wrote:
(11-23-2011, 10:03 AM)tornado Wrote: Too bad the gov/doc has no mercy on the unborn. Do no harm Kitzhaber is a two-faced hypocrite.

BTW, how many unwanted babies have you adopted and are currently supporting and raising until they reach adulthood?
A little off topic, but you brought it up and I am curious to know just how far your "mercy" for life really extends.

And, rather than an unmerciful personal attack as you have displayed above, how about we stick to issues, rather than proclaiming what one another might or might not recognize? It's the merciful way to debate, and it is the will of owner of this site. Will you follow the will of the site administrator and owner?
BTW how many babies have you aborted?
psst, Toranado down here.








Gary Haugen was once a fetus.
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#18
OH great, I got to keep feeding and housing these guys, They should throw their ass out in the street and tell theme to get a job.
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(11-23-2011, 11:54 AM)gapper Wrote:
(11-23-2011, 11:50 AM)tornado Wrote:
(11-23-2011, 10:35 AM)gapper Wrote:
(11-23-2011, 10:03 AM)tornado Wrote: Too bad the gov/doc has no mercy on the unborn. Do no harm Kitzhaber is a two-faced hypocrite.

BTW, how many unwanted babies have you adopted and are currently supporting and raising until they reach adulthood?
A little off topic, but you brought it up and I am curious to know just how far your "mercy" for life really extends.

And, rather than an unmerciful personal attack as you have displayed above, how about we stick to issues, rather than proclaiming what one another might or might not recognize? It's the merciful way to debate, and it is the will of owner of this site. Will you follow the will of the site administrator and owner?
BTW how many babies have you aborted?

None.

Now care to have show the graciousness of answering my question, rather than simply ignoring it?

I understand your question must important to you, so I answered it.

Your turn now.
There happens to be a shortage of unwanted babies.
Besides, I raised my own four, and that was enough. There are thousands of folks, not able to conceive. God is sending the babies to those folks.

http://encyclopedia.adoption.com/entry/b.../54/1.html

Because the number of people interested in adopting infants from the United States and Canada exceeds the number of infants in need of adoption, experts have called this problem a "baby shortage."

An estimated one million childless couples in the U.S. under age 44 actively seek to create a pregnancy by visiting infertility specialists; however, it is unknown precisely how many infertile couples are actively interested in and pursuing adoption. The most modest estimates are 100,000. It is known, however, that some number will only be satisfied with a biological child and if they cannot have a biological child, will remain childless.
Many single women and girls are opting to parent their children rather than place them for adoption. Another important factor to consider is that the "Baby Boomers" who are infertile are attempting to adopt infants from a population of "Baby Busters" or those women now bearing children who were born from 1966-1977. (These terms are used in such publications as American Demographics as well as in the book 100 Predictions for the Baby Boom: The Next 50 Years by Cheryl Russell.)

Because there is a "Baby Boomlet" just behind the "Baby Busters," it appears likely that by the time the Busters reach the age at which they decide to adopt (generally in the late thirties), the number of infants needing adoptive families and the number of families desiring to adopt will be more in equilibrium than in the early and mid-1990s; however, many other factors could also intervene in that period as well.

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(11-23-2011, 10:33 AM)tornado Wrote:
(11-23-2011, 10:15 AM)PonderThis Wrote: Besides, many would argue it's more merciful to terminate an unwanted pregnancy, from the childs perspective, the mothers perspective, and probably society and the earths perspective as well.
How would you know the perspective of an aborted baby? You wouldn't. Merciful? You don't know the meaning of the word.

What do you think God's perspective is?
Good call, don't let him get away with using the word "mercy" when he means "convenient".
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