Too much big brother everywhere

[Simon Peter]

They already have to much power and we shouldn't be limited this way by the Gov't.

Feds shut down Amish farm for selling fresh milk
FDA wins 2-year fight after judge bars sales across state lines


The FDA has won its two-year fight to shut down an Amish farmer who was selling fresh, raw milk to eager consumers in the Washington region, after a judge this month banned Daniel Allgyer from selling his milk across state lines, and he told his customers he’ll shut his farm down altogether.

The decision has enraged Mr. Allgyer’s supporters, some of whom have been buying from him for six years and who say the government is interfering with their parental rights to feed their children. But the Food and Drug Administration, which launched a full investigation complete with a 5 a.m. surprise inspection and a straw-purchase sting operation against Mr. Allgyer’s Rainbow Acres Farm, near Lancaster, said unpasteurized milk is unsafe and said it was exercising its due authority to stop its sale from one state to another.

Adding to Mr. Allgyer’s troubles, Judge Lawrence F. Stengel said if he is found to violate the law again he will have to pay the FDA’s costs for investigating and prosecuting him

[PonderThis]

This farmer should have the right to sell unsafe milk if he wants to.

[tvguy]

This farmer should have the right to sell unsafe milk if he wants to.

Sure, like cigs. Just slap a label on the side that says it may contain Ecoli and then tax the holey crap out of it.
Pasteurization is for Sissys

[PonderThis]

Well, I meant my statement kind of facetiously. I don't really believe it should be legal for farmers to sell milk intended for human consumption that isn't safe. Pasteurization laws were enacted because people do indeed get sick from drinking unpasteurized milk, even though it happens relatively rarely.

It seems simple to me. The farmer should sell milk with labels clearly stating the milk is not intended for human consumption. Then, if consumers choose to take that risk themselves anyway, they've placed that risk appropriately. Everybody happy.

[illcommandante]

What he was selling, was milk. What you drink, isn't. But, I wouldn't trust any cow but my own.

[tvguy]

Well, I meant my statement kind of facetiously. I knew that I don't really believe it should be legal for farmers to sell milk intended for human consumption that isn't safe. Pasteurization laws were enacted because people do indeed get sick from drinking unpasteurized milk, even though it happens relatively rarely.

It seems simple to me. The farmer should sell milk with labels clearly stating the milk is not intended for human consumption. Then, if consumers choose to take that risk themselves anyway, they've placed that risk appropriately. Everybody happy.

Yep just like the cigarettes with the warning label. Almost

[PonderThis]

Gosh, we're in agreement. What won't be happening next?

[Tiamat]

This farmer should have the right to sell unsafe milk if he wants to.

Sure, like cigs. Just slap a label on the side that says it may contain Ecoli and then tax the holey crap out of it.
Pasteurization is for Sissys

For once I agree with sp. If people want raw milk, they should have the option to buy it.

Down in Cali, there was the Alta Dena Dairy; They were a Certified Raw Milk Dairy. Maybe this guy need the "Certified" standing?

[chuck white]

If they grow corporate cattle for milk, then yes Raw milk is unhealthy.

If a cow is grown on a real farm, The raw milk is fine.

[Tiamat]

If they grow corporate cattle for milk, then yes Raw milk is unhealthy.

If a cow is grown on a real farm, The raw milk is fine.

I really like Raw milk. Seems like I saw some recently. But I don't drink much milk. So, I don't think I thought the price was worth it.

[chuck white]

If they grow corporate cattle for milk, then yes Raw milk is unhealthy.

If a cow is grown on a real farm, The raw milk is fine.

I really like Raw milk. Seems like I saw some recently. But I don't drink much milk. So, I don't think I thought the price was worth it.

Compared to a 12 oz can of soda for a dollar.
So how much did you pay?

[Willie Krash]

I think the key is across state lines.
Can't pimp across state lines either and never rent hotel rooms by the hour. They'll take your Hotel away under RICO.
Maybe it has less to do with big brother and more to do with big business.

[Clone]

We kids could stand several feet away from our dad as he was milking Old Jerrs. We would open our mouth and get a direct stream straight from the teat, nice and warm still. My dad had perfect aim. That's raw milk and it's delicious.

[hillclimber]

You can still get raw milk in Oregon if you can find a farmer with less than 3 lactating cows, and he isn't already sold out..

Europe has very few restrictions on the sale of raw milk..

Somewhere, raw milk is sold for milk bathes only.. And they sell lots of it, one gallon/liter at a time.

I read these and other facts probably from the same article quoted by Simon Peter.

[illcommandante]

With a cow, I could feed a couple of pigs. Add a sack of flour, and we're getting close to cheap pizza. My friend Sam's career was milking. And, Robert Burns operated a plow.

[Tiamat]

If they grow corporate cattle for milk, then yes Raw milk is unhealthy.

If a cow is grown on a real farm, The raw milk is fine.

I really like Raw milk. Seems like I saw some recently. But I don't drink much milk. So, I don't think I thought the price was worth it.

Compared to a 12 oz can of soda for a dollar.
So how much did you pay?

Why would I do that? Anyway, I've never bought raw milk in Oregon. Back then, it was about 50% more than pasteurized. And they still delivered it to your door, which was pretty cool. That was in the 70's and early 80's.

[Willie Krash]

You can still get raw milk in Oregon if you can find a farmer with less than 3 lactating cows, and he isn't already sold out..

Europe has very few restrictions on the sale of raw milk..

Somewhere, raw milk is sold for milk bathes only.. And they sell lots of it, one gallon/liter at a time.

I read these and other facts probably from the same article quoted by Simon Peter.

Those socialist get all the choices.

[bbqboy]

socialist cows are happy cows.

[Clone]

[tvguy]

If they grow corporate cattle for milk, then yes Raw milk is unhealthy.

If a cow is grown on a real farm, The raw milk is fine.

I really like Raw milk. Seems like I saw some recently. But I don't drink much milk. So, I don't think I thought the price was worth it.

Compared to a 12 oz can of soda for a dollar.
So how much did you pay?

My 12 ounce cans of HFCS cost 18 cents each.

Anyway goat milk is better fer ya.