Is this a case of slander?
#1
I'm brand new on your forum, only having recently learned of it via a search relating Sheriff Gil Gilbertson.

So I'm reading the thread and run across this post:
http://www.roguevalleyforum.com/forum/sh...#pid190774
Quote:This post has been removed due to a Terms of Service violation.

Unless a claim like this can be substantiated with proof, this seems to cross that line, the TOS state that Slander is not permissible. Rather than flagging the post, I'm asking the question.


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#2
That's ILLC he says all kinds of stuff like that and is taken with a grain of salt.
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(04-11-2012, 12:13 PM)RogueDave Wrote: I'm brand new on your forum, only having recently learned of it via a search relating Sheriff Gil Gilbertson.

So I'm reading the thread and run across this post:
http://www.roguevalleyforum.com/forum/sh...#pid190774
Quote:This post has been removed due to a Terms of Service violation.

Unless a claim like this can be substantiated with proof, this seems to cross that line, the TOS state that Slander is not permissible. Rather than flagging the post, I'm asking the question.
It probably does qualify as slander and if I were GG I would want the admin to remove it, and I am certain that they will if you flag it.
It is generally understood here that the particular poster is either writing a pulp fiction in his head that includes names of people as they come up on the forum or else he is taking poetic license and making claims he thinks are the equivalent to what he believes happened, if that makes any sense.


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#4
Hello Dave,

I don't have your answer, but I might shed some light...

Quote:Public Officials - Public officials (such as politicians) cannot sue for defamation unless the author of the statements knew or should have known they were false.

Private Persons - Everyday people can sue for defamation and recover damages for injury done to their reputation and private lives, regardless of whether or not the author of the statements knew or should have known they were false.

Since Gilbertson is a politician, he definitely fits the first category. Thus, imo, if it can be proved that the statement is false AND the author of the statement knows the statement is false, Gilbertson has a case.

http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/ar...ation.html
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#5
Do the laws of slander apply to public elected figures? I think that pretty much goes with the position, and it seems there's some kind of forum exceptions for public figures and self-identified posters running for office both if I remember right.

edit, you beat me to it, Green.
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#6
It would take a person way more time than it is worth to go through all of the posts and report each one that Illc has made regarding things that others might find questionable in some way.
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#7
Questionable in taste? Yes.
Questionable in fact? He seems to know his subject matter pretty intimately.
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#8
I have fact checked many of his posts and found a great deal of truth. (No, I can't figure them all out). I've met him as well, and like him. I'm personally convinced he truly believes he has lived this life and is reporting things as he believes them to be true, factors I think would make for a difficult time pursuing any kind of a slander charge on a public official.

If you read his posts he's also had some forced time with the mental health authorities. That probably would make it difficult for a slander charge to stick as well.

Personally, I find Illc a gifted writer, if he does go out there once in awhile. I don't consider him any crazier than some of the other posters on here, and I've never seen any requirement for lack of being crazy or outspoken either one in order to post here. Indeed, it might be just the opposite. Smiling
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#9
But isn't dyncorp involved in kidnapping and underaged prostition?
Quote:DynCorp was exposed for having been involved in the buying and selling of young women and children. While all of this was going on, DynCorp kept the Pentagon contract to administer the smallpox and anthrax vaccines, and is now working on a plague vaccine through the Joint Vaccine Acquisition Program. Mr. Secretary, is it [the] policy of the U.S. Government to reward companies that traffic in women and little girls?"


http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/jan...candal.htm

So no, it's not slander if it's based on truth.
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#10
(04-11-2012, 12:46 PM)PonderThis Wrote: I have fact checked many of his posts and found a great deal of truth. (No, I can't figure them all out). I've met him as well, and like him. I'm personally convinced he truly believes he has lived this life and is reporting things as he believes them to be true, I think you would have a hard time pursuing any kind of a slander charge on a public official.

If you read his posts he's also had some forced time with the mental health authorities. That probably would make it difficult for a slander charge to stick as well.

Personally, I find Illc a gifted writer, if he does go out there once in awhile. I don't consider him any crazier than some of the other posters on here, and I've never seen any requirement for lack of being crazy or outspoken either one in order to post here. Indeed, it might be just the opposite. Smiling

And it's not like he has threatened anyone.
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#11
Quote: ='PonderThis' pid='191202' dateline='1334173580']
I have fact checked many of his posts and found a great deal of truth. (No, I can't figure them all out). I've met him as well, and like him. I'm personally convinced he truly believes he has lived this life and is reporting things as he believes them to be true,
Yeah well that's typical with nutburgers and sometimes what makes them dangerous.
If this person REALLY believe all this endless murder and corruption was directed at his family by crooked cops politicians and judges then I don't know how anyone could not consider him a possible threat.





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(04-11-2012, 12:52 PM)tvguy Wrote:
Quote: ='PonderThis' pid='191202' dateline='1334173580']
I have fact checked many of his posts and found a great deal of truth. (No, I can't figure them all out). I've met him as well, and like him. I'm personally convinced he truly believes he has lived this life and is reporting things as he believes them to be true,
Yeah well that's typical with nutburgers and sometimes what makes them dangerous.
If this person REALLY believe all this endless murder and corruption was directed at his family by crooked cops politicians and judges then I don't know how anyone could not consider him a possible threat.

Well, if your a crooked cop, politicians or judges.
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(04-11-2012, 12:13 PM)RogueDave Wrote: I'm brand new on your forum, only having recently learned of it via a search relating Sheriff Gil Gilbertson.

So I'm reading the thread and run across this post:
http://www.roguevalleyforum.com/forum/sh...#pid190774
Quote:This post has been removed due to a Terms of Service violation.

Unless a claim like this can be substantiated with proof, this seems to cross that line, the TOS state that Slander is not permissible. Rather than flagging the post, I'm asking the question.

Its not the first time and he has made it a crusade against our good Sheriff. Looks like he might believe it but is most likely just out to slander him as just a simple search will show.

http://www.roguevalleyforum.com/forum/sh...#pid129639
http://www.roguevalleyforum.com/forum/sh...#pid143551
http://www.roguevalleyforum.com/forum/sh...#pid184338
http://www.roguevalleyforum.com/forum/sh...#pid188960
http://www.roguevalleyforum.com/forum/sh...s#pid89128
http://www.roguevalleyforum.com/forum/sh...s#pid90890
http://www.roguevalleyforum.com/forum/sh...s#pid90902
http://www.roguevalleyforum.com/forum/sh...s#pid95399
http://www.roguevalleyforum.com/forum/sh...s#pid96498
http://www.roguevalleyforum.com/forum/sh...s#pid96634
http://www.roguevalleyforum.com/forum/sh...#pid106385
http://www.roguevalleyforum.com/forum/sh...#pid106581
http://www.roguevalleyforum.com/forum/sh...#pid121625
http://www.roguevalleyforum.com/forum/sh...#pid160267
http://www.roguevalleyforum.com/forum/sh...#pid167693
http://www.roguevalleyforum.com/forum/sh...#pid168996


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#14
Well Dave Welcome to the forum , feel free to post a thread or comment else were and make your stand . God Bless this mess. YH616 Big Grin
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(04-11-2012, 01:15 PM)Yeshuah Hamashiach Wrote: Well Dave Welcome to the forum , feel free to post a thread or comment else were and make your stand . God Bless this mess. YH616 Big Grin

Done. http://www.roguevalleyforum.com/forum/sh...#pid191240
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#16
As anyone can see, the poster is the ill commandante
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#17
(04-11-2012, 02:38 PM)tornado Wrote: As anyone can see, the poster is the ill commandante

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And this is?
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#18
(04-11-2012, 12:13 PM)RogueDave Wrote: I'm brand new on your forum, only having recently learned of it via a search relating Sheriff Gil Gilbertson.

So I'm reading the thread and run across this post:
http://www.roguevalleyforum.com/forum/sh...#pid190774
Quote:This post has been removed due to a Terms of Service violation.

Unless a claim like this can be substantiated with proof, this seems to cross that line, the TOS state that Slander is not permissible. Rather than flagging the post, I'm asking the question.


Only if you read it without considering the poster. I suggest you read the entire post history of said poster then ask yourself are you still concerned?
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#19
It's actually a good read, Some of us have talked about a book of the postings by ILLCommandant, Sometimes I don't have a clue, but a little Googling about stuff he says, leads me to believe he is very educated.
No, I don't think it's slander because Gil is a public figure. Also I would say it was up to Gil to complain, he may not feel the same about it. I'm sure he been called worse by people with a bigger exposure.
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#20
If Illc and Chuck collaborated on a book... I'd buy it!
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